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What If... OceanAir Became Avianca Brasil  
User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

That would be a good integration; The start of a new South American Mega-Airline, just lake TA or LA.


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User currently offlineAA300B From Ecuador, joined Jul 2004, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

I think Lan is going to be the best south american airline for ever


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User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

As much as I HATE STUPID LAN, that is fairly true.


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User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

I don't understand your point here, right now the most important thing is to save Avianca, I think we are hundred of years away from trying to create an airline based in Colombia trying to compete in Brazil market. The start of your new South American mega airline is too far away, maybe if Colombia, Venezuela and Ecuador could, for once in history, agree on something we could create a large airline with a heavy influence in the andean region, but I do not even dream about it.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Juan; OceanAir is part of the Sinergy Group; which is the buyer of Avianca, and wants OceanAir and AV to cooperate.


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User currently offlineAA300B From Ecuador, joined Jul 2004, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

RCS763av,

Why do you hate Lan that much???


its the best airline in south america and it also have a real good service



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User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Yes, but there is a loooong way from saving Avianca to enter Brazil market to compete.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineAA300B From Ecuador, joined Jul 2004, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

Avianca wants to enter the Brazil market???


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User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

But they already have the market, just with some advertising saying "OceanAir is now part of the most experienced airline in America, blah blah blah, fly us, fly the best", the OceanAir passengers would fly AVbrasil.


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User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

A300B; the topic states "WHAT IF...", we are just speculating.


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User currently offlineAA300B From Ecuador, joined Jul 2004, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Uuuuhhhhhh.......Ocean air????



Why is everybody ignorin me!??!??! lol



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User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

RCS763av, you have just said the way it is, just blah, blah, blah, it is not as easy as that.

BTW seems you are online right now, do you have msn messenger so we can discuss this and other topics?

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

Yea, im online, but dont have msn, my PC is kinda slow right now, so downloading is an odyssey.


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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2407 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

With the teeny tiny ops of Ocean Air, an "Avianca Brazil" would be even more ridiculous than _________.
(fill the blank with the name of any of the South American airlines that don't fly, don't have aircrafts and/or don't have routes, but they exist in the paper.)

Why is now the desire of all the airlines of the region to become LAN?
Stupid or not, Lan Chile is one of a kind! Although it would be a good time for repliying to the annoying-repetitive-none-value-added comments of RCnosecuanto "I hate stupid avianca"  Insane

Is this where you want to write AV's name on? I know is red already, but...

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I' with you, A300, maybe the people ignored you because you missed a "g" in that post!  Big grin



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User currently offlineFlyinfroggie From United States of America, joined May 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2621 times:

I could see it. It's very similar to when Texas International bought Continental... they decided to keep the Continental name for brand recognition... If I bought the second oldest airline in the world, I would definitely want to keep the name!

User currently offlineFokker50 From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

If OceanAir became AV it would not be big thing, it would only pass to the AV group, which is conformed by Helicol, and SAM. That is not a big deal for AV, this would only have 10 aircrafts more, and that's it.

cheers,
Fokker50



Bogota, the South american gateway!
User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Well, but they would enter the Brazilian market and could slowly expand.


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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2582 times:

By far one of the most stupid and ridiculous threads I've seen...



AA300B,

Why is everybody ignorin me!??!??! lol

Because you say things that nothing have to do with the thread perhaps...


I think Lan is going to be the best south american airline for ever

What does this have to do with anything?  Insane


Avianca wants to enter the Brazil market???

Where do you get that from?  Nuts


Uuuuhhhhhh.......Ocean air????

Next time, why don't you try reading a bit more about the topic you are going to reply to, maybe then you shall think twice when posting useless rubbish such as that.


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RCS763av,


As much as I HATE STUPID LAN, that is fairly true.

Watch out with those comments pal ! There are several chilean users around who may not like that sort of replies. Yet, LAN is by far the airline that's holding Latin America's name high enough.

Anyway, this whole idea of Avianca Brasil stuff is just ridiculous. OceanAir ain't no Varig nor TAM, their a small regional airline, and so far AV is alerady busy enough with their network from Colombia to be thinking in expanding to other places. Your instead getting annoying with this AVBrasil and AVPeru fuss.  Insane


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Arcano,


Why is now the desire of all the airlines of the region to become LAN?

Apart maybe from AR, who are you talking about? (In the case this comment was directed towards AV, they haven't even thought about going out of Colombia and operating based somewhere else, it's just RCS763av's fantasy)


Stupid or not, Lan Chile is one of a kind!

Absolutely.


Although it would be a good time for repliying to the annoying-repetitive-none-value-added comments of RCnosecuanto "I hate stupid avianca"

Cool way for a 28 year-old to answer to the rubbish of a 14 year-old.  Yeah sure . Agreed with the first part nevertheless.




SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Umm...the AVPeru thing was just joking SOUTHAMERICA...


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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Juanr has a good point. A trinational airline from Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela would not be a bad idea (beneficial to all, no?), and if nothing else would be easy to paint: anything with yellow, blue and red, and none of the countries are likely to be offended. As you say though, Juan, it will probably just remain a dream, unless someone takes a leaf out of TACA's book.
Slightly off topic, does anyone know why EQ has only one international destination? Surely they are overdue for expansion. Or are there issues of the "military" status of the airline?

Saludos,

XV




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User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Well...kinda weird they only fly to Cali, maybe they dont have the funds right now to open new routes.....


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User currently offlineCiro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

I had the opportunity to meet, throughout the years, a handful airline senior executives and it is really something to see how pragmatic most of them are. As much as we try to undercover some sort of hidden strategies and agendas, it is disappointing to see they just don't exist.

This is pretty much the case with the Synergy group I would say going for Avianca. They just happen to have a regional airline before jumping into a new venture. Both of them have so little in common that it is hard to visualize any sort of common synergy that can be milked off.

In the other hand, having an airline is an excellent self-promotional tool for other ventures in which the group may be looking for in Colombia. This strategy is quite common in Brazil and it works, as we already saw with Ocean Air, Vasp, Gol, Ciprioli and Passaredo!

Cheers!







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User currently offlineFokker50 From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2481 times:

But here in Colombia we have different customs for traveling by airlines. We are afraid of the low cost airlines, because some of Colombian people thinks that they are a kind of unsafety, and bad attention, so I think is hard to think that what you are naming could be for real, Ciro. Also if AV is not more of the Colombians, (or with more percentage of actions) the people will stop flying them.

Fokker50



Bogota, the South american gateway!
User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

I wont stop flying AV, this buyout was the only thing to do, or AV would have gone under, and believe me, i wouldn´t take a flight to JFK on AeroRepukeblica


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User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

Arcano: You have to start somewhere if you wanna get there...didnt LAN sart off with like 2 A/C?????


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25 SOUTHAMERICA : I wont stop flying AV Good for you. i wouldn´t take a flight to JFK on AeroRepukeblica Why not? If I had to go to JFK I'd obviously take AV (mainly b
26 RCS763av : S.America;it´s not only LAN, almost every airline starts that way. And for the experiences I've had on P5, I´d fly them to JFK only if the ticket wa
27 Fokker50 : SOUTHAMERICA, Look, I've seen you very rude in you lasts posts, in this discussion, specially with RCS763av, yes he says things that he shouldn't, but
28 Rcs763av : Thanx Fokker50, 1st, yes, my LAN comments got annoying, and 2nd, SOUTHAMERICA kept on correcting me with no reason, and for what he believed I had sai
29 Fokker50 : Because you paid for them you can say all the things you weat to, but please, don't tell more stuff about LAN Fokker50
30 Post contains images RCS763av : Yea, dunno what happened, i said rubbish bout LAN, it got really moronic. though i still hate ´em.
31 RCS763av : Anyway, even if this is the most STUPID AND RIDICULOUS thread some people have ever seen, lets go back to the topic, well, let´s see; 1 AV integrates
32 Arcano : RCS763av : It's OK if you want to hate LA, it's your right. Even, If you would say "I hate Chilean people because I think they are ugly" you would be
33 LVZXV : RCS....: I think you too would become irritated if I kept posting for example "I hate Malaysia Airlines, stupid Malaysia Airlines" etc. without ever s
34 Post contains images SOUTHAMERICA : For those who answered to me directly, please , stop being such crybabies, the thread in fact is ridiculous, if you take the time to read a bit more a
35 Ciro : Fokker50, Sorry but I did not understand what my post has to do with a low-cost carrier as you are saying. Did not get the link. Could you, please, ex
36 RCS763av : Ok, the "It didin´t work" is not that easy, but this can´t have a "but" everywhere.
37 Fokker50 : My example of the low cost airlines, is only an example of how the Colombians act when we have a new product, we (I'm talking about the people that do
38 RCS763av : I´ll personally will never stop flying AV, but common people will dislike the brazilian ownership, even if it was the last thing to do to avoid ceasi
39 Fokker50 : No, I'm talking about only for the people that will dislike that AV is now part of the synergy Group, will stop flying AV. Fokker50
40 RCS763av : I will tell you the reason why I hate LAN, from my point of view, they have a very monopolistic attitude towards the market, and compete unfairly with
41 Fokker50 : I will tell you what I think about LAN. For me is an airline with monopolistic practices, including extremely low fares, that impede the development o
42 Post contains images Arcano : I'm not about to make an economy lesson (which I could). Only a few thoughts. None company in none industry have "monopolistic behavior". The developm
43 SoAmSky : "I will tell you what I think about LAN. For me is an airline with monopolistic practices, including extremely low fares, that impede the development
44 RCS763av : Domestically, their fares are very cheap, and in order to compete SKY has to make them lower, that, makes SKY loose money in flights that are not very
45 SoAmSky : "1 AV integrates OceanAir No, it won't happen. The investment plan is going to be made under strict rules, between which you'll find that German Efrom
46 Arcano : SoAmSky: You are right, in ALL international destination, LA is the most expensive airline, why? because in most of the cases it's the best option. An
47 Fokker50 : ARCANO: I've been noticed that LAN is more cheap than AV, AR, and lots more that serve SCL. So, why do you say that is more expensive to travel LAN th
48 SoAmSky : Fokker50 From where/to what destination are you comparing that?
49 Fokker50 : BOG-SCL. In tourist class. Fokker50
50 Post contains images Arcano : Ah, ahora entiendo! Prices usually don't match depending on the departure point. Of course, BOG-SCL-BOG is oriented to Colombian passengers, so since
51 RCS763av : AV is chaper on MIA-BOG-MIA than BOG-MIA-BOG.
52 Arcano : Look SCL-BOG-SCL (in Pounds) TA £306 AV £349 LA £354
53 RCS763av : Yes, that i know, but AV´s profit was from operational revenue.
54 Post contains images JoseMEX : Not to add fuel to the fire but... What If, instead, ... Avianca became OceanAir Colombia? (It's only a joke, folks).
55 SoAmSky : "Tikets: AV-$ 200 LA-$ 179 (in american dollars)" "BOG-SCL. In tourist class. " I missed to follow this thread, but... Fokker50, I know you're joking.
56 JJMNGR : Gentlemen, this is just a "IF"... AV will not have condictions to operate inside Brazil or as a Brazilian carrier as our DAC do not allow wet lease. E
57 Fokker50 : SoAmSky: Again, this is from BOG to SCL. This are the values for a flight tiket in low demand, like in march, April, and so, in October. This are not
58 RCS763av : I tihnk AV´s $200 fare is a temporary sale.
59 Fokker50 : Yes RCS763av, finally someone can understand me!!!!! Fokker50
60 Flyinfroggie : AV is cheaper on MIA-BOG-MIA than BOG-MIA-BOG Funny how Continental is cheaper on BOG-PHL-BOG than PHL-BOG-PHL
61 RCS763av : BOG-JFK-BOG on AV, $535 JFK-BOG-JFK, $475
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