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Engine Cowling Falls Off Of AirTran Flight operated by Ryanair Int  
User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13530 times:

An A320 operated by Ryan Air lost the cowling and had to return to ATL on 7/12/04. Police in Union City later found the part.

Does this happen often???


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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13210 times:

Not often but it does happen. There was a long topic a few months back in Tech Ops.

As I remember the discussion, the A32x engine cowlings (don't know if it applies to all versions) have a latch design whereby you cannot visually check if they are locked. You have to actually press or something. So it's easy to assume they are locked even though the checklist says feel them up.



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13201 times:

I do not think that it happens often - or at least it I hope not.  Big grin

-Will



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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13188 times:

Forgot to mention it's not really dangerous normally. Just annoying. There was an article about a Cargo DC-8 in Micronesia or somewhere that lost a cowling. The only thing the crew noticed was that the engine was running slightly cooler than usual.  Big grin

[Edited 2004-07-23 23:32:06]


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User currently offlineBristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13176 times:

It happened a few yrs ago, a cowl fell off a 747 engine departing out of LAX and it landed on the beach (the cowl, not the plane!).

At least someone would have got a good windbreak!

BF



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User currently offlinePHX Flyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13146 times:

<< Forgot to mention it's not really dangerous normally.>>

Yeah, you had better forgotten about it, because it's BS!
The cowling can hit the vertical stabilizer and destroy the rudder in the process. This is dangerous, especially during take-off.

AI has been offering an upgrade kit for the cowlings for several years now, which - if installed - prevents the cowling from fully closing unless they are properly latched. This makes it easier to spot an open one just by visual inspection.


User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13145 times:

Wasn't a CFM-56 engine by any chance was it? They're renowned for this on the A320's.

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13134 times:

PHX Flyer. I misspoke. I meant it's normally not a problem. Of course it can be dangerous...


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 13033 times:

It was a V2527-A5 engine. The topic needs to be changed to ENGINE COWLING FALLS OFF OF AIRTRAN FLIGHT OPERATED BY RYAN INTERNATIONAL.

User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16991 posts, RR: 67
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12989 times:

"Falls off"?. My hope is that it was wrenched off by airflow or that plane was flying waaaaay too slow  Big grin


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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12977 times:

~"The topic needs to be changed to ENGINE COWLING FALLS OFF OF AIRTRAN FLIGHT OPERATED BY RYAN INTERNATIONAL"~

I know.. God forbid we accidentally incriminate the 717 or the BR715..  Insane



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User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12898 times:

We're forgetting about the possibility of engine cowlings falling on unsuspecting people, houses, vehicles, etc...

This is a potentially dangerous situation!



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User currently offlineCpt Underpants From Canada, joined May 2001, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12875 times:

Actually, it's the A320 / IAE V2500 combination that's had the majority of these incidents. The modification does help a great deal, but many older machines have not been modified. And to say it's not normally a problem is ridiculous. In the past, cowl loss incidents have resulted in tail damage, leading edge slat damage, fuel tank rupture, a hole in a fuselage and even an engine that refused to go out of idle because the aircraft thought a reverser had deployed!

User currently onlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1240 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 12770 times:

How heavy is a cowling for a V2527-A5?

User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12654 times:

This is dangerous, especially during take-off.
If a plane is taking off (heading up), and the cowling falls off, it is going to fall down or at a little bit of an angle, and should miss hitting any part of the plane.

The topic needs to be changed to ENGINE COWLING FALLS OFF OF AIRTRAN FLIGHT OPERATED BY RYAN INTERNATIONAL.
It was an AirTran flight, and AirTran takes legal (I believe) responsibilities of the aircraft.

While I must say I am impressed (seriously, no joke) with your accuracy, I suggest you head on over to Site Related to this post (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/site_related/read.main/23676/) and see if you can show support for a grammatically accurate a.net.

 Smile
-Will



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 12642 times:

even though the checklist says feel them up.

There's a CHECKLIST for that kind of stuff??  Nuts  Big thumbs up


If a plane is taking off (heading up), and the cowling falls off, it is going to fall down or at a little bit of an angle, and should miss hitting any part of the plane.

Incorrect. It has more to do with angle of attack, "aerodynamics" of the part, weight, airspeed, etc. It could definitely hit parts of the airplane.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12580 times:

The topic needs to be changed to ENGINE COWLING FALLS OFF OF AIRTRAN FLIGHT OPERATED BY RYAN INTERNATIONAL.
It was an AirTran flight, and AirTran takes legal (I believe) responsibilities of the aircraft.


No, that would be Ryan International, the operator of the a/c; the flight is operated on the behalf of AirTran, is booked through AirTran, but the flight is in reality a Ryan Int'l flight, not an AirTran flight. The AirTran/Ryan Int'l contract is an ACMI (Aircraft, Crew, Maintenance, Insurance) leasing arrangement, so anything that happens to that a/c while operating for AirTran falls back on Ryan Int'l not AirTran.


User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12518 times:

If a plane is taking off (heading up), and the cowling falls off, it is going to fall down or at a little bit of an angle, and should miss hitting any part of the plane.

Incorrect. Just take a look at the following photo, notice the engine cowling has seperated and caused damage to the fin.


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Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineJetmek319 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12485 times:

As I remember the discussion, the A32x engine cowlings (don't know if it applies to all versions) have a latch design whereby you cannot visually check if they are locked. You have to actually press or something. So it's easy to assume they are locked even though the checklist says feel them up.

***Actually the cowl latches are painted a contrasting color, usually day-glo orange (except on easyJet), and are easily verified via visual inspection. There is a way, however, to latch them 'together' prior the cowling being closed. Though as mentioned before, the cowling doesn't close correctly.***



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 13 hours ago) and read 11607 times:

MD11LuxuryLinr,

Hey, when it happens, it happens. The way people are talking to me about those 717s, I wouldn't blink  Sad


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 hours ago) and read 10546 times:

Has anyone seen that IB A320? If it's out of service for that long then why hasn't this issue been fixed or at least resolved? When an incodent like this happens does the airline pay the bill b/c they forgot to latch the thingie or does Airbus pay b/c they were the idiots that put it there to begin with? I guess that's what you sign up for when you buy the a/c!

UA777222



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User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 hours ago) and read 10204 times:

Whenever outside from now on, I will now watch out for engine cowlings falling from the sky  Wink/being sarcastic


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