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Any Good News At Swiss?  
User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1618 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

Hello Swiss friends!

I have completed all training and transition courses and am now flying on the line in the US. I was fortunate enough to have been hired on at one of the larger so-called "regional" carriers here. The majors are not hiring so it was my best chance. My experience at Crossair and SWISS was superb and made the training here in the US relatively easy. Swiss aviation, despite what some "Aviatikexperten" will say, is high quality!

My transition course for the CRJ-200 was easier for me than for my colleagues who had not yet had much experience with a "real" airline.

Anyway, now that I am in the skies again (though not in Europe...) I am curious what is happening in Switzerland and with SWISS in particular? I have heard from some friends who are still there that the situation between SWISS Pilots and Aeropers and management has not really improved. I hope I am wrong. Also, what is the news on the new CEO? How has he been recieved?

Many of my old friends are flying now at Darwin in LUG! I was offered a job there on the Saab 2000 and would have taken it had I not been in training here on the new jet.

Well, CH-Freunde, I hope all is well there and I hope for good news! I hope to return to the skies above the Alps again and hope that ZRH will be there (and not shut down by the anti-airport people!!) when I arrive!


smrtrthnu
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User currently offlineMd11dude From Canada, joined May 2004, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7779 times:

hey saab2000,i cant say much as i dont fly anything over the King Air, but ive been hearing things about swiss not hiring pilots for their mainline fleet for 7 months.....its just hearsay, so dont take it heavy, i dont buy it either....but its looking dismal everywhere.


CP979
User currently offlineGlorydaysSR From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7720 times:

All I can say is its not SR (my mom was staff for 32 yrs hense the Screename).

I hate the new brown seats

hehe



User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1618 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7668 times:

MD11dude,

What do you mean by "mainline"? SWISS is all one company. Also, they have not only not hired, but they have laid off hundreds of pilots. I was one of them and had my last SWISS flight last October 24.... I miss it and despite all the negative things in the company, I miss SWISS. It was my company and I felt good about it. It is my real hope that things can improve and that one day I can fly there again, or at least fly in Switzerland again.

I wish I knew the answers to the problems. Unfortunately, I don't. Aviation is a tough business, especially these days.

I hope that when I return there will still be an aviation industry in Switzerland.....



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7631 times:

I hope that when I return there will still be an aviation industry in Switzerland...

Don't worry, there will be! New comers like Baboo, Helvetic, Hello, Darwin, Helvetia Xpress (presently hiring staff) will jump into the gap should LX vanish!


User currently offlineEzycrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

Things are worse than ever before. Most pilots (both ex-LX and ex-SR) who were a bit enthousiastic a few months ago are now turning bitter. Most of my colleagues believe we only have 2 possibilities :
-liquidation
or
-a LH buyout (for a symbolic CHF1.--, grounding of all longhauls and re-branding as a LH Regional partner to feed their AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA and MUC hubs).

Anyway, a big announcement will be made before the release of the winter timetable, if any this year...

lx-f/a, ARJ, 320


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 1 day ago) and read 7369 times:

Unfortunately there are not many good news about SWISS. Media reports indicate that there will be a big announcement made by SWISS quite soon.

What can we expect to be announced?

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 7308 times:

Sorry but SWISS is just unbelievable...no wonder they are struggling...
What happened to me today is just too much...

I'm working part time in the travel department of a big company. We are very loyal to SWISS when we book flights and we book a lot of flights!! Due to some reasons LX decided to cut the midday departures between August 7 and August 30 from BSL to Vienna, Dusseldorf, Amsterdam, Brussels and Munich. Where do we know that from? From the newspaper. SWISS did not contact our company. SWISS says they do it because of low bookings but we have pages full of passengers using these midday flights during this time and every passenger is worth around 1300 Francs! And this is an eco tariff!! So our boss calls SWISS immediately (SWISS was in our company lately and was complaining about easyJet's new competition in BSL). It was just unbelievable how arrogant the lady on the phone answered. She told us to book the passengers on the morning and evening flights (or different: SWISS has already booked the pax on these flights without telling us). What do they think?? Why do we pay 1300 CHF and book them on the midday flights? Because all those pax have important things to do every day and cannot take the morning/evening flights! Now lot of pax have trouble to get to their destination and meet other people there.
BTW, my dad is one of the pax. We have now cancelled the BSL-VIE-BSL booking for nearly 1300 CHF and he's flying Niki from ZRH for around 80 Euros oneway.

Guess what, in the next press release SWISS is going to complain about LCCs! I tell you something. Since easyJet is in BSL not a single flight was cancelled and they are very punctual.

Sorry just needed to vent a little bit!

RJ100



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User currently offlineSQ7345 From Switzerland, joined Feb 2004, 78 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 20 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

well RJ100, i fully understand you!
three possibilities for the big thing to be announced:
1. cancel all flights ex LH / LFSB), France">BSL
2. moving HDQ to ZRH
3. LH will take over
now if you want to hear my choice: i could live with all three.


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Things cant be that bad.

I read that Swiss is falling just short of break-even this year due to "higher than expected fuel cost".

Also it seems that longhaul might be the only profitable aspect to Swiss.



User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 7216 times:

Hi SQ7345

It would be the best if they would completely leave BSL like you have said. The routes that they serve today will all be taken over by foreign carriers and would generate more pax than SWISS carries today. Especially Austrian Airlines which said that they would immediately start flights to BSL if SWISS would cut BSL-VIE, and this route would give great opportunities for BSL travellers to eastern Europe.

@FLYYUL: Yes last year it was due to SARS, this year due to high fuel prices and next year because of the LCCs...they will always find a reason to blame others. And that LX longhaul is profitable is new to me. They have full planes but need to sell most tickets abroad for low prices because the Swiss home market is too small.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

RJ100,

LX is a network carrier. It can advertize say YUL-Karachi via ZRH, and capatalize on global demand versus pure local demand.

I remember reading that LX longhaul is the only saving grace of the company.



User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Yes it can capitalize on global demand. But people prefer direct flights so they only fly via ZRH if the price is low enough. I think SWISS could do very well on longhaul if they would concentrate on routes that have their own market (i.e.ZRH-JFK) or where they can generate high yields (also with transfer pax), i.e. ZRH-Africa.
But as soon as they sell HAM-ZRH-Rio for 650 CHF they will lose money. And at the moment their longhaul fleet is still too big. Too big for a niche carrier and too big for a local longhaul airline.

I know that there are different opinions though...

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 7165 times:

Perhaps the network is too large.

But it seems as if North America is pretty solid, and anything to India/Middle East/Asia is a lock.



User currently offlineSaab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1618 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

When I was flying for SWISS I remember some of our routes were FULL FULL FULL. Those routes no longer exists.

I do not know the fares and yields on those routes, but a full SB-20 from ZRH-VCE or FLR-SB), France">BSL or FLR-ZRH (yes, including C-Class pax) must have been earning money. Yet those routes no longer exist.

Last summer I flew probably 15-20 times ZRH-VCE and the plane never had less than 40 pax. This route no longer exists as far as I am aware.

This would correspond with what RJ-100 said. Also, the arrogance he describes is totally believable. There are many nice and many professional people at SWISS, both ex-Crossair and ex-Swissair, but some of them still feel that they are doing the customer a service and the customer should be happy, rather than them being happy that they have customers!

In this business we live for the pax, not the other way around.

I still hope they make it!



smrtrthnu
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4999 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 13 hours ago) and read 7085 times:

I think Swiss has a better chance globally.

Switzerland is a very international market, and they should market and exhaust the numerous possibilities of ZRH and especially GVA.



User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 7039 times:


Hi!

First of all I would like to say that SWISS refusing to be part of OneWorld was quite disapointing, but I still believe that SWISS have good market to survive and keep going, maybe not in the same way has Swissair but they have a niche to work out. I think they did good cutting some routes but I don't know if that's enough, US market looks like FLYYUL said quite solid, I flew LAX/ZRH last December and the plane was full, I have a friend that flew from LIS to GVA and the plane was full, SWISS dropped 1 flight to LIS in Winter Timetable but now they came back again in the summer, so I really don't understand what's going on there. But for God's sake I hope they don't join with LH, then it would be the end of SWISS, and I don't want to accept that! Anyway I'll be flying SWISS from LIS to GVA next September, at least I'll give my dimes to them!
regards


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

There are lot of loyal people and companies in Switzerland...
Our company could save a lot of money by using other airlines but still we book thousands of pax on SWISS because we want to see them survive. And as I said above, we never get low fares, London is always around 800 Francs, every other destination out of Basel is between 1200 and 1600 Francs- in economy class.

I cooled down a little bit but I just think if they have some pax aboard they should fly. It's just not the way you treat your passengers and customers.

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2476 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

RJ100:

I understand your anger. I have seen with my own eyes how LX is doing out of BSL. They have been advertising their flights from BSL to many cities using SAAB 2000's and ERJ145's. They even have some brochures that you can get at EuroAirport with the new flights they have been adding. Most of the passengers using these flights are from the pharmaceuticals, so I wonder why are they cancelling the mid day flights?? I have seen those flights going with 20 to 30 people.

On most of my flights LHR-BSL-LHR I end up seating next to people working for Novartis, Syngenta, Roche, etc. and those seats are quite expensive, since most of them are booked one or two days in advance. Just recently the company I work for booked me the mid day flight BSL-LHR. This was done 1 day in advance, so they ended up paying a "B" fare. As usual, my plans suddenly changed because of an unschedule meeting. I phoned LX to see if I could change my flight (even paying the difference in fare) and the answer was NO. Your ticket does not allow changes, it is a "BSWISSUK" fare. I reply to him that the ticket cost GBP 400 (pounds) and it does not allow changes??? He answered: well, those are the rules, if you miss the flight you will have to get a new ticket. I was shocked!! With GBP 400 I can buy a roundtrip ticket to the USA...
But the company is loyal to LX, so I always end up flying with them...


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 hours ago) and read 6898 times:

Rojo, that's a scandal. But it doesn't surprise me anymore...
I know that flights are well booked from BSL but they always say they don't make profits. Every other airline would make profits on these routes...
It is very sad but a lot of people wish that SWISS is leaving BSL completely because it makes no sense to fly routes out of BSL when LX doesn't really want to fly these routes and cuts midday flights during certain weeks. It would be better to attract foreign carriers that are interested in those routes and which are promoting these routes well enough.

BTW, did you know that BA takes over the BSL-LHR route starting in October?

Best regards,
RJ100




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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2476 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

BTW, did you know that BA takes over the BSL-LHR route starting in October?

Yes, I read about it back in June. I guess LX does not want to have any more Airbus planes flying to BSL and concentrate on RJ and Turboprops. The good news are that LX is starting flights to LCY with the same schedules they have to LHR. The only problem is that they will be using the SAAB 2000's. Just because of the airplane type I will prefer to fly BA from LHR, although LCY is more convenient. Additionally, I am an AAdvantage customer, and thanks to their decision of not joining OneWorld, none of my flights count towards elite status and no business class check-in is available when flying Y...

I would like to see AF flying BSL-LHR. At least it will give BA some competition now that the pharmaceutical companies (loyal to LX) will only get an LX codeshare flight operated by BA...


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 1 hour ago) and read 6834 times:

Yes, SWISS starts LH / LFSB), France">BSL-LCY on August 30. I don't think that AF will start LH / LFSB), France">BSL-LHR as they are concentating on Paris and Lyon and easyJet will increase capacity on LH / LFSB), France">BSL-London too in the near future...

BTW, some of the pharmaceuticals have agreements with BA. Novartis for instance is booking most longhaul pax on LH and BA.

Cheers,
RJ100

P.S.: Whenever you're in LH / LFSB), France">BSL and you are bored drop me a mail.



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User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6704 times:

Does someone have more information on what is happening with the Swiss credit cards? They seem to have first problems with the banks at the moment, not getting credits etc.

In the meantime Swiss officials and the aviation authorities say "there is absolutely no danger Swiss needs to shut down in the near future". The situation looks like in summer 2001...

Banks not giving credits to Swiss anymore is definitely not a good sign and for the first time I am really frightened that something is happening in the near future. Does someone of you have more information on the credit card issue?

Regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineUnique From Switzerland, joined Mar 2003, 1703 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6682 times:

What a bull***t! It's not about banks not giving credits to LX anymore, it's only and purely the manufacturing of the plastic cards are no longer done in Switzerland!

 Pissed  Pissed


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4121 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6677 times:

Are you sure? It sounded more like banks not giving credits to Swiss so they needed to find other banks (in Iceland btw...).

Some more info would be appreciated as the newspaper reports were unclear.
BTW, keep cool. It's not good to get angry when its so hot outside Big grin

RJ100  Big grin



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25 Unique : RJ100, I didn't get angry because of you, it just made me mad to see how quickly rumours can spread - fatal rumours! The person I'm living with since
26 AviationMaster : From the way things work in Switzerland it will take 30 groundings before realizing that it's time to change. I guess many haven't learnt from the SR
27 Unique : Basically my words, AviationMaster! I've always stated that when politicians start to involve themselves into aviation, disasters are the result!
28 Post contains images RJ100 : Thx for the info Unique. I have read the newspaper article a few times but still don't understand what the problem is with the credit cards. I know th
29 Unique : RJ100, I bet the article was edited by Sepp Moser... Happy National Day to you, too!
30 Post contains links and images RJ100 : http://msair.ch/eapforum/pix2004/BAZFrontZweite300704_1-Swiss%20Probleme%20Kreditkarten.pdf Indeed Unique! How did you know? Regards, RJ100
31 Unique : How did you know? Because he called the company my girlfriend is working, seeking more info about the whole thing. He was told the way it is but he re
32 Jbangert : I can well understand RJ100's frustrations. Basle and Geneva are again feeling the drawbacks of SWISS' Unique focus on ZRH, still dreaming of an inter
33 RJ100 : Unique: It seems like Sepp Moser is really writing a lot of bullshit. Unfortunately the newspapers are printing everything (especially during summer h
34 CV990 : Hi! It's good to see in this topic the involvement of our fellow swiss and that's what I like it here, sometimes we can understand better how things
35 Unique : looks that ZRH is slowly dying has a major european hub and being more and more a regional hub That's not only because the collapse of SR, it's mainly
36 RJ100 : Some other RUMOURS can be found in today's Sunday press. They claim to know an internal e-mail from SWISS which says that the new system does not work
37 SQ7345 : Unique: Don't really understand your trouble with the politicians. Because of these people we still have an Airline that is flying and we have Switzer
38 RJ100 : The rumours become real... The SWISS unions today confirmed that CEO Franz has told them his plans to concentrate on Zurich and to shut down Geneva co
39 ChrisZRH : cutting all flights? are you sure? their just getting deeper into the mud....damn.... i so wish them all the best
40 RJ100 : Yes,the plan is to cut all the flights and was confirmed by the unions and Swiss TV. Two of Europes most prosperous economical areas will be completel
41 CXA330300 : They are definitely going down. Giving up GVA will be the slit in the throat for them. Geneva is home to major int'l organizations, notably the Red Cr
42 Unique : that politicians save thousands of jobs and keep Unique going SQ7345, ZRH Airport did not get a single cent from the Government. It survived because t
43 WGW2707 : The closure of GVA and BSL will be a huge blow to this airline. I would say that Swiss is without a doubt the worst-managed airline in the world right
44 Post contains images AviationMaster : Those are some depressing news So much for a so called "national airline"...
45 Sabenapilot : First of all, being a Belgian (and certainly with a login name like mine) I know how easy it is to think I act out of revenge, yet I would like to sta
46 CV990 : Hi! If SWISS is closing down GVA that's indeed very sad news. I would understand that some flights from GVA and even from ZRH are not that reliable b
47 RJ100 : What I don't understand is that BSL airport (and I'm sure the same goes for GVA) have already confirmations by airlines (such as Austrian, Iberia, KLM
48 CV990 : Hi RJ100! yes you're absolutely right! SWISS giving up LIS will make TAP very happy and I'm sure they'll thank deeply to SWISS regarding that. GVA an
49 Sabenapilot : Indeed RJ100, that may sound a bit strange, but don't forget other airlines would start serving BSL from their main hub. I am sure you know it is alwa
50 RJ100 : Hi Sabenapilot I understand what you say. Thanks for the info. As for the current Swiss destinations out of BSL there is also enough demand for o/d pa
51 RJ100 : BTW, Swiss shares are down 17.6% at the moment. RJ100
52 CXA330300 : LX routes from BSL: Munich Berlin/THF Hamburg Dusseldorf- Germany Vienna- Austria Brussels- Belgium Barcelona, Madrid- Spain Birmingham, Manchester, L
53 SQ7345 : Sabenapilot: Some of the best and profund articles I have read on this forum. Congratulations! Do you believe that every taxpayer in Switzerland has p
54 Post contains images RJ100 : -BRU and LCY will be kept by Crossair Europe (3x daily with Saab2000) -Munich: probably more frequencies by LH -Vienna: Austrian Airlines (already con
55 Cedarjet : Going back to what Rojo said: 400 CHF for a Basle - London and it's not changeable or even upgradable to a changeable fare?! I don't bother with Swiss
56 RJ100 : Forgot to add that easyJet will most likely announce a BSL-Dortmund route which could replace Dusseldorf. RJ100
57 Sabenapilot : Thanks for the positive comments, guys! I am certainly not an expert of Swiss aviation, I am basically saying Swiss Int'l might be much better of in t
58 RJ100 : Hi Sabenapilot Crossair Europe was founded by Crossair to get full traffic rights in the European market (because registered in France). Swiss tried t
59 FLYYUL : Swiss is going to abandon GVA? GVA is still a high-yield international destination. Oh well.
60 RJ100 : Both Geneva airport and Basel airport have now released statements. Both airports speak of an "own goal" by Swiss. Obviously Geneva also expects that
61 Sabenapilot : If LX is going to abandon GVA all together, does that mean: They will not even serve ZRH anymore? And thus give up the Lake Geneva area as an area the
62 Panamair : There have been lots of posts about which of LX's ops are profitable vs. not profitable but does someone have real facts and figures? Some camps say t
63 Sabenapilot : Panamair... I have no insight in LX's financial balance, but what I can say is that at Sabena, we had a lot of those intercontinental flights you ment
64 Panamair : On a separate but related note, anybody noticed the irony that TravelClub's 2 millionth member (who was awarded 160,000 bonus miles in addition to the
65 Jbangert : Thanks to Sabenapilot and RJ100 for their cogent comments. SWISS Management have just declared they would have no taboos in taking a fresh look at all
66 Post contains images Mozart : Very interesting post, thanks to you all. I have followed the fate of SR/LX since the turbulent days of 2001/2002 and always expressed my support and
67 Sabenapilot : Jbangert, thanks for the laudable comments. As to your reference to AU, I was more or less expecting this would come up sooner or later. We in Belgium
68 Babybus : From a customer point of view I have flown LX many times but I eventually had to stop as the fares were going up and I found the seats too narrow. You
69 FLYYUL : Sabenapilot, Do you have concrete facts that prove LX's unprofitability in the long-haul market? The mere fact that they are cutting in intra-europe f
70 Sabenapilot : FLYYUL As I have previously said, I have no figures at all, I can only try to make a well founded hypothesis based on FACTS from a very similar airlin
71 RJ100 : Obviously more information will be given on August 17. I don't know if this will be a press conference or if this is just a meeting with the unions. @
72 Aviasian : RJ100: I can understand how you feel about the service you received from LX. I first flew Swissair in 1981 from London to Zurich on an MD80 (or was it
73 Post contains images FinnWings : Sabenapilot, You have done excellent statements in this topic... welcome to my respected users list! It is really very sad to see how bad things are w
74 CV990 : Hi FinnWings! SWISS changed all the meal policy I think October 2003 when they changed to Fall/Winter schedule 2003. From then on all the meals had t
75 SQ7345 : Panamair,Sabenapilot and RJ100 Regarding some figures you wanted to know, well here they are. This clearly says it all. Not enough O/D Traffic means y
76 Unique : -cutting 1000 jobs (won't work because of the unions) -outsourcing the regional fleet and reducing wages for regional crews (won't work because of the
77 Post contains images RJ100 : SQ7345: thanks for this information, very interesting! Unique: Yes it happened before and will happen again. Unions are stubborn as hell... I wonder i
78 Post contains images AviationMaster : Is there a way to get rid of the unions? (I doubt it with the ways things work here in Switzerland ) "Hey at least Helvetic Airways posted a profit fo
79 FLYYUL : "This clearly says it all. Not enough O/D Traffic means you create transit Pax with cheap fares. Result: High Loadfactor - Low Yield !!!" -Thats a rid
80 Hb-iqa : Dear SQ7345, Do you have the right to publish the quoted figures? If they are accurate and obtained from the reservation system you must be abusing yo
81 Panamair : SQ7345, Thanks for the figures but I don't think a high proportion of transfer pax. automatically means the airline is losing its shirt. The lower yie
82 FLYYUL : More and more, you see legacy carriers moving into the global traffic market. Look at small carriers like Air Canada, Austrian, etc.
83 Sabenapilot : Thanks for the good comments, guys. Yes, more and more legacy carriers are indeed focusing on long haul routes, but they do their very best to find ro
84 Unique : Do you have the right to publish the quoted figures? If they are accurate and obtained from the reservation system you must be abusing your position o
85 FLYYUL : Sabenapilot, How can you conclude that Swiss's fares are more leisure in type than competitors such as AF, LH, BA etc? Your making a claim, not speaki
86 Sabenapilot : As I have told you 2 days ago, FLYYUL, I am making an educated guess, based on circumstancial evidence, deduction and comparison with similar airlines
87 RJ100 : The numbers presented by SQ7345 show a lot. Swiss itself declared that yields are low. Also they said they wanted to reduce transfer pax to 30-40% rig
88 Teahan : @HB-IQA: And out comes the Swiss(air) police...
89 HB-IWC : Further cuts in the longhauls? Not so long ago Swissair/Swiss was operating a fleet of 35 widebodies (19 MD11/16 A332), a number that, by the end of t
90 FLYYUL : "Aren't you the one who is being lead by emotions, rather than by evidence, be it circumstancial?" -I have no emotional attachment to Swiss. "I am not
91 RJ100 : FLYYUL: Again, why should we, the people from GVA and BSL, not getting emotional? We know that SWISS is cutting routes that will be replaced, some of
92 CXA330300 : TLV-ZRH ttl pax 170 ttl transfer 105 or 61.8% Swiss is the #2 int'l carrier at TLV (after LH), and is hugely popular for transfers. So not just Switze
93 FLYYUL : It seems like a "I want Swiss to die because they are abandoning BSL and GVA" type attitude in this thread. Then it leads to "Swiss bashing" and how i
94 RJ100 : Absolutely not. If you would have followed my posts about SWISS in recent years you would understand that I want them to survive. But there are just s
95 Hb-iqa : Teahan - Don't patronise me please! I was simply informing SQ7345 of what he should already know - that company confidential information should stay
96 FLYYUL : Swiss is still a private company that is under stress to become profitable. From what I read, I see Swiss trying to rid themselves of all the unecessa
97 Sabenapilot : FLYYUL, the fact that Swiss (their management and board of governors) are continuing to move in the direction of preserving the viable long-haul opera
98 Teahan : @HB-IQA: I'm not patronising you, in fact I accept your point.
99 Post contains images Raptor72 : Hey guys Just grab a cup of icecream and cool down! This board is getting hotter then the actual outside temperature (at least here in Switzerland...
100 RJ100 : RJ100 - Do you think this is then the best business plan to make a profit - base aircraft around the country that they are sure to make a loss with? S
101 Sabenapilot : on a different but related issue I have a question... I recently saw a Swiss Sun Airbus A320 in BRU. I thought Swiss Sun was the charter subsidiary of
102 Panamair : Swiss Sun uses the same crews and code as scheduled LX ops. The planes have been repainted to say Swiss Sun and the 320s are in all-Y config. The a/c
103 AviationMaster : Hi Sabenapilot: Swiss Sun is the charter subsidiary of Swiss and they use the same code as all other Swiss flights (LX). From what I know, it's not a
104 ChrisZRH : aren't they just giving one or two up? they will continue flying with at least one! What about Lahore start-up? is this really going to happen?
105 CXA330300 : Several questions and comments ChrisZRH-Where did you hear of the Lahore route startup? If LX leaves BSL and GVA, what will happen to LUG? I find this
106 JoFMO : Lahore was a rumor for LH, but really only a rumor.
107 Jbangert : CXA330300: FRA is only one of the remarkable gaps in the service provided by SWISS from GVA. Their predecessor Swissair had progressively discontinued
108 Post contains links Hopper : Look at this comparison between Swiss and SNBA: http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=105&sid=5123246 Rather similar conclusions...[Edi
109 RJ100 : Interesting link! Other news are that SWISS is earning CHF 76 million after a court decided that AOM/Air Liberté needs to pay back this amount of mon
110 Sabenapilot : Interesting link indeed... As to those earnings of CHF 76 million Swiss may now legally claim after a court decision against AOM/Air Lib, I don't know
111 Unique : so I doubt it Swiss will ever see the money (if there is any left) on it bank accounts. The money was blocked by a court on behalf of AOM/Air Lib henc
112 ChrisZRH : wasn't Lahore a Swiss rumor? but will the start Karachi from January on non-stop right?
113 Ezycrew : When Swiss started in 2002, the Swiss Gov't agreed to contribute financially and gave 1.5Bln CHF. But there were conditions, one being that LX serves
114 LX23 : Hi to everyone! this is my first post on the forum, and i know i'll probably get shot down for what i'm about to say, but here it goes. It's interesti
115 Sr176 : to ChrisYZRH Karachi will be stopped and Lahore was only a rumour.
116 CV990 : Hi guys!!! I love to talk about SWISS. Everytime we talk about SWISS things get HOT!!!!! This time it was not me that started the fire!!!! But I do a
117 Post contains images Ezycrew : Welcome on the forum, LX23, and welcome on my respected user list
118 Ezycrew : Loosing the GVA-LHR slots was really stupid. This is a mostly point-to-point route, therefore generating high yields (at more than CHF1000 for a same
119 Post contains images LX23 : thanks Ezycrew. I'd been reading on the forum for a while, and finally decided to say SOMETHING after soooooooo many discussions about an airline that
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