Saab2000 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7210 times:
Hello Swiss friends!
I have completed all training and transition courses and am now flying on the line in the US. I was fortunate enough to have been hired on at one of the larger so-called "regional" carriers here. The majors are not hiring so it was my best chance. My experience at Crossair and SWISS was superb and made the training here in the US relatively easy. Swiss aviation, despite what some "Aviatikexperten" will say, is high quality!
My transition course for the CRJ-200 was easier for me than for my colleagues who had not yet had much experience with a "real" airline.
Anyway, now that I am in the skies again (though not in Europe...) I am curious what is happening in Switzerland and with SWISS in particular? I have heard from some friends who are still there that the situation between SWISS Pilots and Aeropers and management has not really improved. I hope I am wrong. Also, what is the news on the new CEO? How has he been recieved?
Many of my old friends are flying now at Darwin in LUG! I was offered a job there on the Saab 2000 and would have taken it had I not been in training here on the new jet.
Well, CH-Freunde, I hope all is well there and I hope for good news! I hope to return to the skies above the Alps again and hope that ZRH will be there (and not shut down by the anti-airport people!!) when I arrive!
Md11dude From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7132 times:
hey saab2000,i cant say much as i dont fly anything over the King Air, but ive been hearing things about swiss not hiring pilots for their mainline fleet for 7 months.....its just hearsay, so dont take it heavy, i dont buy it either....but its looking dismal everywhere.
Saab2000 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7021 times:
What do you mean by "mainline"? SWISS is all one company. Also, they have not only not hired, but they have laid off hundreds of pilots. I was one of them and had my last SWISS flight last October 24.... I miss it and despite all the negative things in the company, I miss SWISS. It was my company and I felt good about it. It is my real hope that things can improve and that one day I can fly there again, or at least fly in Switzerland again.
I wish I knew the answers to the problems. Unfortunately, I don't. Aviation is a tough business, especially these days.
I hope that when I return there will still be an aviation industry in Switzerland.....
Ezycrew From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6871 times:
Things are worse than ever before. Most pilots (both ex-LX and ex-SR) who were a bit enthousiastic a few months ago are now turning bitter. Most of my colleagues believe we only have 2 possibilities :
-a LH buyout (for a symbolic CHF1.--, grounding of all longhauls and re-branding as a LH Regional partner to feed their AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA and MUC hubs).
Anyway, a big announcement will be made before the release of the winter timetable, if any this year...
RJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6661 times:
Sorry but SWISS is just unbelievable...no wonder they are struggling...
What happened to me today is just too much...
I'm working part time in the travel department of a big company. We are very loyal to SWISS when we book flights and we book a lot of flights!! Due to some reasons LX decided to cut the midday departures between August 7 and August 30 from BSL to Vienna, Dusseldorf, Amsterdam, Brussels and Munich. Where do we know that from? From the newspaper. SWISS did not contact our company. SWISS says they do it because of low bookings but we have pages full of passengers using these midday flights during this time and every passenger is worth around 1300 Francs! And this is an eco tariff!! So our boss calls SWISS immediately (SWISS was in our company lately and was complaining about easyJet's new competition in BSL). It was just unbelievable how arrogant the lady on the phone answered. She told us to book the passengers on the morning and evening flights (or different: SWISS has already booked the pax on these flights without telling us). What do they think?? Why do we pay 1300 CHF and book them on the midday flights? Because all those pax have important things to do every day and cannot take the morning/evening flights! Now lot of pax have trouble to get to their destination and meet other people there.
BTW, my dad is one of the pax. We have now cancelled the BSL-VIE-BSL booking for nearly 1300 CHF and he's flying Niki from ZRH for around 80 Euros oneway.
Guess what, in the next press release SWISS is going to complain about LCCs! I tell you something. Since easyJet is in BSL not a single flight was cancelled and they are very punctual.
SQ7345 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6612 times:
well RJ100, i fully understand you!
three possibilities for the big thing to be announced:
1. cancel all flights ex LH / LFSB), France">BSL
2. moving HDQ to ZRH
3. LH will take over
now if you want to hear my choice: i could live with all three.
RJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6569 times:
It would be the best if they would completely leave BSL like you have said. The routes that they serve today will all be taken over by foreign carriers and would generate more pax than SWISS carries today. Especially Austrian Airlines which said that they would immediately start flights to BSL if SWISS would cut BSL-VIE, and this route would give great opportunities for BSL travellers to eastern Europe.
@FLYYUL: Yes last year it was due to SARS, this year due to high fuel prices and next year because of the LCCs...they will always find a reason to blame others. And that LX longhaul is profitable is new to me. They have full planes but need to sell most tickets abroad for low prices because the Swiss home market is too small.
RJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6540 times:
Yes it can capitalize on global demand. But people prefer direct flights so they only fly via ZRH if the price is low enough. I think SWISS could do very well on longhaul if they would concentrate on routes that have their own market (i.e.ZRH-JFK) or where they can generate high yields (also with transfer pax), i.e. ZRH-Africa.
But as soon as they sell HAM-ZRH-Rio for 650 CHF they will lose money. And at the moment their longhaul fleet is still too big. Too big for a niche carrier and too big for a local longhaul airline.
I know that there are different opinions though...
Saab2000 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6443 times:
When I was flying for SWISS I remember some of our routes were FULL FULL FULL. Those routes no longer exists.
I do not know the fares and yields on those routes, but a full SB-20 from ZRH-VCE or FLR-SB), France">BSL or FLR-ZRH (yes, including C-Class pax) must have been earning money. Yet those routes no longer exist.
Last summer I flew probably 15-20 times ZRH-VCE and the plane never had less than 40 pax. This route no longer exists as far as I am aware.
This would correspond with what RJ-100 said. Also, the arrogance he describes is totally believable. There are many nice and many professional people at SWISS, both ex-Crossair and ex-Swissair, but some of them still feel that they are doing the customer a service and the customer should be happy, rather than them being happy that they have customers!
In this business we live for the pax, not the other way around.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6392 times:
First of all I would like to say that SWISS refusing to be part of OneWorld was quite disapointing, but I still believe that SWISS have good market to survive and keep going, maybe not in the same way has Swissair but they have a niche to work out. I think they did good cutting some routes but I don't know if that's enough, US market looks like FLYYUL said quite solid, I flew LAX/ZRH last December and the plane was full, I have a friend that flew from LIS to GVA and the plane was full, SWISS dropped 1 flight to LIS in Winter Timetable but now they came back again in the summer, so I really don't understand what's going on there. But for God's sake I hope they don't join with LH, then it would be the end of SWISS, and I don't want to accept that! Anyway I'll be flying SWISS from LIS to GVA next September, at least I'll give my dimes to them!
RJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6356 times:
There are lot of loyal people and companies in Switzerland...
Our company could save a lot of money by using other airlines but still we book thousands of pax on SWISS because we want to see them survive. And as I said above, we never get low fares, London is always around 800 Francs, every other destination out of Basel is between 1200 and 1600 Francs- in economy class.
I cooled down a little bit but I just think if they have some pax aboard they should fly. It's just not the way you treat your passengers and customers.
Rojo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6303 times:
I understand your anger. I have seen with my own eyes how LX is doing out of BSL. They have been advertising their flights from BSL to many cities using SAAB 2000's and ERJ145's. They even have some brochures that you can get at EuroAirport with the new flights they have been adding. Most of the passengers using these flights are from the pharmaceuticals, so I wonder why are they cancelling the mid day flights?? I have seen those flights going with 20 to 30 people.
On most of my flights LHR-BSL-LHR I end up seating next to people working for Novartis, Syngenta, Roche, etc. and those seats are quite expensive, since most of them are booked one or two days in advance. Just recently the company I work for booked me the mid day flight BSL-LHR. This was done 1 day in advance, so they ended up paying a "B" fare. As usual, my plans suddenly changed because of an unschedule meeting. I phoned LX to see if I could change my flight (even paying the difference in fare) and the answer was NO. Your ticket does not allow changes, it is a "BSWISSUK" fare. I reply to him that the ticket cost GBP 400 (pounds) and it does not allow changes??? He answered: well, those are the rules, if you miss the flight you will have to get a new ticket. I was shocked!! With GBP 400 I can buy a roundtrip ticket to the USA...
But the company is loyal to LX, so I always end up flying with them...
RJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6251 times:
Rojo, that's a scandal. But it doesn't surprise me anymore...
I know that flights are well booked from BSL but they always say they don't make profits. Every other airline would make profits on these routes...
It is very sad but a lot of people wish that SWISS is leaving BSL completely because it makes no sense to fly routes out of BSL when LX doesn't really want to fly these routes and cuts midday flights during certain weeks. It would be better to attract foreign carriers that are interested in those routes and which are promoting these routes well enough.
BTW, did you know that BA takes over the BSL-LHR route starting in October?
Rojo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6214 times:
BTW, did you know that BA takes over the BSL-LHR route starting in October?
Yes, I read about it back in June. I guess LX does not want to have any more Airbus planes flying to BSL and concentrate on RJ and Turboprops. The good news are that LX is starting flights to LCY with the same schedules they have to LHR. The only problem is that they will be using the SAAB 2000's. Just because of the airplane type I will prefer to fly BA from LHR, although LCY is more convenient. Additionally, I am an AAdvantage customer, and thanks to their decision of not joining OneWorld, none of my flights count towards elite status and no business class check-in is available when flying Y...
I would like to see AF flying BSL-LHR. At least it will give BA some competition now that the pharmaceutical companies (loyal to LX) will only get an LX codeshare flight operated by BA...
RJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6187 times:
Yes, SWISS starts LH / LFSB), France">BSL-LCY on August 30. I don't think that AF will start LH / LFSB), France">BSL-LHR as they are concentating on Paris and Lyon and easyJet will increase capacity on LH / LFSB), France">BSL-London too in the near future...
BTW, some of the pharmaceuticals have agreements with BA. Novartis for instance is booking most longhaul pax on LH and BA.
P.S.: Whenever you're in LH / LFSB), France">BSL and you are bored drop me a mail.
RJ100 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6057 times:
Does someone have more information on what is happening with the Swiss credit cards? They seem to have first problems with the banks at the moment, not getting credits etc.
In the meantime Swiss officials and the aviation authorities say "there is absolutely no danger Swiss needs to shut down in the near future". The situation looks like in summer 2001...
Banks not giving credits to Swiss anymore is definitely not a good sign and for the first time I am really frightened that something is happening in the near future. Does someone of you have more information on the credit card issue?