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Delta To Ground MD90's?  
User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 376 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

With just a few weeks before the "new" Delta is announced, the RUMORS are soaring.

Here in DFW the rumors are from Delta might replace routes currently served by the Replacement Jets (RJ's) with flight time over 2.5 hours with mainline jets.....

DFW mainline will drop anywhere from 9-20 more mainline flights. Currently aprox 50 mainline flights.....

but the best rumors now are......

Delta will ground the MD90's which would be a major hurt to DFW, DFW
is the mtc base for the 90's.....

And finally for now rumors say the Pilot & F/A bases at DFW will close by early 2005.

Again, these are just rumors and until the curtain raises and we all find out!


Solodude!
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User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

I hope they dont dont ground the MD-90's unless they really need to ground them for financial reasons. The MD-90 is a beautiful aircraft.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6093 times:

I hope they dont dont ground the MD-90's unless they really need to ground them for financial reasons. The MD-90 is a beautiful aircraft.

DL has six narrowbodies in the mainline fleet alone. I'm sure they'd love to consolidate that fleet. After all, there are only 16 MD-90s (I think) versus 70 738s, and a greater number of MD-88s. That being said, I would miss them if they left. I would definitly get in a pleasure trip in on them before they are retired, I've never been on one and they are very rare.


User currently offlineDeltadude8 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 569 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6092 times:

From what I get from DL is also the MD90 is quite efficient...The only reason to ground it would be to gain fleet comonality...Is that DL's thinking behind this?

User currently offlineFalcon Flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

I'd hate to see them go but, if true, is it possible that the airline has a buyer interested in the whole fleet ? It could mean a quick capacity adjustment and cash infusion all at the same time.


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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5065 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5943 times:

What is this about a "new" Delta??? did I miss somthing??

bruce



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

With just a few weeks before the "new" Delta is announced, the RUMORS are soaring.
The new Delta, as in the new president and modified widget?  Big grin

And finally for now rumors say the Pilot & F/A bases at DFW will close by early 2005.
So much for all of the promotions that DL was running about flying to DFW.

 Smile
-Will



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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5867 times:

I've heard the exact opposite: that the MD90s are a mechanic's nightmare and break down frequently. I flew one from DFW to SNA and I know the plane in the gate next to me was encountering a "mechnical" delay.

Good for Delta for starting to streamline the fleet, regardless of a "beautiful" plane or not, beauty doesn't make passengers pay more for a flight.

-n


User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

I believe if Delta were to ground the MD90's, it is soley based on downsizing the number of different aircraft in the fleet.


Solodude!
User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5812 times:

Rumors with DL employees is that DFW is indeed being considered for another round of "leveling"..
Not good.... not good...



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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

If DL reduced DFW to that level, I'm sure we'll see AirTran come in and really make a push to expand.


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5808 times:

"Here in DFW the rumors are from Delta might replace routes currently served by the Replacement Jets (RJ's) with flight time over 2.5 hours with mainline jets.....

DFW mainline will drop anywhere from 9-20 more mainline flights. Currently aprox 50 mainline flights....."

I don't see how that would be possible, because DL mainline doesn't operate any routes under 2.5 hours that aren't mainline except for DFW-OAK, and DFW-SNA and DFW-ONT. I know that DFW-ATL will stay with 14 daily mainline flights. So where would more mainline cuts come from? DFW-DCA will likely go mainline again as will DFW-PBI. That'd be mainline increases, not cuts. I'm extremely excited to see what the "new" Delta will be like.

Jeremy


User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

the MD90s are a mechanic's nightmare and break down frequently

Maybe Jetsgo will take a few off their hands? They like keeping their maintenance staff busy over there.  Big grin



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5776 times:

Delta flies DFW-RDU with RJ.. is that up for mainline upgrade?


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

Was Delta the sole MD-90 customer? Maybe SAS and China Airlines ordered a few as well...

Maybe Jetsgo will take a few off their hands?

I noticed the Jetsgo livery is quite similar to Delta's Song livery.


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User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

Could FL have given them an offer they cannot refuse? FL has been short on airplanes recently even with their new 737s coming in.

Why else would they sell unless they really needed $$$? They still have 50x 737-200s around! The 90 is *VERY* fuel efficient and I could even see it being used for Song if they need to still grow.

In regards to fleet commonality, how much different is it than an MD-88 other than the engines from an MX standpoint?



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User currently offlineL.1011 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2209 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5697 times:

In theory, placing the 90s in Song service would have made more sense than the 757s, knowing what we know now. But, with Leo Moron's grandiose plans for Song, 16 planes wassn't enough. And now, the 757s have been upgraded and it'd create major inconsistancies in the mainline fleet and cost more to upgrade the 90s.

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26011 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

Aviation Week & Space Technology recently had an interview with Sr. VP-COO Joe Kolshak.

One of the things mentioned was that carrier must simplify its fleet. DL has something like 12 different types of aircraft including sub fleets, that will likely be reduced down to 3-4 in the coming years.

He specifically mentioned he would like to see a single domestic narrowbody fleet, plus a couple widebody types for domestic and international service.

If one takes these comments at faces value, it could be the future Delta might be built around the 737NG, 757/767 familes.








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User currently offlineJeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

Lrgt: The MD-90 has greater differences between itself and the MD-88 other than just engines. While they might superficially resemble each other, they are very different aircarft.

Why must another carrier bore us with a 737NG fleet. I take the -90 over a 737 any day! I know it financially makes sense but I can dream!

JeckPDX



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User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

The major issue will be the V-2500 engines. For a small pool of 16 aircraft it means that mechanics need to be trained and certified, spares kept and all the rest.

Duplication of engine types is a cost that can be reasonably cut, and engines are the big ticket item.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4839 times:

Could FL have given them an offer they cannot refuse? FL has been short on airplanes recently even with their new 737s coming in.


An offer for what? The MD-90s?

At some point, there may have been a large amount of commonality between the MD-90 and the MD-95, but Boeing took care of that very early on.

N


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

Lrgt:

Along with the engines the MD-90 has different electrical system and hydraulically powered elevators. Then there's the different vertical tail fin cap, different flap fairing's and the MD-90 is five feet longer.


User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

"Was Delta the sole MD-90 customer? Maybe SAS and China Airlines ordered a few as well..."

I believe Saudia Airlines have some too. And didn't Reno Air used to operate some, or were they MD-88's?


User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Yep.. Reno had them.. Even American used them for a bit after the purchase.. Remember these beauties?


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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3014 times:
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Delta are in big trouble,unless they sort things quick,they will visit C11,on to the MD-90.

Given the small fleet number,they are just a cost unit,the sooner they get rid of them the better.

Yes,the 772 fleet is smaller,but they are needed for long haul inc NRT flights MD-90 can be replaced by 737 & MD-80 aircraft.



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25 SESGDL : "One of the things mentioned was that carrier must simplify its fleet. DL has something like 12 different types of aircraft including sub fleets, that
26 DfwRevolution : That 3-4 fleet type idea isn't happening, the airlines simply don't have the money, and by the time they do the 757 will be old. Plus, the MD-88s aren
27 Deltadude8 : But the fact is ...DL doesnt have the spare cash (or so they say) to pick up 16 new 737's...The MD90s by the way from a customer standpoint as well as
28 Ts-ior : This would interest AMC Airlines, Onur Air, Freebird, MNG Airlines and others...
29 Dutchjet : The MD90 issue is a very difficult one for DL - with only 16 in the fleet, it does not make much economic sense to keep them, but there is vitually no
30 DAirbus : Well said Dutchjet. Your post mirrors my opinions exactly. It's all about costs. Even eliminating an aircraft type from the fleet costs money at times
31 FlyPNS1 : DL has said that if they can reduce turn times and increase utilization, they can "create" an additional 20-30 planes. That would allow for DL to elim
32 Post contains images Starlionblue : Maybe SAS could get rid of some 737NGs and augment their huge fleet of 7 MD-90s. Love love love those planes. The pilots I have talked to feel the sam
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