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MEL Busier Than SYD?  
User currently offlinePitrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3204 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Melbourne passenger traffic seems to be growing at a fast pace. They served about 20 million passengers (up about 20%) in the past 12 months. SYD served about 24 million in 2003. With this growth, I was wondering if anyone down under thinks MEL will ever be busier than SYD. Was there ever a time when MEL was busier?

It is my understanding that MEL has land for more runways, even though I have been unsuccessful so far in finding a master plan for the airport online. If anyone can find an airport plan (map), please post a link. Thanks!


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User currently offlineAirbear From Australia, joined May 2001, 648 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

Hi. I guess it might be possible, if only because MEL is a 24-hr operation, whereas SYD has a 2300-0600 jet curfew (717 & BAe146's excepted). This is, however, of limited value due to arrival times at other airports on the other side of the world, if a 0400 London or LAX flight were to be scheduled. And most domestic travel would be similarly affected (e.g. who would want to travel to BNE or wherever, at 0300!) Also SYD is the most politically constrained airport in Oz, capped artificially at 80 mvmts/hr. for no real reason.

Both airports seem to be in a similar state of readiness (i.e. barely...) for the A380 which will be flown in early in that a/c's service life to both apts., by QF, SQ and EK so, I don't believe that will be a factor. It will be close result numbers-wise.

That said, Sydney (and here please appreciate I am risking my life in saying this  Smile) would seem to be the perennial favourite gateway to Oz for foreigners, esp. tourists, so this might keep SYD just ahead of MEL, in the end.

BTW, my "home" apt. is SYD. Hope this gives you some more info/insight.


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Please sources to back up figures if you will!!!!


"SYD served about 24 million in 2003"
Sorry wrong Sydney Airport just reported 26.4 million passenger year ending June 2004 (Sournce Sydney Morning Herald


MEL Busier Than SYD?
definitely not in International traffic
Year End Dec 2003 (source DOTARS)

Sydney traffic actually outgrew Melbourne in growth in the last year.

Sydney International Traffic approx 7.9 million passengers 48.2% share of all Australian International traffic
Whilst Melbourne on 3.2 million passengers 19.5% share of traffic

So long as Sydney keeps winning accolades like Worlds best city only last month by American Express and Qantas keeps Sydney as it's international Hub it is highly unlikely Melbourne will ever handle more traffic than Sydney (although I imagine it does on one off days such as Grand Prix, Melbourne Cup days and most surely will when it's hosts the commonwealth Games in 2006)

For future runway layouts on Melbourne, you can click on the street directory, it shows current and future alignments for Melbourne Airport, just use the search suburb for Melbourne Airport.
http://www.street-directory.com.au/aus_new/index.cgi



User currently offlinePositive rate From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 2143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Out of the 2 i prefer MEL. I like the terminal layout better and the terminal just seems a lot more user friendly in my opinion. MEL's 24 hour unrestricted ops is good for freight planes- they come and go all hours of the night as i found out once when i stayed at a motel near MEL airport- there aint nothing like a 747 at full reverse thrust to wake you at 3am haha.

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9661 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

On MEL's website it says that there were 16.92 million total passengers last year and SYD is 24.82 million passengers. However domestically it is close. MEL is at 13.5 while SYD is at 14.6, so MEL could surpass SYD eventually, and the extra hours of operation can help that.

I do see MEL growing a little more internationally because international flights are starting to bypass SYD more. The new QF flights to LAX and flights to Asia should help boost MEL, but SYD is still the premier international destination in Australia.



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User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1659 times:

MEL certainly has the potential to grow as there are several untapped markets for direct flights, however SYD will always have a larger share of traffic - it is Australia's major tourist destination and that wont change.

I would like to see MEL gain direct flights to South Africa and Seoul.
Also, I wonder if Australian Airlines plans to mount more flights via MEL, like extra SYD-BKI flights through MEL.
Royal Brunei should also consider MEL - they get SYD later on in the year, giving them access to PER, DRW, BNE and SYD. If they serve these markets, there is no reason to ignore MEL altogether.


User currently offlineQantasclub From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 757 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1638 times:


There is no doubt that MEL is a smoother operation than SYD, is less congested, more efficient, less delays etc. ANY domestic traveller will readily tell you how annoying it is to transit Sydney.

Syd will always be bigger and busier than MEL. It is the most beautiful city in the world and the city itself has such a high ranking amongst international travellers that it will always win the lion's share of direct and new flights. Melbourne is a great city (and in terms of liveability-beats Sydney hollow) but just doesn't have the same international profile.
What I like about Melbourne's airport is the 3 terminals in 1 design which allows for smooth terminal transfers without having to cath a bus between terminals.




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User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1607 times:



Heya

As Melbourne is my home airport, I would have to say as much as I like it, Sydney will always be the main entry point to OZ for visitors. More international carriers operate to Sydney. If an airline deems that they want to fly to OZ, they can't always justify the capacity. Therefore if you were to have 1 destination to Australia, where would it be? Sydney.

ALthough, I love the fact that Melbourne introduced Emirates to OZ and will do the same for Qatar Airways later in the year. Lets hope Qatar has similar success to that of EK.



User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1574 times:

I really would like to see more movements in the midnight-3am window. Ideally, arrivals would not be a good idea but you could still have departures up to the "decent" hour of 0200ish.
This would work really well for red-eye departures to New Zealand, something all the airlines that fly the route seem to have totally ignored.
It would worlk like this, dep NZ around 8 pm, arrive 10-11pm in MEL, and then depart MEL between midnight-1am, for a dawn arrival in NZ, which will allow morning connections to other key cities in NZ. Seems ideal for a Pacific Blue flight.
I wonder why Emirates dont just depart for AKL around 0230, after the arrival from DXB/SIN at around 0100.


User currently offlinePitrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3204 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

Thanks for the replys.

For those who asked, I got my MEL stats from:
http://www.melair.com.au/corporate_info/media_release.asp?id=213
19.2 million pax might me more accurate for 2003 than the 20 million I gave.

I got my SYD stats from:
http://www.sydneyairport.com.au/NR/rdonlyres/eegkcbf4cydahgoyj2qf4etzu66bxgowkbjxatf6ttbum76pdtolvdv64klgnzwc6uwu5e3l4oe5v5kfeewq543mjje/SydAirAR03.pdf
I hope this link works. If not, it's page 10 of the 2003 SYD annual report, available on the airport's website. It shows about 24 million pax at SYD for 2003.

I agree that Sydney is an incredibly attractive city. I was amazed when I went there. However, I also hear great things about Melbourne as well, and plan on going there sometime. With Qatar, Emirates, and the new Jetstar base, it looked for a while as if MEL might be closing the gap on SYD



FLYi
User currently offlinePitrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3204 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Well that was a totally screwed up reply. Here's what I was trying to say:


Thanks for the replys.

For those who asked, I got my MEL stats from:
http://www.melair.com.au/corporate_info/media_release.asp?id=213
19.2 million pax might me more accurate for 2003 than the 20 million I gave.

I got my SYD stats from:
Page 10 of the 2003 SYD annual report, available on the airport's website. It shows about 24 million pax at SYD for 2003. Had some problems with that link.

I agree that Sydney is an incredibly attractive city. I was amazed when I went there. However, I also hear great things about Melbourne as well, and plan on going there sometime. With Qatar, Emirates, and the new Jetstar base, it looked for a while as if MEL might be closing the gap on SYD



FLYi
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