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User currently offlinePilotNtrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

For those interested or can watch, the report on AA Flight 191 is on right now on the History Channel.


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User currently offlinePilotNtrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Well somebody beat me to it lol.... sorry


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User currently offlineTbonnie From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Not till 8 PM on the West Coast

User currently offlinePilotNtrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Another factor I didn't consider, I guess I was a little too excited on my post.Thanks TBonnie Smile


I do have a question for you MTC folks out there. Were the airlines that used the one-step procedure to remove the number one or number three engines on the DC-10, just lazy or was that a cost saving procedure? The Number one engine that blew off flight 191 was caused by this procedure and the damage it caused. I am surprised that AA didn't not use the recommended procedure for removing the engine and pylon from McDonnell Douglas.

Regards,


Brad



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User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 731 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2810 times:

First time seeing it on tv and I must add I never realized how much investigation and legal stuff it involved! I also did not know that the AA employee committed suicide.
Such a tragedy!



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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

It was interesting to say the least. The real shock was the one man who lost his brother on flight 191 and in March of 1962, lost his parents on AA flight one, a 707 that crashed a few seconds after taking off from JFK to LAX.
The show will be re broadcast at midnight eastern time, tonight.
safe



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Unbelievable! A great documentary. I enjoyed and lose what little respect I had left for AA. That was sad that by cutting corners they caused the death of so many. No matter what industry, it all boils down to the bottom line. Faster, cheaper, smaller, better. So sad. Found it interesting that one of the men involved at AA's main service location in Tulsa took his own life. He did the honorable thing. For his mistake was preventable and caused much pain.

User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

Good show. I enjoyed watching it and learning a little more about that crash. Also, though the host is a dork, Mail Call came on right after with the X-35 and UAV as guests.

Cheers!  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3630 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

I thought the show was a little boring - focused too much on the litigation, for one thing, and while I appreciate the fact that there's probably not much real footage of the accident and investigation, I particularly was annoyed by the staged courtroom antics and some of the other reenactments (not to mention a lot of the old shots of planes they were using were not even close to being a DC-10 - there was one shot of a couple guys crowding around a little tiny nosegear with wheels about 16" high that almost made me laugh!).

I do have a question for you MTC folks out there. Were the airlines that used the one-step procedure to remove the number one or number three engines on the DC-10, just lazy or was that a cost saving procedure?

Nobody comes up with a procedure like this because they're "just lazy". It was a time-saving procedure, which means a cost-saving procedure.

The actual accident report is more interesting than this documentary was: http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR79-17.pdf

People always defend the DC-10 in the face of what happened to it after this accident, but you'll notice the design of the DC-10-10 is listed as a contributing factor in the accident. Apparently the flange clearance on the DC-10-30 was such that this type of maintenance-induced crack was a lot less likely even using the same procedure. And of course the design of the hydraulic systems was also a contributing factor, as was mentioned in the show.



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