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Boeing At Farnborough: Why A 747 And Not A 777  
User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7855 times:

Yesterday, I was at Farnborough and had a great time as usual.

I was pleased to see so many different fighters, although I think that demonstrations were shorter than the previous year (1996-1998).

But I was surprised to see that Boeing came with the 747-400 (SAA and Cathay Pacific, the latter in a nice livery) and not a Boeing 737 NG or even a 777-300.

Although a wonderful plane, the 747 is not the most recent plane. So I was wondering why they came with a 744, is it to bring some sort of competition to the A380 or simply because they have seen no points in showing the 773.

Does anyone has a clue??

However, it was wonderful to see a display with the 747!!!

Nick



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11307 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7728 times:
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Tolosy

You have to remember that it costs an airline money to withdraw an aircraft to bring an aircraft to an aviation show due to loss of revenue. Even if the plane is at a nearby airport as was the case with the CX B744, but it will still cost the airline thousands of dollars in petrol costs just to do like a 10 minute flying display. The CX B744 was used most likly cause CX only had a B744 available at LHR and no other airline was wiling to fly a plane to the show just to do like a 10 minute display. Hope this answers your question.

User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7680 times:

Apparantly Rolls Royce paid CX and SAA for the displays. I'm sure the major factor is using 744s were the four Rolls Royce RB211s.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9597 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7642 times:

I read somewhere the reason was some Rolls-Royce anniversary.

And - the 747 is far more popular than a 777.
Plus Boeing might have been fearing that the Airbus competition aircraft A340 would steal "the cream of the show" (orders). What didn´t happen as VS delayed its decision.

User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7578 times:

Personally I feel it's because the 747 has the WOW!!!!! factor with aviation enthusiasts and the general public whereas the 777 just doesn't have the same appeal by a long way. As has been mentioned all aircraft from the A340-600 to the Spitfire XIX at the Farnborough Air Show were Rolls Royce powered for their 100 year celebrations. The display of the 747's were most probably organised by Rolls Royce directly with the SAA and Cathay Pacific and not through Boeing.


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User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

Thanks for your reply.

It makes sense, but I thought that Boeing for Farnborough would make more efforts.

ANA, yes the A340-600 was flying in the Airbus livery.

it was great to see both the 747-400 and the 340-600.

Nick

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7673 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

It probably also has something, or rather everything, to do with the availability of a 777-300ER demonstrator. Since the plane is already out of the certification process and in revenue service they don't have any lying around that are their own planes to bring over to Farnborough. And the airlines that are operating them don't want to pull them out of service for a display.


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User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7344 times:

Boeing also had a 737-900 at the show. Not sure if it flew any demo runs, but it was most certainly there - painted in the 7E7 colors.




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User currently offlineANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7185 times:

Incidentally there was no 747 on trade days, so this was a keep the public happy, I imagine.



User currently offlineBen From Switzerland, joined Aug 1999, 1391 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7159 times:

From the reports topic in the non-av forum: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/602489/

Here is Saturday's 747:











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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8298 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

Because the world's best airshow flying display airline doesn't have any 777s!


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

True, a SA 777 would look absolutely great.

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8298 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5869 times:

not going to happen I'm afraid, there was talk of it several years ago but with the current Airbus refit it's right out of the picture.


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1588 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

May I hazard an opinion, and state that it may be the last time a 747 holds the reign as the "biggest passenger" jet and 'wows' the crowd, before the A380 debuts?

Could be just Boeing playing mind-games, and throwing out the proverbial "nah nah" tongue-sticking-out moment "We did it first!!!" (coupled with the facts that others have stated, i.e, nearest airline who was willing to fly in, was South African, costs $$ etc)

And, who would blame them? The 747 is a truly magificent and majestic bird, and we will forever remember it as the "TRUE" first ever "Jumbo Jet".

Long live the 747.

1011yyz




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User currently offlineDl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11433 posts, RR: 81
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4715 times:
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imho Boeing really has no reason to spend the $ to put a big airliners at the show until something really different comes along. It costs boeing a good bit more to fly something over from Renton or Everett than it does to bring it from Toulouse and Boeing has already displayed all the new product. I have a hunch that the 7E7 will be the next really big Boeing display at an airshow. Until then we will have to be happy with the excellent displays and the odd 73G or Connexion bird.


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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3741 times:

Why not take a 772 off of UA's hands for a while? They don't seem to have many going in and out of storage. They look like they'll be there for a while.....

UA777222


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User currently offlineComfortzone From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Boeing also had a 737-900 at the show. Not sure if it flew any demo runs, but it was most certainly there - painted in the 7E7 colors.

Are you sure it was a 737-900? - due to my information it was 737-700 D-ABBN of Air Berlin in 7E7 colors


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User currently offlineXwizard From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2004, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

Yes, the 737-900 was there on static display, but had Korean Air on the tail

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