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American Airlines S80?  
User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 17123 times:



Why is American Airlines the only carrier (to my knowledge) that has the S80. Or should it be, why did they rename the MD80?
And if they did rename it, then whats so damn SUPER about it?
Why the change?



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User currently offlineClrd2go From United States of America, joined Feb 2003, 1000 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days ago) and read 17036 times:


I don't know that I can answer all of your questions, but I believe that
when the "S80" was first built, it was referred to as the "DC9 Super 80"..
"Super" because it was an improvement over the DC9 and "80" because
of the year of it's introduction (or development) 1980


Jim



What a long strange trip it's been
User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16996 times:

Cragley - why are you always looking to start a fight over AA. Have you ever flown on an AA MD-80? Have you experienced the comfort of MRTC? What's your complaint about the 80's, other than the fact that they have been the backbone for the world's largest, and one of the most progressive, legacy carriers?




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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16966 times:

Cragley - why are you always looking to start a fight over AA. Have you ever flown on an AA MD-80? Have you experienced the comfort of MRTC? What's your complaint about the 80's, other than the fact that they have been the backbone for the world's largest, and one of the most progressive, legacy carriers?
Hold on, folks. It was just a simple question that I believe had no intentions of starting an argument.

If I remember correctly, AA wanted to distinguish its MD-80s (DC-9s) from other airlines'.

 Smile
-Will



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User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16908 times:


AA7573E?????

I have been a member 1 week. Always trying to start an argument over american? Its the first time I have mentioned them.
Stand tall ma man.

And yes, I have flown the S80 twice and was greatly dissapointed.
DFW to YVR.

Thanks Will.
But is American the only airline with the MD80? If not, then why didnt other airlines follow suit and rename theirs?


User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16892 times:

Delta, Continental, Spirit, Alaska all fly the MD80 (although COA is phasing them out) and they are all American operators.


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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16877 times:

Cragley,
Why did other carriers not name it the Super 80...you got me!  Smile Why don't other carriers call their aircraft Luxury Liners (also an American thing)? As mentioned, the aircraft was originally called the DC-9 Super 80, before getting the new moniker of MD80 series.

As for carriers in your neck of the woods, Alitalia and SAS are the biggest operators with at least 90 and 72 each at one point (this includes different models: the -81, -82, -83, etc.). Some other notable European carriers who operate/operated a decent sized fleet of MD80s are/were Aero Lloyd, AOM, Austrian, Finnair, Iberia, Meridana, Spanair, and many other operators in the area with a couple. Some of these are in the process of replacing them with newer Boeings or Airbuses, but the MD-80 was still a popular model. It also had success with other airlines like Japan Air System (now merged with JAL), Korean Air, and some of the Chinese carriers (mainly with models built under license in China) in Asia and airlines like Avianca, Aviaco, and Aerolineas Arentinas in Latin America.

USAirways and Trans World used to operate large fleets, but have since been disposed in the first case and absorbed into AA in the second case. Needless to say, it was quite a popular and successful aircraft. There were 976 DC-9s built, about 1200 MD-80 series built, close to 100 MD-90s built, and the 717 (formerly the MD-95) is likely in the vicinity of 125-150 aircraft built. Sorry, I will try to find exact figures for the latter three models.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17035 posts, RR: 67
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16830 times:

Alitalia also calls it the Super-80. It is even written on the engines. You can see it clearly here:


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From "Douglas Jetliners" by Guy Norris and Chuck Wagner, page 51:

"... By August 1977, the design was firming up around the Series 55 proposal. It had also become clear that, with a projected time of entry into service around 1980, DAC marketers should take advantage of the timing by calling the new project DC-9 Series 80."

I guess the step to "Super" wasn't long.

Note that American Eagle is also guilty of a similar thing. They call the ATR-72 "Super ATR".



And yes, I have flown the S80 twice and was greatly dissapointed.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I'm just curious as to why. Were you sitting in the ass of the plane, AKA the noise pit?


[Edited 2004-07-26 17:26:04]

[Edited 2004-07-26 17:27:33]


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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16796 times:

They're a great plane and have served their owners well. I don't mind the noise levels in the rear...and in the front it's super quiet.

User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16794 times:

I have flown on countless MD-80 flights with TWA and American. I cant say I have any complaints about the flights. What exactly what so dissappointing about it? I seat on an airplane is a seat on an airplane no matter what type it is. Maybe it was the service onboard that aircraft that you werent happy with?

User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16765 times:

Next time you are on an AA MD-80, look at the safety card. AA calls it the "Boeing Super 80"


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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16739 times:

Next time you are on an AA MD-80, look at the safety card. AA calls it the "Boeing Super 80"
No, on the safety card it is just called "Super 80".

Their website lists the Super 80 as an MD-80 and also by Boeing, but Boeing never made it. http://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/ourPlanes/boeingMD80.jhtml

 Smile
-Will



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User currently offlineAa717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 16732 times:

MDD marketed it as the "super 80" for a short time. AA was one of the first customers and kept the name. Airlines do that. You can call it habit or tradition or whatever. Shortly after its introduction, MDD started calling its airplanes "MD-" as a result of a corporate makeover. I guess they wanted to distance themselves from the Douglas Corporation.

I'm glad they didn't change the DC-10 to MD-10. The "Death Cruiser" nickname was so appropriate...TC

P.S.--DC-10 fans, spare me the outrage. The -10 was a half-assed design because MDD went cheap to undercut the L1011. They were successful and it cost several hundred people their lives.



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 16697 times:

American Airlines

Super 80


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User currently offlineMakeMinesLax From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16584 times:

Note that American Eagle is also guilty of a similar thing. They call the ATR-72 "Super ATR".

"Guilty" is a rather strong term since there's nothing unusual or deceptive in this case - the ATR-72 is a super-sized ATR-42; think of the Super Caravelle, etc. Actually, the DC-9 Super 80 nomenclature isn't so strange in light of its older siblings - the DC-8 Super 60/70.

Now, the Super Guppy is another matter, since there was no plain-ol' "Guppy"
 Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineBjg231 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16579 times:

"seat on an airplane is a seat on an airplane no matter what type it is."


Well that's not exactly true. Would you rather fly on a CRJ with shoulder intrusion and ankle level windows or an MD80, with 2+3 configuration and more room? Or you could compare the comfort of a widebody to a single aisle plane. I suppose you may argue that among similar classes of airplanes the seats are the same, but think of an MD80 with 2+3 seating compared to an A320 with 3+3.



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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16557 times:

Dissapointed? What were you expecting on a domestic (Canada is considered domestic) MD80 on AA. You're not going to get a whole lot. You get a decent seat and a safe ride.

I think AA's S80's kick the crap out of CO M80s and CO 735's.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8228 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 16482 times:

I've had a lot of flights on AA's Super 80s and have found them to be as good as any single aisle plane I've flown. When flying on one, however, it's rather important to get as close to the front as possible.

Even more important, I believe that they are a solid performer for AA - and have been over the years.

I seem to recall that AA got a rather good deal when they ordered the planes and that was one of the critical keys to their long term success.

Until AA's financial position changes for the better there will be a lot of opportunities to fly the Super 80.


User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 16384 times:

I stand corrected. It is called the Boeing MD-80.

It was the fleet guide in the magazine, also available on the web:

http://www.aa.com/content/aboutUs/ourPlanes/boeingMD80.jhtml



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User currently offlineAASTEW From Dominican Republic, joined Oct 2001, 447 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16273 times:

People often dislike AA Super 80's because they have no IFE.

US society is very much pleased on a airplane nowadays with TV's and Cheap tickets. That's it! Nobody READS anymore. Typical of our society today! TV and Cheap Tickets is good customer service to them....

By the way, has anyone been on a Jetblue flight without DirectTV working and noticed the difference between the customers boredom point? Just a thought!


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5225 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16207 times:

The reason that McD called the plane the Super 80 was because of its greatly increased payload and range, as well as the uprated version of the JT8-D engines.

By the way, I think FedEx has upgraded some its DC-10s into MD-10s. I think this is when a DC-10 gets MD-11 avionics and instrumentation.

My only complaint about the MD-80 is the lack of IFE. It's not a problem on a 2-hour flight, but a flight over 4 hours gets very boring. The problem is a combination of weight, and the fact that the ceiling is lower than Boeing models, so more people would hit their heads on the monitors.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16151 times:

The reason they call it the super-80 is because they were the launch customer and marketed it that way. They actually did not change the name until a short time after the plane entered service, so AA kept their launch name


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User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16118 times:



Thanks heaps for the info guys  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Reason for dissapointment was that I had just flown on an AA777 from gatwick with awesome seating and amazing IFE. Then you get to Dallas and have to cram onto a tiny (and what seemed very flimsy) plane for the next 4 hours with nothing to do. No IFE at all and its the same airline? Maybe it was due to the inconsistency in quality on American's part. You travel on a world class international service, only for them to put you on an MD80 with no IFE.
That totals 1 third of my journey doing nothing.
When the plane went through any turbulence it seemed to rattle and be easily thrown around.
I have flown with Alaska from LAX on a 737 and while there was plenty of turbulance, it seemed fine.

Once again, thanks people for clearing this up


User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16110 times:

"Cragley - why are you always looking to start a fight over AA. Have you ever flown on an AA MD-80? Have you experienced the comfort of MRTC? What's your complaint about the 80's, other than the fact that they have been the backbone for the world's largest, and one of the most progressive, legacy carriers?"



All I can say is that those MD80 are the least favourite plane from AA. Compare to a 777 or 330 or even a 321 I think the MD80 is inferior and there is nothing SUPER about it.


User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15889 times:

"All I can say is that those MD80 are the least favourite plane from AA. Compare to a 777 or 330..."

How can you possibly compare these a/c? A 777 is certainly not in the same category as an MD-80. Enough with the cheap shots to AA just b/c they fly the MD80. And although not my favorite a/c to fly, I would have to say that AA has made the MD-80's more comfortable than other airlines I've flown, even on the A319/20/21 (F9 and USAirways).



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25 Miamiair : I fly MD-80s to Colombia all the time; no gripes. AA's Super 80's have more room and as long as I sit forward of the rear end of the wing, noise is no
26 StarCruiser : I fly AA's Super 80s all the time and love the MRTC especially. I am especially grateful that AA has dropped so many RJs for Super 80s on the ORD - IN
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