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An Airport In Europe Where (almost) No One Flies  
User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7600 times:

Browsing through various destination maps I noticed that Minsk, Belarus (MSQ) seems to be completely ignored and forgotten by vast majority of European Airlines. Reason? Is it Lukashenko's oppressive regime that prevents any business interests to develop there? Or just the geographic proximity of Vilnius and Warsaw being not too distant as well. But both countries are EU members now, which makes cross border travel more difficult.
Anyone with more insight, please explain.

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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

Also destinations like Bratislava, Tirana and Tallinn aren't exactly served by much from what i know.

-Stephen


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

I hear the main airport in Elbonia is pretty desolate... The Elbonian member of the forum can probably give details on who flies there though.

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7414 times:

I most cases, the reason would be, that there is NO demand ...

There are hundreds of such destinations where we could argue why not more carriers fly there. Just to name a few: WDH, BWN, VTE, BRN, ULN, FNJ etc (to list capitals only)




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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

As for Minsk and why it remains an aviation black-hole, L410turbolet, you hit the proverbial nail on the head! (as we say in America)
You see, there is virtually no market for air travel in the country as the Belarusian economy is hampered by high inflation, persistent trade deficits, and ongoing rocky relations with Russia, Belarus' largest trading partner and energy supplier. Business is bad, and the local population worries more about being able to afford a loaf of bread, let alone an airline ticket to anywhere.
Belarus has seen little structural reform since 1995, when President Lukashenko launched the country on the path of "market socialism." In keeping with this policy, Lukashenko reimposed administrative controls over prices and currency exchange rates and expanded the state's right to intervene in the management of private enterprises.
As a business owner or even a manager, one must cope with frequent and arbitrary changes in regulations and retroactive application of new business regulations. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Penalties can range from steep fines to even prison! It all boils down to how much money the local or central government needs on that particular day!
With all this said, it appears that Belarus is lucky even to see any airline service at all. It would seem that the Belarusan government does everything in its power to discourage airline service, among other things.
One would say, why don't they throw this idiot Lukashenko out of office? Well, in the last general election, he received over 75% of the vote.
Rigged? Good question.
I hope this helped.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7420 times:

TALLINM - Estonian Air, SAS, Lufthansa, Volare, Czech Airlines, Air France, Finnair

TIRANA - Adria, Malev, Alitalia, Austrian, Volare, Olympic, JAT, Turkish

BRATISLAVA - Czech Airlines, SkyEurope, LOT, Slovak Airlines, Air Slovakia, Austrian, Aeroflot

MINSK - LOT, Belavia, El Al, Austrian, Lufthansa

interesting statistics about Minsk airport:

passengers

1996 - 531,567
1997 - 514,024
1998 - 480,372
1999 - 404,664
2000 - 401,239
2001 - 422,778
2002 - 394,594

a/c movements

1996 - 6,337
1997 - 5,217
1998 - 5,001
1999 - 4,748
2000 - 4,329
2001 - 4,321
2002 - 4,106



User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5743 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

Swissgabe,
I was talking about Europe only!  Insane So listing Pyongyang or Ulanbatar is rather pointless. And Bern is in Switzerland and ZRH or GVA are hardly "ignored" or "forgotten" by airlines.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

L410Turbolet, why is Minsk in constant decline? anything to do with the break up of the Soviet Union?

Horus




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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

Horus-
Read reply #4
That explains everything and answers your question.
Stirling



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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7312 times:

The major airlines seem to fly there HERE IS A TIMETABLE OF AIRLINES AND TIMES ECT http://www.airport.by/timetable.php

User currently offlineNewkai From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 7270 times:

Bratislava is know being promoted in Vienna as "Vienna-Bratislava" (as if it were a Vienna airport). Some airlines such as Sky Europe offer free parking and free transportation to/from Vienna. I think there are also plans to extend Vienna's CAT (City Airport Train) to that airport.

Seeing that it's only 45 minutes by car away from Vienna, I guess the name is ok... Unlike Frankfurt-Hahn, which is over two hours away from downtown Frankfurt!


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2262 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

You guys are forgetting the Belorussia is so poor and undeveloped that people can't afford air traveling (especially not abroad) and business traffic is accordingly insignificant.

Of course Lukaschenko's policies have to do something with this too.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

CWL !


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User currently offlineCambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

CWL !

Ouch- that hurt! :-(

But come and have a look at CWL when there is a rugby match at the Millenium Stadium....


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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7033 times:

Belarus and Albania are probably the most underdeveloped countries in Europe and therefore lacking air traffic.
But there are some flights a day between Moscow and Minsk as well as the above mentioned airlines connecting MSQ with European hubs.


User currently offlineFinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

TALLINM - Estonian Air, SAS, Lufthansa, Volare, Czech Airlines, Air France, Finnair

You can add also Aero Airlines, Air Baltic, Airest, Avies, LOT and Lufthansa for the list of regular passenger airlines from TLL.

Best Regards,
FinnWings


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6857 times:

Re: But come and have a look at CWL when there is a rugby match at the Millenium Stadium....

How old is that picture ? TAT ? Oooh - memory lane flashback !


User currently offlineKuba74 From Poland, joined Mar 2000, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

What about Moldova and it`s capital Kishinev (Chisinau)? Which airlines fly there?
Kuba


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7313 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Just look at any Ryanair non hub airport, such as CCF, VST, LDY, etc.


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

Brussels!

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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6640 times:

Nîmes in France - one Ryanairflight / day ( soon big improvement a secondRyanairflight!!)
Otherwise nothing ...



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

How about Sheffield City (EGSY) in the UK?


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There is no longer an IATA code for it now either (was SZD).

I believe scheduled flights only lasted a couple of months after the airport originally opened.

Too much competition from LBA, MAN and HUY i believe.

Thanks

Lee



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

SZD is still a valid city/airport code. They have also linked Sheffield to Doncaster airport (is that Finningley ?)

SZD*C SHEFFIELD. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ./GB
. . . .A .SZD - SHEFFIELD. . . . . . . .- 0K. . . . . /GB
. . . .B .ZFG - SHEFFIELD BUS. . . . .- 0K. . . . . /GB
DSA C DONCASTER. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ./GB
. . . .A.DSA - SHEFFIELD . . . . . . . .- 0K. . . . . /GB


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1569 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

And others....

Lugano:
Lugano Airport is tiny, Lugano, capital of the Ticino canton of Switzerland, is not.

Swiss to Zurich/Kloten
FlyBaboo to Geneva/Cointrin

Florence/Amerigo Vespucci:
This is somewhat underserved, with all the people visiting Tuscany, but still relatively big compared to some mentioned in this thread. There are two new airlines there: FlyBaboo, Swiss (op. by Denim Airways).

Air France to Paris/CDG
Alitalia to Milan/Malpensa and Rome/Fiumicino
Austrian to Bologna and Vienna
Carpatair to Timisoara
Club Air to Verona, Bucharest and Tirane
Denim Airways, for Swiss, to Zurich/Kloten
FlyBaboo to Geneva/Cointrin
Lufthansa to Frankfurt am Main and Munich/F.J. Strauss
Meridiana to Amsterdam/Schipol, Barcelona, London/Gatwick, Catania, Olbia/Costa Smeralda and Palermo
SN Brussels Airlines to Brussels/Zaventem

Cardiff:
The Underserved Welsh capital only has four scheduled airlines, but has many charters, even trans-Atlantic. The scheduled airlines are:

Air Wales to Amsterdam/Schipol, Dublin, Jersey, London City, Newcastle, Plymouth and Swansea
bmibaby to Cork, Belfast Int'l, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Jersey, Prague, Paris/CDG, Geneva/Cointrin, Toulouse, Palma, Alicante and Malaga
KLM to Amsterdam/Schipol
Ryanair to Dublin

Exeter:
Flybe's base is also nearly entirely flybe: the only other airline is Isles of Scilly Skybus.

Flybe to Dublin, Faro, Alicante, Malaga, Belfast City, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Guernsey, Jersey and Newcastle
Isles of Scilly Skybus to St. Martin?

Nimes: Ryanair to Stansted, once a day. Wow.




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User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2823 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6468 times:

SOU and SEN!  Big thumbs up

Chris



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25 Post contains links Newkai : Oh, I'd have to add BRQ (Brno, Czech Republic). It's the second-largest city in the Czech Republic with a population of nearly 400,000 and its county
26 Newkai : Oh, and Manni, If you think Brussels is bad, try Berlin! 3.4 million people and no non-stop flight to the US. Same goes for Hamburg with around 1.8 mi
27 JGPH1A : Re: On the other side of things, Stuttgart (pop. 590,000) has the daily DL ATL service, and even worse, Zurich (pop. 365,000), with all those LX fligh
28 Post contains images Sulman : "SOU and SEN! Chris" Oi! You'll take that back when Flybe orders the mythical 737s!
29 EclipseFlight7 : What about Moldova and it`s capital Kishinev (Chisinau)? Which airlines fly there? I don't know about airlines, but there is a flight with three young
30 Radelow : It still amazes me how small Hamburg's airport is. I have been traveling there almost every year for 20+ years now and it hasn't grown much at all!!!!
31 OV735 : I hear the main airport in Elbonia is pretty desolate... The Elbonian member of the forum can probably give details on who flies there though. Where's
32 Post contains images JGPH1A : Elbonia is the small, mud-soaked region of France immediately surrounding Chambery, populated by bearded lefties in tall hats, and pigs. Its in the mi
33 Post contains links PROSA : What about Moldova and it`s capital Kishinev (Chisinau)? Which airlines fly there? The airport (KIV) has a site at http://www.airport.md, but it won't
34 Pelican : @Newkai Stuttgart may have only 587.000 inhabitans but the agglomeration of Stuttgart has 2,59 million inhabitans, thus it's the third biggest metropo
35 Newkai : "On the other side of things, Stuttgart (pop. 590,000 AND THE MERCEDES FACTORY ) has the daily DL ATL service, and even worse, Zurich (pop. 365,000 AN
36 Whitehatter : Carlisle CAX/EGNC Waste of a code....but there are apparently plans to develop the airport. Current services precisely zilch.
37 Post contains links Airconti : just found the following covering an interesting spot in Greece: KZS - Kastelorizo http://www.hcaa-eleng.gr/kastelor.htm just one daily flight out of
38 Post contains images VS4ever : Can I add CVT to that little list too. I hear they have at least one flight (but I think it's a charter), but the rest I believe are down to cattle (d
39 FraT : A smaller population doesn't mean that the city shouldn't deserve intercontinental flights. There are other reasons. FRa only has a pop. of 500.000 an
40 Russophile : MINSK - LOT, Belavia, El Al, Austrian, Lufthansa Plus Aeroflot, RubyStar, Kaliningradavia, Dagestan Airlines, UTair, Kish Air. There are plenty of fli
41 Airconti : Russophile, concerning FAE - Vagar - it's at least a once daily service by Maersk to CPH as well (op/b 735) and also occasional service to BLL. RZ off
42 Alespesl : Dont forget airport like Ostrava (OSR), Brno(BRQ) in Czech Republic. There are almost no airlines that fly there. These airports would be dead except
43 Kl911 : '''Nîmes in France - one Ryanairflight / day ( soon big improvement a secondRyanairflight!!) Otherwise nothing ... ''' No, Ryanair has already 2 flig
44 Mika10021 : My hometown airport of Thessaloniki (SKG).Domestic flights only by Olympic and Aegean Airlines.International airlines are Cyprus Airways,Alitalia,Swis
45 Post contains images TransPac : I know this might amaze some of you but Lutenblag, capitol of Molvania, isnt served by ANY airline!?! www.molvania.com
46 Alespesl : Mika10021: dont forget that CSA Czech Airlines flies to SKG
47 Kuba74 : There are some Polish regional airports like Rzeszow /RZE/, Szczecin /SZZ/ where LOT Polish Airlines is the only scheduled flights operator. Some of t
48 Post contains links and images Jaspike : Can I add CVT to that little list too. I hear they have at least one flight (but I think it's a charter), but the rest I believe are down to cattle (d
49 Gilesdavies : How about Manston in Kent, England. It is in the very corner of the South East of England and surrounded by water on three sides. Miles from anywhere
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