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Airbus Plans To Take On The 7E7!  
User currently offlineVSFullThrottle From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 280 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

Found this in "The Business"

Airbus plans to take the Boeing 7E7 on by developing its A330 to be faster and cheaper to operate. They plan on doing this by using the same engines being developed for the dreamliner (7E7).

I find that kinda ironic.....

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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4410 times:

Just wait...ERJ will come out with a double-decker RJ in 2005. Double the space, double the annoyance.  Big thumbs up

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User currently offlineVSFullThrottle From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Now thats funny

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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4384 times:
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Airbus could quite easily do the required work for the new engines. They have the airframe as a proven unit,know the weight of that etc,they just need to change the systems.

In some respects,it is just what Boeing did to the 737 to make the 737NG.



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

And the likelihood of complete success against it's competitor (the 7E7) is about as big as the likelihood of the new B747-version that you mentioned in your other thread succeeding against the A380...

Both manufacturers are trying their best to keep their respective products alive... or at least keep the other from getting too many orders.

Both aren't really a surprise - but the success of either one remains to be seen.

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Haha, either that or a lovely 747-humped Avro! They have the engine power with the 4 bangers...why not??  Big thumbs up

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User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1368 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

More evidence that Airbus is working hard: the Seattle Times article on ANA's inking the contract with Boeing for the 7E7 contains this item (the quotation is from ANA president Yoji Ohashi):

"There were absolutely no political issues in the background whatsoever," he said. "We wanted a brand new airplane, and Airbus said they would not have one in the time we needed."

Airbus told All Nippon that it expected to have a replacement for its comparably sized A330 by 2012.






User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2445 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

This too, isn't news, we've been talking about this one, as well. Forget a complete systems revision that would be needed for the bleedless version of 7E7 engines, they'll use bleed-air adapted variants of those engines like the 747 Advanced. Changing the systems would be too expensive with the existing A332 which is also heavier, even if they modify the wing and fuselage panels with composites. It would waste money better spent on a new design. The revised A332 is a stopgap airplane to hold the market slot for Airbus until they can get the all-new design to market, nothing more. It will prolong the A332's production run by a few years but is not the long-term solution they need and WILL develop as soon as it's feasible.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7929 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

In my humble opinion, I think Airbus should kibosh the idea of an updated A330 and start on a "clean sheet" single-deck widebody airliner that will replace everything from the A300B all the way up to the A340-600. If Airbus doesn't commit to this by 2006 they're going to lose a LOT of sales to the Boeing 7E7, especially the medium-range 7E7-3 version so highly-desired by LH, SQ, and several other airlines.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 912 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Airbus could quite easily do the required work for the new engines. They have the airframe as a proven unit,know the weight of that etc,they just need to change the systems.

Actually, the re-engining would probably one of the most challenging aspects, second only to an all-new wing. Once you fit the new bleedless engines, you must rework every system that was previously dependent on bleed-air. Not such a small task anymore. A bleed-air version of the Trent 1000/GENEX would greatly simplify the whole mess, but you miss out on a respectable amount of weight and fuel savings.

In some respects,it is just what Boeing did to the 737 to make the 737NG.

Boeing built an all-new wing, fitted new engines, and integrated new systems for the 737NG. The 737NG was essentially an all-new airplane, only sharing a cross-section with its predecessor. If Airbus does this, they could be moderately successful.

But like I said before, engines alone won't get Airbus very far. Airbus might as well start over from scratch, keep the same cross-section, build a new wing, ect. Any direct A332 update will be a stopgap.

And, it waits to be seen, but the 7E7 could possibly leapfrog the A332 to the extent that an upgrade is impossible. The A320 didn’t do anything that extraordinary relative to the 733 (other than FBW, but that really proved irrelevant) so a 737 upgrade was possible.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

LOL...

Few more months and this topic will be right along "When will NW replace DC9s" lines...  Smile  Smile




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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

LOL... Few more months and this topic will be right along "When will NW replace DC9s" lines...

Yeah, probably... but it'll be third in line after "Boeing will build new version of the B747"...  Big grin



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