CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3000 times:
I just saw in another topic that Ghana Airways no longer can operate in USA. Now adding to these a bunch of other ones that used to be quite regular in the skies is s very sad scenario.
Airlines like Air Afrique, Air Zaire, Nigeria Airways, Sudan Airways, Somali Airways, Uganda Airlines, Zambia Airways, Air Malawi - all of them used to be great airlines that flew around Europe and USA now you don't see them no more or eventually you'll see them with leased airplanes. I remember seeing regulary in LHR Nigeria Airways flying the DC-10 and the 707, Air Zaire was a common sight in Brussels, Lisboa and Paris. Sudan Airways had regular flights to LHR too, Zambia de same with the nice looking DC-10, Uganda Airlines the same and even Somali at one point flew in Europe. really bad times for Africa!
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2955 times:
Airlines like Air Afrique, Air Zaire, Nigeria Airways, Sudan Airways, Somali Airways, Uganda Airlines, Zambia Airways, Air Malawi - all of them used to be great airlines that flew around Europe and USA now you don't see them no more or eventually you'll see them with leased airplanes.
Most of these airlines have been long gone. Sadly, the political situation in many of those countries affects the airlines.
I imagine that one day, many African carriers will begin service again.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2934 times:
Really pragmatic times for Africa, I'm afraid is more the reality. National carriers were an expensive and largely unnecessary luxury in a continent where such a huge percentage of the population barely has enough to eat, and certainly cannot afford to fly anywhere. Having the national carrier fly to London, Paris or Rome was a matter of national pride rather than economic necessity.
I think a lot of these carriers have died off as a result of IMF/World Bank requirements related to development loans - there is often an insistence that unecessary expediture be reduced in order to qualify for the loan, and a loss-making national airline is often the most visible target for such cuts.
I suspect that the future pattern will unfold as 3 or 4 large African carriers developing 4 or 5 significant long-haul and regional hubs in Africa, possibly taking over smaller local carriers to provide regional feed and bilateral legality to the thing. Look at SA opening hubs in DAR and LOS as well as JNB, and ET opening up its hub in ACC. Sensible hubs in sub-saharan Africa with good O&D as well as transfer traffic would probably be
JNB - SA - l/h to Europe/Asia/Australia/Americas
LOS - SA - l/h to Europe/Americas
DAR - SA - l/h to Europe/Asia
NBO - KQ - l/h to Europe/Asia/Australia
ABJ - KQ - l/h to Europe/Americas
ADD - ET - l/h to Europe/Asia/Americas
ACC - ET - l/h to Europe/Americas
I think ET's route structure of reliable and reasonably frequent multi-stop service all the way across the continent should be examined by other African airlines, since this seems to be the only way of providing economically viable service to many points on the continent. If such service is provided between hubs at opposite ends of the continent, and can be timed to coincide with intercontinental arrivals and departures from those hubs, reasonable service levels could be offered.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2844 times:
Looking at Nigeria´s population which almost equals that of the USA its surprising that they don´t have a national carrier with at least a dozen 747s.
Particularly if you see how many Nigerians are spread all over the world, how many of them travel regularly and pay the high fares of international top carriers.
On the other hand all Nigerians I know (and I know quite a lot) prefer to fly Lufthansa, BA or another major European carrier. And these carriers ask a premium to fly there, and the flight are packed! Frankfurt-Lagos costs more than Frankfurt-Hongkong or Singapore which is almost three times the mileage!
Quite interesting if you think about who travels these routes. I bet the average Hongkong-flyer has a lot more money in his pockets than the Lagos-traveller!
Lagos flights must be one of the last goldmines for airlines.
Dkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 724 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2827 times:
ET has 10 round trip flights to Lagos a week. All of these flights carry Nigerians going to Asia and the middle east. I think KQ has the same number of flights to Lagos.
ET has been successful throught it's 57 years of service. After all their solgan is "Africa's Link to the World"
Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2803 times:
AI will soon restart flights to LOS, after the fiasco in the end-80s.. the proposed route BOM-NBO-LOS could be a money-machine (business). Already today, airlines like ET, Egypyair, KQ etc. carry pax from India to Nigeria (LOS has a considerable Indian population, 200.000??)
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2774 times:
Of course we have sone good examples of sucess, I'm particulary happy with TAAG/Angola Airlines, they don't a big network but they do have some good international flights to Europe and also to Brazil.
My sadness goes of course to some countries that by their size and economy could have pretty good airlines, Nigeria is one of them, they have oil they should be quite healthy, well at least they were until 2000!
Air Afrique is another sad example, they were over the edge so many years, I remember seeing them since the 60's in JFK!!!!! They had a nice fleet with DC-10's that I saw in GVA many years ago, the countries that they worked with looked quite calm and even they stopped flying.
I also agree that Ethiopian is a great example of reliability and great sense of air service, I congratulate them!
Finally just a stimulating word to one of the most poor countries in the world, Mozambique that even like that they have a small fleet of airplanes but they keep going!
Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13284 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2343 times:
Most national government subsided airlines throughout the world are disappearing or are being privitized. As noted above, World Bank/INF loans requirements, as well as trade treaties are making unacceptable the government subsidised airline. There is also the economy of scale necessary for an airline, those whom are too small for the demand or don't run services they can maintain, are the ones dying. The survivors are probably those airlines who's governments don't interfere with their operations, have professional management and where the government's leaders don't use the airline as their personal place for patronage or their private fleet. The survivors are also those who have priority or advantages in their significant home markets and thus a pratical monopoly. What is also unfortunate is the total lack of any US based major or minor airlines operating anywhere to/from Africa, due to limited demands and security fears.
EurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2061 times:
I think North Africa belongs to another political and cultural world (that of the Middle East and Europe to some extent).
Since many of you are discussing Nigeria and its lack of a strong carrier... I dont think SAA will slip its chance to successfully buy into the new proposed Nigerian Eagle Airlines (NEA). There are still many delays in getting this new airline off the ground but this is not new in Nigeria, as the government has been shamelessly going in circles since years ago in getting a new airline started.
In any case, if NEA ever takes off, it will probably develop into the largest airline between Egypt (North) and South Africa (South). You all said why, the market is 120 million people with a sizable wealthy class, business travelers, VFR traffic, etc , etc. If the political will exists in Nigeria, NEA may grow to operate 10 aircraft within 1 year and 50 aircraft in 10 years.
At the moment, I have a lot of respect for Ethiopian Airlines, a truely pioneering and successful airline which has defied all odds and became a world-class airline in my opinion. Their fleet plans will eventually pay off and they can expand further (on the continent) if they focus on the 737NG and increase frequencies and reduce tiresome multileg flights (sometimes up to 3 legs).
Kenya Airways is also a good example of a well-thought and planned turn-around exercise. They are on track now in joining the SkyTeam Alliance throught their partner KLM. They have also increased frequencies and destinations and became a truely attractive way to fly into East our South Africa. I am now considering redeeming my Flying Dutchman (KLM) FF points to travel from Saudi Arabia to Kenya (what a wonderful world of air travel we live in!)
There are some other airlines that are flying on the edge right now such as Air Gabon and Cameroon Airlines. Both have been reported to be struggling recently and sadly, I do expect their demise in the next few years, along with other airlines such as Air Zimbabwe, Sudan Air (if privatization fails), TAAG and Air Madagascar. At least if they dont die they will become satellite carriers providing air links to their operating bases from regional, larger hubs such as the ones listed in the above message (Nairobi, Addis, Lagos and Johannesburg).
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2050 times:
"Since many of you are discussing Nigeria and its lack of a strong carrier... I dont think SAA will slip its chance to successfully buy into the new proposed Nigerian Eagle Airlines (NEA). There are still many delays in getting this new airline off the ground but this is not new in Nigeria, as the government has been shamelessly going in circles since years ago in getting a new airline started."
SAA would be clever in two ways: For one its about lucrative routes, and second, this is a way of placing the handful of venerable 747-300s they have parked just a few months ago! (one of them was already operated together with Nigeria Aw. 2 or 3 years ago).
But they have to use cleverness and sharp machetes to get through the infamous Nigerian corruption which is a major source of income for many people there - and the major reason for the notoriously endless delays over there.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2043 times:
I forgot to mention but TACV ( Cape Verde Islands Airlines ) is also doing nice even knowing that the major income they have is from tourism, they fly regulary to LIS with the 757 and I also think they fly to ORY and AMS. is that right?
Ts-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1993 times:
Tunisair is doing well and the terrorist attack of 2002 in Djerba didn't have dramatic aftermaths for the airline. It is now undergoing commercial and social "refreshment" and i guess it would "recover" by 2006 with new orders...long-hauliers this time !!! Not confirmed yet !!!
In Tunisia we have also two other airlines that are expanding in a regular and fast pace; Nouvelair (LBT/BJ) and Karthago (KAJ/5R). Tuninter, the domestic and regional commuter airline is also making good efforts for a place in the market.
Egyptair, Lybian Arab Airlines, Afriqyiah, Air Algerie, RAM, Air Senegal, Ethiopian, Eretrian, Kenya Airways, Air Mauritius and Air Seychelles seem also to be in a good health.
The problem in Africa is only in the western and central countries that suffer wars, bad management,...