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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

I was at a YYC cargo meeting on Tuesday and it was mentioned Korean Air will begin operating into Calgary with a 74F freighter in Aug 2004. At the same meeting it was also rumoured BA will also begin LHR/YYC vv service from April 2005 and Asian will begin pax service from ICN around the same time. I can see room for a new entry in the LHR/YYC market, a pax service ICN/YYC would be a tough sell?


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User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

I've heard rumours of Asiana Cargo starting up soon but not KE. Do you know if this is for sure or not?

I would have expected a Japanese airline to start regular pax service before any Korean airline would simply because of the amount of Japanese tourists visiting the rockies. ANA already does charters in the summer.

I hope at least some of this turns out to be true (I'd bet the cargo one has the best chance) though I'm not holding my breath!

Regards,
Kris



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User currently offlineRamprat From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Korean Air Cargo is coming to YYC, it was supposed to start in June, but was delayed till Aug, last i heard sometime around the 25th. Globeground will handle the offload/onload, and AC cargo will be doing the build up/breakdown of their pallets. The routing will be KIX-YYC-DFW, and return. Also last i heard, the morning arrival will be 800amish every friday, and then the return will be late afternoon, early evening. I will post more when i get the info. From what i have hard, Asian wanted to fly here, but Korean held the rights already, so they had to make a choice, start flying the route, or give it up to Asiana.


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Good to hear Ramprat. I'm guessing it must be a fairly viable route with the 2 carriers trying to get it.

Off topic but were you at work when the ANA 777 came in? I got some pics of it from the ramp.



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User currently offlineN757kw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

According to my KE system it will be KE239/240. The flight will be shared with DFW. It shows ICN-ANC-DFW-YYC-ICN. The flight is on Thursday/Friday.

N757KW



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2770 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Nice nice,

I for one shall take in the opportunity to enjoy all of this.

I knew that sooner or later Korean would come to YYC, despite all the jokes and funnies fellow spotters make around me. I am surprised that they held back for a 2 month delay.. What was the reason behind that>?



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User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4111 times:

As a apron 2 ramp rat, this is music to my ears...its a shame KE trusts Globe Ground cargo here in Calgary...I know I wouldnt
I really hope the BA rumor is true.


Bo-- perhaps we may see some interesting emergency landings brought to us by Korean (DONT FLAME ME, this is a inside joke between me and bo)


User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

That is awesome news, now all we need is a scheduled arrival time.... Smile


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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2770 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4099 times:

Mrrrrr.. Grrr....!!

We shall see SHane, we shall see...
But it would be from non pilot caused events like a sick Passenger. Big grin

Oh ya, 8am arrival? Nice.. that means Runway 28 usage.. Very nice.



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User currently offlineWestjet_8 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

British Airways would be amazing and finally offer so real competion on the YYC-LHR route. Anyone guess at the aircraft it would be? 777?


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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4080 times:

As a apron 2 ramp rat, this is music to my ears...its a shame KE trusts Globe Ground cargo here in Calgary...I know I wouldnt

*shrug* Considering that ATS has a high number of younger guys (and teenagers) working on the ramp who lack experience, and I've personnally seen ATS (and their prior incarnation as CanCom) get involved in some spectacular accidents around the terminal apron, I would trust GlobeGround a lot more than the other options out there for contracted ground handling.

And yes, I know that ATS' Cargo operation is seperate from the operation they do on the main terminal side....

That all aside, this is great news for YYC. It'll be good to see.....



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 4012 times:

Goose, I agree that the ATS is a bunch of younger guys. However you should also check out the guys working for GG nowdays. Again like you mentioned the cargo operation is seperate. I know for a fact that ATS cargo hasnt had a incident involving a aircraft in over a year and half to two years. Cargo is in my opinion run much better then the pax side. For example the Emery Worldwide aircraft, hasnt had a ramp related delay in over a year as well.

I am not saying GG is a bad company, but the cargo division in YYC isnt the greatest at the moment. Hitting CargoJet twice. Not doing safety stops, not marshalling equipment, not pushing against the blastwall, etc

However like you have said, This is awsome news for YYC. Its been a dream of mine to have BA serve once again!!!

Wish me luck I have my first pushback tonite!!! Emery 727




[Edited 2004-07-28 23:28:00]

User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 4003 times:

"*shrug* Considering that ATS has a high number of younger guys (and teenagers) working on the ramp who lack experience, and I've personnally seen ATS (and their prior incarnation as CanCom) get involved in some spectacular accidents around the terminal apron, I would trust GlobeGround a lot more than the other options out there for contracted ground handling."

While I'm not denying that statement, ATS is trying to change things. Another thing when ATS did WJ was the extreme time constraints with 30 minute turns. Drivers were driving like maniacs, and eventually stuff happened. I know ATS is now more strict with the D/A testing etc. When I got re-hired by them it appears they're more selective in their hiring process as well.

Add regular wage increases and better benefits than years past it'll turn around eventually.

Kris



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User currently offlineRamprat From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

VonRichtofen,

No, unfortunately i am on holidays, and missed the 777 coming in, anyone know when the next one is coming? I think i heard Aug 2nd. I am back to work on Aug 1st, so if its true, ill drive up to the ramp and snap a couple pics.


User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

I have a feeling the BA flight will be LHR-YYC-YVR vv. ,. I know BA was looking at increasing service into Vancouver from 7 to 10 flight/week so may be YYC will be 3 flight / week and Vancouver 10 flights per week with 3 flights stopping in YYC. This is just a guess on my part and I have not heard anything to back this up.


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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2770 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 3919 times:

Ana is back on Thursday morning.
Still I don't know the exact intervals between the days that they fly in.

I am also not sure of the cities they be originating from.
Just Tokyo, Osaka, Fukuoka?



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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

While I'm not denying that statement, ATS is trying to change things. Another thing when ATS did WJ was the extreme time constraints with 30 minute turns. Drivers were driving like maniacs, and eventually stuff happened. I know ATS is now more strict with the D/A testing etc. When I got re-hired by them it appears they're more selective in their hiring process as well.

WestJet still does 30 minute turns and their in-house Ramp department doesn't get involved in near as many accidents as I saw CanCom/ATS get involved with. I think they've had a couple of planes get bent from accidents - but nothing on the scale of idiocy I used to see from ATS and CanCom fellas. I recall seeing guys behind the wheel on ATS equipment who looked barely old enough to drink -- that much inexperience caused a lot of accidents which were due to simple sloppiness and lack of experience.

I know that ATS and CanCom both suffered from high turnover due to their wages. That contributes to the overall lack of experience.

I am not saying GG is a bad company, but the cargo division in YYC isnt the greatest at the moment. Hitting CargoJet twice. Not doing safety stops, not marshalling equipment, not pushing against the blastwall, etc

It's just a guess, but safety stops are one item which is company-specific and are not universal for every company. When I worked CP flights, I never had to do them - and was never penalized on my audits for not doing them. WestJet does do them, however. Marshalling equipment is in the same boat - some companies don't have it as part of their procedure.

Pushing against a blastwall is also not a mandatory item of procedure. You can push the plane pretty much anywhere, as long as you're not blowing over anything behind you. What you're talking about is simply differences in procedure between ATS and GG.... not saying GG is better, but it's a safe bet that a good number of their guys have probably been doing it far longer than you have.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

"WestJet still does 30 minute turns and their in-house Ramp department doesn't get involved in near as many accidents as I saw CanCom/ATS get involved with."

A high percentage of WS rampers are ex ATS guys. I'd bet that most of their crew leads are ex ATS.



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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

A high percentage of WS rampers are ex ATS guys. I'd bet that most of their crew leads are ex ATS.

Uhm, no. I know for a fact that there is indeed a good number of ATS fellas out there (I think the number is likely somewhere around 10-20 people - out of a group of over 120), and there's a number (almost all, I think) of those ex-ATS guys are leads.... but by no means are they a majority of WS' crew leads. Most of their leads were first hired by WS off the street with no prior experience. There's been a very few guys with experience with AC and GG as well in there, too....



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineWjv04 From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 583 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

"Pushing against a blastwall is also not a mandatory item of procedure. You can push the plane pretty much anywhere, as long as you're not blowing over anything behind you"

Goose we have to clarify something. What position are you in to be able to know for a fact that pushing against the apron 2 blast wall isnt a mandatory item?
Because we (ATS Cargo) have on several occasions been told by the ADM that pushing against the blast wall is indeed manditory.
This isnt a ATS vs GG. You talk about experience, I would say our current safety record speaks for its self. Apperently the experience we have is good enought. You also must understand, if you screw up at ATS, your fired simple as that. I can bet that the people involved with these accidents in the past, were fired right on the spot.
Enough about ATS.. I envy Globe because of the contracts they have, and i would love to have the option to work on all the flights they have. However in the long term ATS doesnt mean anything to me really, its just my foot in the door.




User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 3769 times:

Goose we have to clarify something. What position are you in to be able to know for a fact that pushing against the apron 2 blast wall isnt a mandatory item?

Ah, Apron II - I've worked a handful of flights out there, so I'm not an end-all authority on the matter. The few times I did work flights out there, I received no flak for not pushing to the blast-wall; albeit that was years ago, and the apron has since been expanded and what-not in that time. I can understand where you're coming from.

However, when you play with the big boys on the main terminal apron - which is where over 99% of my experience is from - it really doesn't matter if you're pushed back to the blast wall or not.

And a lot of the GG guys working cargo now are are most likely carried over from the main terminal side of their operation (according to my friends who worked there, they used to bid for cargo crews based on a seniority basis with the whole company; it's not like ATS which has a seperate cargo op).

I'm saying that just so you can understand where they're coming from.....

As for being fired on the spot for making mistakes - that's great, except.... how do you expect anyone to learn from mistakes? Or gain experience? By watching the mistakes of others and the examples made of them?



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineVS340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

This is funny, it sounds just like the bickering that goes on between GlobeGround and ATS here at YEG. I work for GGNA myself and from what I have seen and heard in my time here is that ATS is a serious gong show and a lot of problems have come from that.

User currently offlineRamprat From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 188 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Heres the info for the ANA charters, if anyone is interested:

Departure Date Departure Point

July 21 Fukouka
July 25 Narita(Tokyo)
July 27 Narita
Aug 02 Hiroshima
Aug 06 Narita
Aug 10 Kansai(Osaka)
Aug 22 Kagoshima
Aug 26 Oita
Aug 30 Nagasaki

All aircraft are 777-200 (234 pax)


User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 3694 times:

How many Canadian cities get foreign airlines?


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User currently offlineSuperdawg From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

How many Canadian cities get foreign airlines?

Victoria, Vancouver , Kamloops, Kelowna, Whitehorse, Edmonton, Calgary, Saskatoon, Regina, Winnipeg, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Fredriction, Halifax, Thunder Bay, Kitchener, London, Quebec City

and there are probably some more that I missed....


25 Goose : How many Canadian cities get foreign airlines? If you consider US-based carriers as "foreign" airlines in Canada, I'd think nearly all major cities -
26 Wjv04 : Goose, Yeah I belive it was just a mis-understanding about which blast wall. I was refering to the Apron 2 blast wall, when I said that GG doesnt push
27 Post contains images Goose : just keep em off the VSRs and everyone is happy. That's open for interpretation Been there, done that.... I also agree that when someone makes a mista
28 Wjv04 : Exactly!! Either way i cant wait for the flights, great news over all for Calgary!!!
29 Ramprat : KE will start bringing their 742F this Friday, arriving at about 8am, departing around 10am if its on schedule. This is not the normal arrival/departu
30 Ramprat : Also forgot to mention, there was the ANA charter today, as well as a white, with blue tail 742F, carrying the Cirque de Soleil(sp?) equipment to Aust
31 BO__einG : Hey Ramprat, how long have you been involved with the Cargo operations at the airport? From your details you are possibly with Air Canada Cargo? Doing
32 Planekrazy777 : Ya i have to admit the ana 777 looks slick, the us airforce dc-10 tanker had it's number 3 engine crap out not sure how serious of a fix it will be. A
33 SamL : with regards to the number of canadian airports receieving international flights, I am currently in Montreal and i had a quick look at one of the tax
34 Jgardiner : The Korean 747-400F will be arriving at 0745 and will be welcomed by an airport fire department water arch. The ANA 777 will be arriving at 0855 from
35 Fallingeese : Any idea where they will be welcoming the Korean Air flight? That's a longer turn around than usual for ANA, from what I have seen the flights stop on
36 Jgardiner : Sorry, you're correct. There will be ANA flights on August 10, 14, 22, 26, 30 and September 3. I'll try and find out where the arch will be set up. .
37 Jgardiner : The arch will be set up at the enrance to Apron 2 (the cargo apron). .
38 Wjv04 : Sweet, ill be at work (on the cargo apron) at 745...
39 Planekrazy777 : Sweet it is i'll be working the flight
40 Fallingeese : So I'm guessing the only place for a photo op would be from the baseball diamonds...?
41 Jgardiner : If you can talk your way between the simulators in Spaceport or into the smoking room at Cheers you will only have one layer of glass to deal with and
42 Fallingeese : Jgardiner - I thought of that too, but I think I'd be shooting the rear end of the plane am i not mistaken?
43 BO__einG : Cool stuff, This week is going to be very nice. Will the KE arrival be covered by the media or anything like that other than the Calgary Airport Autho
44 Post contains images VonRichtofen : Shane I'll see you on the cargo ramp.
45 Post contains images Fallingeese : You and Shane better get some damn good shots Atlas was in again today, is the KC10 still here?
46 VonRichtofen : Is KE coming in Thursday or Friday?
47 Wjv04 : Lol, Kris ill be there too. Planekrazy777- You work for globe on apron 2?
48 Planekrazy777 : korean wiil be here fri morning around 8 00 am and dep @10 00. normally it will arrive at 06 00 and dep @08 00. yes shane i work for ggna on apron 2.
49 Post contains links Sebring : This looks more like a joint venture than a pure KE service. http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/August2004/05/c8791.html I know in Toronto, Ai
50 Planekrazy777 : planekrazy777 is the ramp lead korean and cargo lux
51 Wjv04 : Sebring- That wouldnt surprize me at all. This would probally explain the korean airlines cans sitting in front of Air Canada Cargo. We had a meeting
52 Ramprat : The Korean airline cans have now been taken away to be loaded with horsemeat. Yes, I do work for AC cargo, I have been there for about a year and a ha
53 Wjv04 : Hey ramprat... you dont by chance happen to drive the Black Chev with the 96 impalla SS rims do you? If so man, god I love your truck.
54 Post contains links MEL : Photos uploaded to our site here: http://www.contrailsphotography.com/photos/newphotos1.html Matt
55 Wjv04 : I got awesome ramp shots.... for those of you who know Apron 2, I was standing right under UPS's tail.. so i was probally the closest to the action. W
56 Ossprey : SamL But I don't quite understand this as I would have thought that places like Winnipeg, Hamilton and possibly a few other places would be served at
57 Goose : What about the rest of you guys? I was a ways away, saw it from the window of my office.....
58 VonRichtofen : I was standing under UPS with Shane. Awesome view and got some good shots.
59 Post contains links Fallingeese : Shane and Kris, lets see your photos in large. You lucky guys...lol http://www.contrailsphotography.com Thats what I got.
60 Ramprat : It is a nice truck, but unfortunately I can't say that it's mine. The guy driving it is actually an agent inside. Nice pics by the way guys, I wish I
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