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Could CO Do EWR-DXB?  
User currently offlineND From Belgium, joined Feb 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

I was recently reading how CO uses 772ERs on their EWR-TLV route. This made me wonder; since Dubai is not too far from TLV (unless my perception of distances is distorted), could CO use their 772s (provided they had some available) to start a nonstop EWR-DXB?

If so, would there be a market for this? Has CO actually considered this route as a possibility?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

could CO use their 772s (provided they had some available) to start a nonstop EWR-DXB?

Yep. Remember MH flew EWR-DXB with the 772ER for a long time




If so, would there be a market for this?

~refer to previous statement~



Has CO actually considered this route as a possibility?

Yes... along with lndia; the conclusion being that there's bigger/easier fish to fry


User currently offlineSleak76 From Kuwait, joined Nov 2000, 345 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

ND,

Delta already beat CO with services from NYC to DXB. June 2001 saw the launching of a thrice-weekly MD11 JFK-DXB (via Cairo) as flight DL120.

After the Sept 11 attacks, DL120 and DL121 services were suspended due to low load-factors. Whilst the airline always said that they plan to return to DXB by first half of 2002, that has never materialized. One report I read was that the cargo demand for the route was good, yet passenger yields were lower than expected. I'm assuming at this point that should their flights did break-even, then it was probably from cargo demand than from passenger revenue.

As to currently any demand for CO to start services? Seriously doubt it. EK plying that route daily with discount prices for US passengers to fly Emirates to Dubai with enticements such as free hotel stays upon arrival into Dubai, and extra nights at 50% off, etc.

Here's an extract from ek.com

"...We are offering incredible value for money holiday packages starting from as little as US$29 per person per night, for all passengers who fly Emirates...this spectacular event in June 2004.

With a choice of 16...properties to choose from as well as the additional benefits of; arrival 'Meet and Assist', a welcome pack, chauffeur-driven hotel transfers and an extra 10kg luggage allowance on departure, these Emirates DSS 2004 packages make excellent value for money."

No private carrier (such as CO or DL) can possibly match this offer and still ply the route with a decent profit and a decent return on their aircraft's investment. EK can cause it government-owned. US carriers will find it hard to play against that.

Quite unfortunate, but true.




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User currently offlineIshky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Under different circumstances, I definitely think that it would be a smart move for Continental to start Newark to Dubai flights. But with Emirates' arrival on the route, which they are sure to fight hard to keep theirs for at least the beginning, the lack of available widebodies in their fleet, and the fact that, as Concorde Boy mentioned, there's bigger/easier fish to fry, I don't think we'll see them flying there for a while.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Sleak76,

Yes, I remember with those flights from JFK-CAI-DXB way back of before 9/11 and it is thrice weekly flight to Egypt flight. I remember it was MD-11 aircraft from JFK-CAI-DXB and the next morning will way back from DXB-CAI-JFK.

Regards


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Delta never operated JFK-DXB nonstop. The route, with an MD11 was flown as JFK-CAI-DXB-CAI-JFK.

Delta has restarted JFK-TLV flights, only this time, nonstop, in the summer of 2001 with MD11's. Prior to this, it flew JFK-ORY-TLV but dropped this in 1994. The TLV route was axed in September 2001.

Malaysia Airlines flew EWR-DXB. The 777 has plenty of range to do it.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

MH still does EWR-DXB-KUL. I saw it take off 2 weeks ago


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

MH still does EWR-DXB-KUL

Apparently this route will be terminated later this year as MH starts its new service to New York (via Stockholm) as well as strong competition on the route from EK (daily; A345).


I remember with those flights from JFK-CAI-DXB way back of before 9/11 and it is thrice weekly flight to Egypt flight. I remember it was MD-11 aircraft from JFK-CAI-DXB and the next morning will way back from DXB-CAI-JFK.

Sure miss those flights (as well as TWA's 6x weekly 763 flights)  Sad


Horus




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