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New ATA Business Class  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

I recently returned from LAS on a TZ flight and saw a promotional video announcing premium "Business Class" service with 2 X 2 seating beginning this fall. I hadn't heard about this service before. What's the plan for this service, will it ultimately be offered system wide or just on select flights?

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

This subject had some very heated comments on it when it was first announced, as a memo was sent to the staff of ATA/TZ saying that employees would not be allowed to use the front end cabin, not sure if I got it totally right, though that was the general gist. If I remember right for a short while it was actually posted on ATA web site.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2640 times:

Here is the old thread on the subject. Hope it helps.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1427475/



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1613 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

The planes will be out of service in September: 6 at a time, 3 being reconfigured and 3 more coming in as soon as those are complete.

M


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

saying that employees would not be allowed to use the front end cabin
That is just ridiculous.

What other US LCCs do not have a business/premium cabin? JetBlue, Song, and Southwest come to mind - should AirTran be on that list?

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

airTran has Business Class upgradeable for $25 one way or unlimited for A+ Rewards Elite Members.
-Mr. X



What now?
User currently onlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1894 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2551 times:

Spirit also has a business class cabin on its fleet of MD-80s... it is called "Spirit Plus" and you can purchase upgrades at the gate, if seats are available.

Carfield


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Spirit also has a business class cabin on its fleet of MD-80s... it is called "Spirit Plus" and you can purchase upgrades at the gate, if seats are available.
When I was writing that list, I was thinking of Spirit, but somehow it never got on the list.  Laugh out loud Thanks.

-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineFly_ATA From United States of America, joined May 2001, 616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Along with the new biz class will be the "Elite" flyer program. I believe it will start with the top 30,00 frequent flyers. These Elite passengers will be allowed to check-in the business class line as well as other perks. Training starts this week for station personnel on both programs.

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Along with the new biz class will be the "Elite" flyer program. I believe it will start with the top 30,00 frequent flyers.

Wow. I never heard of anything like that. Interesting. Do you know the logic behind that?

AAndrew


User currently offlineBonanzaAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

airTran has Business Class upgradeable for $25

Now it's $35 a segment (each take off and landing) I always use it on flights longer then 1hour.


Bonanza


User currently offlineATAflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 19 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

In response to Leelaw, all 737 and 757 aircraft are to be configured with business class. (And this is to start pretty soon). The L-1011 fleet most likely will not, primarily because they are busy doing charters.
Hope you get a chance to fly with us gain, we are excited about it.
Luv2fly, you got it right...employees will not be eligible to sit there. I guess a major complaint from passengers who pay for the upgrade on other airlines is that "there are employees sitting all around them talking shop, and they would just rather not hear it". SO that decision was made that all employees should just sit in coach, which is fine with me.
Have a good day all.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 19 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Does anyone know what will be the number of Business Class seats on the 738, 752 & 753 respectively?

User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 19 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

ATAflyer, having nonrevs in the Business cabin would also limit the number of upgrade opportunities for paying pax, as well!


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (10 years 18 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

I think ATA are going to have to do better than create a "business class" - this airline has a deliriously bad reputation, especially when it comes to aggressive and hostile cabin crew (Chicago-based are the worst). I was going to post this but Luv2fly kind of addressed it in the very first reply: "This subject had some very heated comments on it when it was first announced, as a memo was sent to the staff of ATA/TZ saying that employees would not be allowed to use the front end cabin." No wonder they're pissed off. And some joker further down says it's a good idea that 'the help' are banished to the back of the plane, cos those important customers in the premium cabin don't like to hear airline staff talk shop! Yeah right! I've flown thousands of times in biz and first, and I've never noticed airline staff talking shop. How many non-rev staff are on any given flight? Unless there's a whole graduating class of junior first officers or whatever, the answer is generally between zero and two. And so what if they talk shop? How can you hear what people are talking about, across the aisle or from a row ahead? Is this the new normal in America? Everyone eavesdropping on each other? Sounds like a different (ex) superpower to me. This is complete nonsense.

Next.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 18 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Regarding Non-Reving in first cabin: as a frequent flyer on AA, NW, & UA I have been annoyed on a few occasions to discover pilots flying in first cabin when there were empty seats in economy, and I had been told at check-in that there weren't seats available for upgrade.

User currently offlineATA767 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 18 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

It looks like ATA will have between 12 and 16 BC seats available on its 73-8 and 75-2 A/C. The whole employee thing is a bit touchy but after seeing the way some of these young FA's behave even while the work, I see why the company has done it. ATA will really set themselves apart with all of these amenities they offer on their flights. No other LCC will compare to have BC seating, IFE, Meals for sale and oh yeah, no pillows and blankets!

User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (10 years 17 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

having nonrevs in the Business cabin would also limit the number of upgrade opportunities for paying pax, as well!

No it won't... upgrades would be given to revenue passengers first- whether people believe it or not, rev. first, then non-rev.

pilots flying in first cabin when there were empty seats in economy, and I had been told at check-in that there weren't seats available for upgrade.

What happens often also is that F may be full at "check-in" but at the "cut-off" point, the seats are released back into the system (who hasn't checked in) and it's fair game for whomever is on the upgrade/non-rev list. When flying AA (if you are either G, PL, EP), asked to be placed on the UPG list regardless, so if something opens up, it's all yours.  Smile


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 17 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Will the 753s get Business Class seats as well or are they doing too much Hawaii and charter work to be configured with fewer seats?

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1451 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (10 years 16 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

All of the 738's, 752's and 753's will receive the Biz Class cabin upgrade and each will have 12 seats.


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User currently offlineNavega From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 14 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Weeepppeeee...
Now passengers can be misstreaded not only in Coach but in Business Class
on ATA.

Can't wait.


User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (10 years 14 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Actually AirTran's upgrade fees are changing from $35/$50 shorthaul/longhaul to $35/$50/$75 shorthaul/mediumhaul/longhaul. (Medium haul being DFW-BWI for instance, and long haul being ATL-SFO).

As for the no non-revs in business class thing, I still think it's ludicrous and a slap in the face to the employees of ATA. AirTran tried it when they first added business class, and it created the worst rift in employee/management relations in years. It was changed in just a few months.


Travis


User currently offlineORDAgent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 12 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Hooray for TZ! I have flown them several times out of MDW and had nothing but solicitous and friendly ground and inflight service. I hope they thrive. Remember other carriers have changed service perceptions as well. This introduction of C class is interesting as they are now trying to suck business travelers from the legacy carriers with perks. Of course premium cabins and LCCs don't appear to match. Time will tell.


User currently offlineATAflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Well maybe Cedarjet needs to come fly us sometime, this is an invitation to do so. Maybe I was unable to explain the policy re: nonrevs in business class seats, so will just add this: the original concerns of the nonrevs would be that seats would go empty while the nonrevs were denied boarding. (This was never to be the case. Instead, if seats are open in bus class after boarding complete, then full-fare customers could be asked forward, opening up coach seats for non-revs.)
This policy had nothing to do with 'eavesdrppping' or the like. I also have flown a considerable amount of miles both for work and play...many of them on other carriers in their First Cabins. The nonrevs can be picked-out whether in uniform or not. The business class is for paying customers, and that is okay. A coach seat will do nicely.
Thanks all.



A better way to fly
User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 hour ago) and read 1734 times:

If I want to sit in Business class, I'll buy a ticket.

If I want to fly around for free, I'll sit on a jumpseat, in the lav, in a comfortable ATA coach class seat, or anywhere on the aircraft that will get me where I'd like to go.

It's really very simple: our customers pay our wages. They should sit in Business class and I should thank them for allowing me to have a wonderful job as I take my seat in coach.

Don't make an issue where truly none exists.

joe


25 L104me : Jjbiv (Joe) I just want to say that you have the most positive attitude about non-reving of anyone that I have seen on a.net. If all airline employee
26 Ezycrew : Perks are good motivational gestures. Upgrades being one of them. It doesn't cost the company anything and helps make employees happy and loyal. I thi
27 GSPSPOT : I'm very sorry, but non-rev's should be in Coach, period, unless there's just not room there. They're getting a free ride as it is!
28 Acvitale : Look for JetBlue to add a premium cabin before the EMB190s come on line. I know there was a contract for the premium seats being discussed at Farnbour
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