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No Working Lavs On Flight  
User currently offlineTwalives From United States of America, joined May 2001, 175 posts, RR: 7
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Prior to boarding an American Connection flight from STL-MKE the other night, the gate agent made an announcement that the lone lavatory aboard our embraer was out of order and that we should be sure to "relieve" ourselves prior to boarding.

The flying time to MKE is only a bit over an hour so I wasn't worried for myself but the situation got me thinking. First off, is it me or does anyone else think it could be a big problem if there were children aboard. We all know children have to use the restroom at the least convenient times. Plus, this is an hour flight but what about those 3.5 hr RJ flights across half the country?...would that even be legal? Does anyone know of any restrictions regarding working lavatories on commercial flights?

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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

hmmm I was under the impression that the front LAV at minimum must be IN OPERATION. . ? I would imagin diffrent rules for larger aircraft. .

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Apparently you've never been on a Beech 1900 then.
 Laugh out loud



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

For CRJs a flight may be dispatched legally with lav inop but we make sure that the duration of the flight is acceptable to the crew and the passengers.

ASA has those long flights half across the country but the most are operated by CRJ700s which has 2 lavs. As long as 1 lav is working then I think that is acceptable.

For CRJ200s there is only 1 lav in the back. If that equipment is assigned to a flight over an hour I usually request a swap.

TokyoNarita.





[Edited 2004-07-29 15:55:02]

User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16798 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Make sure not to serve coffee, and bran cereal!


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7759 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

And it is almost a certainty that people's bowels and bladders will be just that much more active knowing that there isn't a working toilet on-board. Funny how the mind works.


Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

2 hour flight on a CRJ (200 maybe? one toilet) from MSY to MCO without the toilet working. We were told before boarding so I think that's fair enough. Now a 3 hour flight or more is a different matter.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineAZjetgeek From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

I would think that if the flight was 90-plus minutes in duration, they would not have allowed the aircraft to take off and would have sought a substitute. Am I assuming too much here?


Long live the RJ!
User currently offlineCMK10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

I was once on an ex-TWA 757 operating as an AA flight from LGA-DFW which has a flying time of around 3 hours. The Plane should have one lav at the front of the F Cabin, one by doors 2L/R and two by doors 3L/R. On the plane only two were working and we weren't even informed prior to departure. This caused some rather large lines including in the F Cabin aisle.


"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
User currently offlineTwalives From United States of America, joined May 2001, 175 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

2 hour flight on a CRJ (200 maybe? one toilet) from MSY to MCO without the toilet working. We were told before boarding so I think that's fair enough.


Guess you don't have kids? Two hours without a bathroom is impossible!


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

I don't! But I travelled with my 3 and 5 year old nieces on another flight, 9 hours, and they only needed to go once or twice.

Actually, I remember an Airline programme where they were flying to some Brit booze destination (Amsterdam, Ibiza, or Prague maybe) and only 1 working toilet. Trouble was these pax had quite a few before they boarded. Turned out the rear toilet just had a broken seat so they let the men use that one!

Geoff M.


User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Isn't it against FAA regulations NOT to have a working restroom on a flight?

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Isn't it against FAA regulations NOT to have a working restroom on a flight?

Well, then Beech 1900s wouldn't be allowed to be flown by Midwest Connect, US Airways Express, etc.... They don't even have a lav.



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

Well, then Beech 1900s wouldn't be allowed to be flown by Midwest Connect, US Airways Express, etc.... They don't even have a lav.


True, but that is not an aircraft that is equipped with several from the manufacturer, or flown for any length of time.

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Seems I always get dehydrated on airplane flights so if I was informed the lav was broken before boarding I could deal with being lav free for at least an hour.

The little kid thing is dead on.. but that is why we make benadryl, if Timmy is sleeping he's not peeing, or pissing off the other passengers.


User currently offlineJAFA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

I believe that this information is spelled out in the company ops manual. For example an aircraft the size of the A320/737 must have two of three working, dpending on the passenger load.
I would rather have to wait a little while for the lav, instaead of having a delayed or cancelled flight.


User currently offlineAv8trxx From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 657 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

There is no FAA regulation concerning operational lavatories. As mentioned, there may be a company specification for inop lavs, but no FAA reg.

An effort is usually made to swap it out with another a/c if the flight is too long, but for short hops it's OK for dispatch with out one. If it's broke, it's broke. They probably didn't have time to fix it or they'd take a delay, so off it goes until there is time in a mx base for it to be repaired. Better to get the pax where they need to be and let them pee there than delay a flight to fix the toilet.


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

True, but that is not an aircraft that is equipped with several from the manufacturer, or flown for any length of time.

I don't think a 1-1/2 hour MKE-CMH flight would be all that fun on a 1900!



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
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