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Possible New Airbus Order From BA  
User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10781 times:

Hi all,
Just been informed today that a group from BA have spent the last few days at Toulouse, including Rod Eddington himself.

Have no details other than that regarding type of aircraft being looked at, but it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet, so that tends to suggest Airbus' long haul aircraft are the ones in question, due to BA's short haul fleet already being comprised mainly of Airbus.

Also, it appears that there are no current talks between the airline and Boeing going on.

Cheers,

Jeff

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10526 times:

Maybe the A380....but I doubt it. Probably more A32Xs

Horus




EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10499 times:

Maybe the A380

Could well be, they do have a full mockup of the A380 cabin in Toulouse, and the new T5 at LHR, which will predominantly be used by BA, is designed for A380 operation.

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineKl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5084 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10468 times:

''it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet''

So that means they might as well look at the 340/330 series. WOW, that would so cool!!

Then again, their 777's will have to placed with someone else. Which airline is big enough to takeover BA's 777's and 744's? How is BA's financial position?

KL911



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User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2458 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10461 times:

T5 is designed for A380 operation to handle the QF A380s, they will be the 2nd airline at T5 not just BA as everyone thinks!

Glenn



http://www.glenneldridgeaviation.com
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10412 times:

JeffDCA: Have no details other than that regarding type of aircraft being looked at, but it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet,

I seriously doubt that he´d pursue such a strategy. What´s the source on that? Unsubstantiated rumours, again?

This would basically eliminate his leverage in negotiations with his delighted sole supplier...  Nuts

Besides, even though I subjectively prefer the A340 to the 777, would it really be wise to discard the 777s at this point? From what I´ve heard so far, I have my doubts about BA doing such a thing.


User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10388 times:

I seriously doubt that he´d pursue such a strategy. What´s the source on that? Unsubstantiated rumours, again?

Not asking you to believe it, just providing information that i've heard from a very reliable source at LHR. As usual, for obvious reasons i cannot name names.

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10369 times:

Maybe the A380....but I doubt it.

Its very likely that BA will place an order because they have shown interest in the A380. They said they wanted to see how the aircraft perform then they will place a handsome order for the A380. That's just what I heard from a very reliable source.

Probably more A32Xs
No one calls the A321 the A32X. It's official that the A32X is now A321.  Big grin



4 decks 4 engines 4 long haul
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10360 times:

Okay, so it´s an unsubstantiated rumour, as suspected.  Insane

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10348 times:

No one calls the A321 the A32X. It's official that the A32X is now A321.

Many people refer to the A320 family (i.e. A318/319/320/321) as A32X, which was meant here rather than soley the A321  Big thumbs up

Horus




EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10345 times:

Believe what you want Klaus, i honestly couldn't care less. I was wrong before, and admitted it, if you've never made a mistake then feel free to keep making those kind of comments. Again, i honestly couldn't care less.

I already have one person backing up what i've heard, so it's obviously not 'an unsubstantiated rumour'.

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10342 times:

I seem to recall something in The Times (London) in February about BA looking at simplfing its shorthaul operations, i.e. disposing of the 737s. Could possibly be that BA is looking at converting some of the remaining options it holds to allow for the replacement of the 34 737s (5 733s, 19 734s and 10 735s), plus the 10 BCal ordered A320s which are fitted with CFM engines (BAs A320 family aircraft are IAE powered). The remaining 757s could be considered too.

Could be BA looking more closely at the A380 - they've admitted their surprise at who's ordered and in what quantities. However, not necessarily the case that A330/A340 would be ordered. BA would never be able to place all those 777s, and they are a young and capable part of the fleet.

Surely more likely that the single manufacturer comment would apply to shorthaul - obvious economies with one fleet "family" at both LGW and LHR, as opposed to the present mix of 737s, 757s, CFM A320s and IAE A319s/A320s and soon to be IAE A321s.



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1056 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10337 times:

I dont buy the single manufacturer thing either.
I'm sure he'd be wiser to keep the two suppliers, so when he wants more planes he can squeeze them for the best deal - it's how things are done  Smile

It's been mentioned several times recently that BA is interested in cutting down its debts and increasing profitability and efficiency, not spending loads of money on mergers and most likely new aircraft too.

This BA bunch seem to be moving around a lot lately, they were apparantly at SNBA the other day, maybe it's a whirlwind tour of how to spend billions of pounds - buy Aer Lingus and SNBA and replace their entire fleets with brand new airbuses. lol

It could be more A320 family orders, or maybe just a demonstration of the A380, only time will tell.


User currently offlineRadelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10290 times:

I doubt you will see BA dropping Boeing. They have been very happy with the 747 and 777. They are probably looking at keeping the longhaul fleet Boeing and shorthaul fleet Airbus. Just my thoughts...

User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10226 times:

Have no details other than that regarding type of aircraft being looked at, but it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet, so that tends to suggest Airbus' long haul aircraft are the ones in question, due to BA's short haul fleet already being comprised mainly of Airbus.
If, and that is a big if right now, BA wanted to have a single-type fleet, they would most likely begin that process in a few years, not now.

Just been informed today that a group from BA have spent the last few days at Toulouse, including Rod Eddington himself.
BA will be taking delivery of some A321s soon, so is it possible that they were going there to check on them and see what the status is?

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10216 times:

If, and that is a big if right now, BA wanted to have a single-type fleet, they would most likely begin that process in a few years, not now.

You could well be right, they might just be researching the idea at the moment with Airbus.  Smile

BA will be taking delivery of some A321s soon, so is it possible that they were going there to check on them and see what the status is?

I would agree, but they've spent several days there, and the key part is that Rod Eddington is among those on the visit. You don't normally get the airline chief going on check up visits. I'm inclined to believe there's something much bigger going on behind closed doors.

This BA bunch seem to be moving around a lot lately, they were apparantly at SNBA the other day, maybe it's a whirlwind tour of how to spend billions of pounds - buy Aer Lingus and SNBA and replace their entire fleets with brand new airbuses.

They do seem to be throwing around a lot of ideas at the moment!

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10206 times:

BA wants a single manufacturer fleet, so that tends to suggest Airbus' long haul aircraft are the ones in question, due to BA's short haul fleet already being comprised mainly of Airbus.

Quite an anecdotal assessment, don't ya think?

All this B.S... I feel like I'm in a friggin' Kansas City stockyard  Yeah sure


User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10188 times:

I feel like I'm in a friggin' Kansas City stockyard

Does anyone care?

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2703 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10124 times:

"Have no details other than that regarding type of aircraft being looked at, but it is known that the future head of BA wants a single manufacturer fleet"

Perhaps, but reality will probably interfere. . . This is the first time I have ever, ever heard this, and goes against everything I've heard from BA's reps.

In all liklihood, they are thinking of replacing the remaining 737's with A32X's. Airbus is also probably giving them a detailed presentation on the A380, just as Boeing has done with the 7E7.

Of course, it's all academic. BA have publically stated their intent for the forseeable future is to reduce their debt. That means no orders, except maybe some A32X option conversion, for the next year or two.

Regards,

Hamlet69



Honor the warriors, not the war.
User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1834 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10039 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if BA ordered about dozen of A380-800s. I believe this plane - for now at least - has the best chance of being the only Airbus widebody in BA's fleet. Their 777s are doing fine job, I could see them getting some 777-300ERs and a couple dozen of 747Advanced in the next 10 years to replace their 747-400s. Can't see them buying 7E7s just yet, unless their financial condition improves.


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9913 times:

It the 777s and 747s in BA's fleet are performing well for them it will be hard for A to make a deal to replace them. Another factor A has to overcome is the 7E7. The more unstable the price of oil becomes the better the 7E7 is going to look when compared to A's offering. I doubt if there will be a move to a single supplier for a long, long time.

I would not be surprised to see BA eventually order a few 380, but not a replacements for the 747 - just as a new plane in their fleet. Because BA is a rather conservative airline I believe they will want to see some operational data before buying a very expensive plane with no operational history.

The meeting could have been your basic business dog & pony show with a nice lunch thrown in. A corporate version of a state visit. The factory is a short flight and Rod was probably back in time to face rush hour traffic.

The only question I have is has BA plunked down some refundable cash for production slots on either the 7E7 or the 380?


User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

God Bless America I hate to see every thread on here get into an A340 versus 777 battle, Europe vs. US thing but here's what the deal is: Why would BA convert to A340s now after they've put so much into 772s and 744s? Seriously, have you guys ever been to Gatwick? It is BA 772 heaven...there are more BA 772s there than I could ever imagine or hope for and it's wonderful. For capacity they might go with the A380 but they will not get rid of their 772s and 744s...ever. Man I hope not...a BA 772 buzzing right over your head is the coolest thing ever.

User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9717 times:

If he really is in Toulouse, then it's going to be something to do with the final A319/A320/A321's on order OR bringing in the option for 99 more short haul airbusses, which seems the most likely seeing as LGW will be using all A319's from October 31st.

Can you REALLY see BA going for the A380. Most of those B777's are brand new, as far as i know, they are happy with them, so if BA were to replace the B747-400's (which i can't see happening soon) then surely one of the Long Range B777's would be a better choice. Also the B777's are already flying, the A380 is not, so he would want to invest in aircraft that he's seen are "safe." It probably won't, but as the A380 hasn't flown yet, nobody has a real idea of what it would be like and it could generate a lot of problems.

-Stephen


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9672 times:

"Then again, their 777's will have to placed with someone else. Which airline is big enough to takeover BA's 777's and 744's? How is BA's financial position?"

Theoretically they could swap 777s for A330/340s because its a more flexible aircraft family and a real alternative at least. But for the 744s there is no head-on competitor. A good part of these won´t go unless Boeing offers the 747 Advanced or Airbus a A380 "SP".

But I doubt BA is going all-Airbus. Not even very long-term. Any major airline with the need to operate the whole range of aircraft sizes would be unwise to order from one manufacturer only. And that for several good reasons. The most important: Neither Boeing, nor Airbus have the best product in each class for each airline.


"Most of those B777's are brand new, as far as i know, they are happy with them, so if BA were to replace the B747-400's (which i can't see happening soon) then surely one of the Long Range B777's would be a better choice."

For one BAs 777 are all older than 4 years and of the same age as the newer half of their 744s. And second the Longer Range 777 (the 300ER you´re talking about I guess) isn´t a perfect replacement for 744s if an airline has many trunk routes that fill 744s. BA could replace 1/4 of its older 744s with them, but why? And why now? Even the oldest 744 of BA is young enough to serve a further 10 years. A380s would certainly be more important for growth.



User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9648 times:

I dont think BA will ever go A380, which in a way is sad but. . It would be great if they bought A346 for longer Range flights, let me refrase that hmm expand their long range flights; that would be a big plus for British Travel. . Direct out of LGW and LHR ~ ahhhh Dreams ~

25 JGPH1A : I'd be surprised if BA don't buy at least some A380's at some future date, for their very high density routes. After all BA are based at LHR, and suff
26 Speedbirdegjj : The new airbus order has been expected for a long time now. It is possible the worst kept secret that the reamining 737'2 will be phased out of LGW by
27 Na : It may be about the expected A319/320 order in the first place, but I bet a major reason why Eddington himself went to Toulouse is a "look" at the A38
28 LifelinerOne : Why is it that people conclude that when an airline CEO is visiting an aircraft manufacturer, they are there to order planes? There is also a thing ca
29 BCAL : Could BA compete on equal terms with Qantas, SA and Emirates if they introduced A380s between London and Sydney/Melbourne?
30 Andreas : Neither do I believe that BA goes single-manufacturer, nor do I believe it would be wise to do so! Even LH won't do that, and a lot of people suspecte
31 Planesarecool : BA should be replacing the B737's at the start of the winter season (October 31st), with A319's, although they are going to need at least 25 and as fa
32 JGPH1A : Looking at LON-NCE for next summer, its nothin' but 'bus ! 1 BA8137 6 LGW N NCE 1 0655 0955 0 02APR05 29OCT05 319 2:00 2 BA 342 D LHR 1 NCE 1 0805 110
33 GDB : A small matter of debt, a threatened strike, plummeting morale and much else besides make any order soon unlikely. There are 15 A320 series options th
34 Windshear : First rumours said that BAW would try and sell their B744s to CPA and replace them with the 777ER Now they are predicted to go A380! You must understa
35 Rwylie77 : The A380 is the perfect plane for BA to run out of Heathrow where there is a limited number of slots and traffic going through the airport is expected
36 Post contains links Voodoo : You must understand that BAW have more interest in flying more destinations at a higher earning than flying fewer with more passengers... -----------
37 BA380 : The only explanation of the above that makes sense to me is them ordering several 380s -- so my namesake might come true! The 744s on the JFK route ar
38 KEESJE : And with over 40 777s, I can't see them ordering dozens of 340s/330s A 340's unlikely indeed. However 332's are less unlikely. AF, KLM, CX, EK and man
39 Post contains images SafetyDude : I would agree, but they've spent several days there, and the key part is that Rod Eddington is among those on the visit. You don't normally get the ai
40 JeffDCA : Can you REALLY see BA going for the A380. Most of those B777's are brand new, as far as i know, they are happy with them, so if BA were to replace the
41 Post contains links and images KEESJE : AF, KLM, CX, EK KLM and the 330? Did I miss something? -Will Obviously .. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&edition=us&ie=UTF-8&q=KLM+A330&lr=&sa=N&t
42 KL911 : SafetyDude, KLM ordered 24 A330-200's, of which 6 are firm orders. Deliveries for the aircraft are scheduled to begin in April 2005. KL911
43 Col : I would guess that BA would need more 321, rather than smaller 319's. 321's arriving would replace old 757's, plus 319/320's on trunk routes out of LH
44 F4f3a : BA s needs the 757/767 replacement soon this could be part of that. Possibly a330s. A friend of mine is an fo on the 320 fleet he turned down position
45 JGPH1A : On a related note, I'd be prepared to bet that BA will "share" QF's A380's, and operate them jointly on the JSA routes to Australia - bypassing the ne
46 Post contains images SafetyDude : KLM ordered 24 A330-200's, of which 6 are firm orders. Deliveries for the aircraft are scheduled to begin in April 2005. Thank you for letting me know
47 Post contains images Blueshamu330s : The boffs at BA wont ever want Airbus long haul a/c in their fleet because they spend almost more time on the ground than in the air... Virgin Atlant
48 JeffDCA : The boffs at BA wont ever want Airbus long haul a/c in their fleet Regarding what F4f3a said, if a BA pilot himself has turned down a 777 job, becuase
49 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : if a BA pilot himself has turned down a 777 job, becuase of speculation within the airline of a long haul Airbus order approaching, i'd tend to believ
50 F4f3a : The other thing which might push BA towards having long haul airbus is that they carry a lot of freight for there size. BA has said that they had unde
51 Post contains images JeffDCA : ConcordeBoy, if you'd actually taken the time to read through the posts in this forum properly, rather than jumping at the opportunity to once again p
52 RRFan : Concorde "BOY" I don't see what these constant attacks on JeffDCA are proving? If he has a source, he has a source. What makes your sources so special
53 Sabena 690 : BA has to look at the future, and an order for an aircraft like the A380 wouldn't be that surprising, but BA wanting a fleet of a single manufacturer?
54 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : long haul airbus is that they carry a lot of freight for there size Ah, but that's where you have to be careful... Take the A343E versus the 772ER for
55 RRFan : Concordeboy, Concordeboy, Concordeboy! When will you learn, we are not listening, we are laughing! When you figure out what I do for a living, maybe y
56 Gigneil : I don't see what these constant attacks on JeffDCA are proving? Its not an attack. Its a rationalization. There's a difference. I assure you, cboy cou
57 RRFan : GIGNEIL, Looks like you've got a little friend aswell! How sweet.
58 ConcordeBoy : Its not an attack. Its a rationalization. There's a difference. I assure you, cboy could care less about attacking your little friend. Exactly. I'm ju
59 JeffDCA : I assure you, cboy could care less about attacking your little friend. Seems to be his fetish at the moment. Again, no insult was really offered this
60 Post contains images JeffDCA : I'm just suggesting this poster back at least one of his (typically outlandish) claims with something other than "a BA pilot said so". You need your e
61 Sabena 690 : Can we please go back to topic NOW... Frederic
62 JeffDCA : Yes, please lets do! Cheers, Jeff
63 LHcapt2007 : yes jeff nice assertion now that youre in over your head....
64 JeffDCA : yes jeff nice assertion now that youre in over your head.... Huh? I was just agreeing with Sabena 690's sensible comment. Sorry for not asking you for
65 Post contains links and images A340600 : couple dozen of 747Advanced in the next 10 years to replace their 747-400s To be honest I don't see the 747 line around that long!!! No chance. Seriou
66 Post contains images Glideslope : Yes, it's always nice to read Sabena 690's rational observations. The vast majority of threads in here always end up being the USA vs EU. Of course g
67 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Now we ave too many 777s and too little A340's. Such a situation my friend, is not possible
68 Gilesdavies : Something else to speculate about... Maybe BA are looking for a replacement for their aging 767-300's that they use on the "skeleton" long haul routes
69 Voodoo : Even though BA have been making a nice little profit in the last few months their finances are still precarious and wouldn't take much to push them ov
70 Btblue : How about a possible order for the A330 and the 380? The two aircraft types I am sure would compliment the BA fleet in a few years time. The A380 coul
71 Rjpieces : I hope you're not referring to me as being an idiot, Gigneil, i know far more people in this industry than you seem to think i do. People who run to a
72 JeffDCA : People who run to an aviation website and brag about all of their connections, and then attempt to back it up by posting pure bull**it, the (lack of)
73 Post contains images A340600 : Hi guys, A while back, I did these, thought they may be of interest, My personal favourite is the Tartan, god I did these aaages ago, Cheers Sam
74 Mhodgson : I can see BA buying the A380 frankly. Almost all their competitors on the Kangaroo Route (QF, MH, SQ, EK, VS soon, plus potentially Qatar and Ethiad c
75 FlyCaledonian : 767-336 replacement This would be more of a reality if Airbus hadn't secured the RAF Tamker aircraft contract. The Boeing proposal was for the BA 767s
76 Dutchjet : Anything is possible, and BA execs visiting Toulouse does not mean an order is forthcoming, BA and Airbus can be talking about anything and everything
77 Post contains images Klaus : BA might very well try to prepare for the upward leg of the coming cycle - and they should! In that case, they´ll more or less need the A380 as other
78 AvObserver : I agree with many here that this is a rather speculative thread based on some rather sketchy and inconclusive facts. Without revealing your 'reliable
79 JGPH1A : One small point - re: Also, remember that cargo is priced by weight, not volume. Not true. Cargo is charged by weight OR volumetric weight - freight c
80 David_itl : Don't think MAN will get A319s (wouldn't this be going against their "Future Size and Shape" programme which saw them cancel the A318 order that woul
81 GDB : Had an interesting conversation today with someone involved in fleet planning at BA. Taking up some of the remaining A32X options is likely, but for a
82 Ruscoe : Pure speculation, but my guess is that they were looking at the Airbus 330 (maybe 350) response to the 7E7 before firming up their 7E7 committment. Ru
83 Planesarecool : Every Saturday morning when I wake up I can hear GE-90 after GE-90 thundering away!!! We used to be Tri-jet heaven but the 777's killed em. Now we ave
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