FRAflyer From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 41 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8426 times:
according to the German newspaper "Die Welt", Berlin Schoenefeld-Airport is negotiating with a us-based airline in order to establish non-stop service to America, starting in summer 2005. There's nothing firm yet, they're still investigating the demand and profitability.
No airline has been mentioned in the article. Any ideas?
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7703 posts, RR: 55 Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8302 times:
I bet it's Continental. They're the only ones who are any good at small loads across the pond - Edinburgh, Lisbon et al.
Berlin is a graveyard for trans-Atlantic ambitions, they should tread carefully if they want it to work. I say anything bigger than a 757 (maybe 762 in summer) is pushing the boat out a little too far. I know it should be a moneyspinner, the capital of the biggest country in Europe (100m Germans! holy christ!) and one of the world's biggest economies, to the USA. Should be ch-ching, right? No, I don't know why not either. But it ain't, so CO (for it is they) should proceed with extreme caution.
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EI2KSEA From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 573 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8253 times:
I suppose Berlin could be likened to Washington DC, where New York, Chicago and others completely shadow its international operations - since Frankfurt is such a huge LH hub as well as the financial capital of Germany and the Eurozone, it may just be that Berlin hasnt got enough of them premium fares to support any US incumbants long term ambitions and revenue hopes.
Incidentally could a CO 757 do EWR-Berlin nonstop with a full load? Just wondering....
KEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8227 times:
Well IMO the only thing that could work to get any serious business traffic is a 2 times a day flight to NY (or Washington ..).
But as Cedarjet says, others tried before; LH, DL .. without succes.
if you want to go from Berlin to one the other big destinations you have to make 1 transfer anyway so why not in one of the 4 big European hubs. Those hubs are connected to the biggest 20 destinations directly ...
Timetable flexibility is what business travellers want & 1 flight a day is to restrictive then ...
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7673 posts, RR: 18 Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8143 times:
There are only a handful of European-North American city pairs that have been able support multiple daily flights, and Berlin isn't among that short list.
The Great Circle Mapper puts SXF-EWR at ~3400nm. Within the range of a 757-200, but with what kind of load could it reasonably take 95% of the time. Given the feed that Continental could offer from Newark it seems reasonable. I just would have to wonder if there is enough high-yield, time sensative demand on both ends. For what demand their is the hassle of connecting via AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA, AMS, CDG, or LHR probably isn't all that great.
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BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 18 Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8038 times:
I seem to recall that a 737 BBJ is operated on behalf of Lufthansa between a German town (sorry cannot remember which) and Chicago or New York, where there is insufficient demand for a full 767/777 service. Perhaps Lufthansa might be thinking of establishing a similar service from Berlin?
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FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7958 times:
No way CO.
It won't be one of the Big 6 carriers. They would fly out of TXL to use the LH feeder flights. As per the article the new service will be ex SXF so I think if there will be a new service it will be offered by ATA or another charter airline.
EI2KSEA From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 573 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7859 times:
I can remember a highly abusive thread recently about the B757s relative comfort over the North Atlantic compared to widebodies, beit my subconscious or what i dont know, but i certainly wouldnt relish the thought of a B757 Berlin-Newark having done SNN-EWR a few times. Twould be great to get the CO B762
EI2KSEA From Ireland, joined Jul 2004, 573 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7804 times:
N328KF, I merely compared Berlin to DC in the context that despite its status as the capital city of the country, this doesnt mean it has to be the premier international gateway to the country or that significant international traffic will be attracted, maybe Canberra would have be a better choice in my comparison.
FraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7739 times:
CO and LH are no partners. But CO pays LH for every intra-German feeder segment a pro rate.
Face it. CO couldn't make money in DUS (the last months also with a 752) so they won't try Berlin. If LH couldn't make money with all their feeder service and other possibilities in the German market how should a U.S. carrier do so.
Cory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7703 times:
Well, the article says that it would be an American carrier, so it wouldn't be LTU. If it were to be one of the "Big Six", it would probably be CO with a wingletted 752 from EWR. However, it is doubtful that they would look into such a route, especially considering that they couldn't get DUS to work.
FutureFO From New Caledonia, joined Oct 2001, 3095 posts, RR: 24 Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks ago) and read 7599 times:
LH used to operate to TXL from IAD on the 343. 6x weekly. About every other day the a/c would go out full. I think that with Star being the largest alliance I can see a JFK-TXL or ORD-TXL flights on LH or UA. Just a thought. I don't think it would go to anyone else. If CO gets it the flights would be on a 762 not a 757. Just mainly for the range aspects. The 757 is bad enough on the CLE-LGW flights.