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Loads On IAH-JFK  
User currently offline767-300ER From United States of America, joined May 1999, 130 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

How are CO loads on IAH-JFK, ive flown the route twice in the last 2 months, and all flights were packed, no standbys on. Although, its only a once daily 735. Would CO increase service, or upgrade equipment? Also DL flew IAH-JFK for a short time a few years ago, will DL ever bring that route back, to enhance service to its "new" JFK hub? Also would JetBlue ever look to houston for service to JFK?



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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

A lot of folks are waiting for JetBlue to get their butt down here. If for no other reason, it will lower all the fares....

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Anyone have the current number of dailies from Bush to LaGuardia and Liberty, on top of that?

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

I would guess that the flight is more for New Yorkers (who can't/won't travel to EWR) connecting to S/Central American flights in IAH....

User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Fares on direct service between BUSH and any NYC airport are insanely high. It is a perfect target for Jetblue. I eagerly await their arrival.

User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Is there any space at IAH for new carriers such as B6? CO has B, C, part of D, and E all taken, leaving all of the other domestic carriers in A. Even if B6 were to move in, I think that they would protect their largest hub very fiercely, as they did when ATA started EWR-SFO.

User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

What about Song, DL said they would expand to southern cities....

User currently offlineAAnalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

A bit off topic, but the same can be said for AA loads DFW-JFK. There are 3-4 roundtrip's daily (on Super 80s), and they're always packed.


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5308 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

''' would guess that the flight is more for New Yorkers (who can't/won't travel to EWR) ''''


As far as I know the distances to both airports isn't such a problem. It's the same as London Gatwick and Heathrow. What do you mean with ' a person who can't travel to EWR'? It's the same to JFK, no?


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Cory-If I am not mistaken, TransMeridian only uses A-14/15 (formerly United gates, if I am not mistaken) for a couple of token charters daily to Cancun...


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User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 619 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

I was out at IAH on Wednesday from around 12:30 PM to around 6:30 PM atop the A/B garage taking pics. Believe me, there is plenty of space in terminal A for a new entrant or two. Gate A-8 was never occupied the entire time I was there and many of the other gates on the Northeast part of the terminal were barely used. The 5 NE gates are used by Southwest (around 5-6 flights a day), Air Canada/AC Jazz (4 dailies) and Transmeridian/charters (anywhere from 1-5 dailies). Five gates for around 10-15 daily flights means their is plenty of room.


Pete


User currently offlineIshky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

As far as I know the distances to both airports isn't such a problem. It's the same as London Gatwick and Heathrow. What do you mean with ' a person who can't travel to EWR'? It's the same to JFK, no?

There are many New Yorkers who refuse to fly out of EWR simply for the fact that it is in New Jersey, and fail to comprehend that the airport serves the city and its surrounding metropolitan area. EWR is extremely convenient for most of NYC, and even more than LGA/JFK in many instances.

re:Jet Blue-Is it possible that they may decide to fly to Houston-Hobby, rather than IAH, if they fly to Houston at all? I do think that its a route they'll attempt to try out, as Continental does maintain a strong grasp over it. Whether or not Continental will successfully drive them to the ground is another matter, though. I do think that there's room for both.


User currently offlineB727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

With EWR being the hub for CO, and the fact that EWR if closer to Manhattan than JFK (and also a benfits having a rather easy and short commute), it doesnt make any sense for CO to expand their service to JFK.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

UA also has one of its morning flights (usually the one to San Francisco) leave from A-11 also, and BTW, Air Canada/AC Jazz has 5 dailies, 2 319's to Calgary, and 3 CRJ's to Toronto...the rest of UA's flights use either A-10 or A-12...but yes, there is plenty of room in that concourse for more flights...that said, I'm guessing that gate A-11 will get a few of the new IAD-IAH UAX flights...


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

With EWR being the hub for CO, and the fact that EWR if closer to Manhattan than JFK (and also a benfits having a rather easy and short commute), it doesnt make any sense for CO to expand their service to JFK.

I agree that it doesn't make sense to expand at JFK.....However, for the most part, EWR is not easier to get to than JFK from Manhattan. They are about equal. And not to mention that most businessmen in NYC use hired cars, not the AirTrain.

As far as I know the distances to both airports isn't such a problem. It's the same as London Gatwick and Heathrow. What do you mean with ' a person who can't travel to EWR'? It's the same to JFK, no?

Well JFK and EWR are both parts of a HUGE metropolitan area. A person living an hour west of EWR would probably not travel 2 hours to JFK, while a person living out on Long Island probably wouldn't travel the 2 hours to EWR. If you live in between JFK and EWR (in NYC), then sure, either airport is an option.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Rjpieces-Unfortunately, that's not entirely true. While people in New Jersey are predominantly going to go to Newark, and people in Manhattan are split between the three airports, people on Long Island are, depending on their purpose, split between LGA and JFK. It is nearly impossible to find a flight within LaGuardia's 1500-mile-and-Denver perimeter out of JFK...as far as it not making sense for CO to expand at JFK, it makes no sense that they are even IN JFK with the flights that they have. I mean, a SINGLE ERJ-135 daily from Cleveland, and a SINGLE 737-500 daily from Houston, why even waste money on the outstation? Even more embarrasing is Air Canada, which has a SINGLE flight (if I am not mistaken, on an A-319) to Vancouver out of JFK...the two airlines would probably be better off simply writing the station off...


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User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3631 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 1926 times:

Maybe AC doesnt write the station off because they make money with their flight to Vancouver!
They can't serve it from LGA because it's outside the perimeter and they won't serve it from EWR because it is not New York's int'l airport. Plain and simple--only JFK fits that role.
As for CO, I mentioned earlier that when B6 starts the route you will see them have 5+ flights a day to JFK.
But unlike ATA at EWR, B6 has a much larger cult following in New York City than CO and B6 will clean CO's clock!
I can't wait for it to happen!

PJ


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 1920 times:

Remember, JFK also has lots of int'l non-stops and directs that no other port in the US has. MS to CAI is one that comes to mind. So, that one flight a day is likely to at least partially serve to connect to and from those int'l flights for those people that don't want to do the cab shuffle to EWR or LGA.

User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 1920 times:

But unlike ATA at EWR, B6 has a much larger cult following in New York City than CO and B6 will clean CO's clock!
******

All that happens with JBLU starting to fly to Houston is that CO reduces fares and makes it pointless for JBLU to be there. It is a hub city on both ends for Continental, and despite the comments above, JBLU will feel that there are a lot easier fish to fry that getting into a battle that they will probably not win.

With it being 2 CO hubs, it is too easy for CO to adjust and bend to make life difficult and pointless for JBLU. Secondly, a huge amount of the IAH traffic is transfer traffic which JBLU cannot offer.
j


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4050 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months ago) and read 1892 times:
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Loook for us to take some A gates here in the near future, also DL is moving to the C concourse, I saw the blue prints and outlines for the gates.........construction will include the addition of 4 RJ gates off the north side of the C concourse.


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User currently offline767-300ER From United States of America, joined May 1999, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

So anyone know how CO loads are on the IAH-JFK route? ALso why DL pulled out of IAH-JFK? Any other airlines you see serving IAH-JFK nonstop?

User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6936 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

SHUpirate1:

In addition to Long Island, JFK also sees a good chuck of southern Connecticut.



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

"Fares on direct service between BUSH and any NYC airport are insanely high."

That's not true. I've flown IAH-LGA and IAH-EWR numerous times, and CO has always offered me a pretty good fair to either airport. I've never paid more than $280 for a roundtrip.

If JetBlue decided to serve Houston, they would probably serve Hobby. Smaller airport, less delays, etc. and they wouldn't be competing with WN because they don't fly to New York.


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