A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9417 posts, RR: 11 Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12166 times:
As I promised, here are the photo's I took the day the Buitenveldert runway was used for take-offs and landings at the same time. On my website, the Schiphol Airport Page Two (Buitenverldert runway gallery), you can see take-offs and landings on this runway, including the situation I described in my other thread about the NW DC-10 taking off while a KL 744 was closely behind it almost touching down. On my photo these two may appear to be fairly separated, but keep in mind that the DC-10 was just starting to accelerate at a very slow speed, while the 744 was coming in with a much higher speed.
Anyway, I hope you will like my photo's, including the other photo's I've uploaded.
Geoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 7 Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11814 times:
Nice looking website, but couldn't really find evidence of what you are suggesting, and *please* ease up on the apostrophes! For starters, you don't need one on "photo's" as you're not abbreviating anything, nor is it possessive.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9417 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11767 times:
You mean, the word photo's has to be "photos"? I don't understand what you are saying. As for the evidence, I meant that some members here, didn't believe me, that the Buitenveldert runway is never used for take-offs and landings simultaneously and in the direction you can see on my photos. That was one reason I made a page comprising those photos. Thanks for the positive reaction so far (Geoffm & Luv2fly)
B757lvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11554 times:
Great photo's A388! Loved the website, the photo about the 747 on final with the DC10 on start up roll is quite exciting to watch, I think its one of those things that ATC does from time to time, to keep up a certain pace.. ( just my opinion ) I call it ' controlled madness ' These guys all over the world do an awesome job, and I'm sure everyone involved was acutely aware of what was going on. KEEP THOSE RUNWAY SHOTS COMING!
Sleak76 From Kuwait, joined Nov 2000, 345 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11344 times:
Interesting site A388. Just finished going through the different pics.
I was surprised to the the BMI baby with the 'Visit Wales' ad all over it's fuselage. Looked very nice. Reminds me of BA and how Wales also advertises on BA's in-flight channels. Guess Wales is really trying to promote itself. Good for them.
As for the Eritrean Airways aircraft (wonderful lovery) and you raised a good question in your site with regards to their logo. I assumed it would have to be their flag.
Going to the CIA Factbook, to see more info on their flag, I see the colors of the flag are green, red and blue with the gold wreath. They pretty much represented their country's flag colorings into their paint scheme (notice the aircraft's blue shade is the same as that of the flag), with the gold (wreath on flag) stylized differently on the plane. Quite nice, I have to say.
Here's the URL for the Eritrean glaf I used to help me figure out their livery.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9417 posts, RR: 11 Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11301 times:
Thanks for you comments and the information about the Eritrean flag, I also thaught their livery/logo had something to do with their natoinal flag. You are right about photos being useful to back up any story. The case here with the NW DC-10 and KL 744 was indeed a very interesting story, which not many people believed. I hope by showing them my photo (through my website), that I am believed now
Selam alaikum Sleak76 and regards to everybody else
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9417 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11202 times:
I know simultaneous arrival and departure from the same runway is common. It's just that not many people believed me when I said the Buitenveldert runway was used in this way. As for the situation with the NW DC-10 and KL 744, there probably was enough room, else it wouldn't have occured, but it was very very close, I would think. In case the DC-10 had gotten an engine failure, the 744 would probably have not enough room to take off again, without any incident as these aircraft were coming very close to each other at a certain point. ATC as well as pilots do make mistakes, we're all humans. I'm not the expert, it happened and it looked scary but exciting, that's all I would like to say.
Meister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10646 times:
Well as long as both are not occupying the runway at the same time everything is ok. If the DC-10 had to abort the takeoff, the 747 would go around. I don't know how long the runway is, but I would guess somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 feet, so even if the 747 touched down briefly while accelerating for a go around(yes that would be a legal loss of seperation and someone, either the controller, the 747 guys, or both would have hell to pay) there wouldn't be any real safety threat because there are 2 miles between the DC-10 at one end and the 747 at the other. Things wouldn't start getting really ticklish unless the 747 had an engine out on the go around.
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A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9417 posts, RR: 11 Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6712 times:
The aircraft on the photo (NW DC-10 & KL 744) were using the same runway (Buitenveldert runway), that's clearly visible on my photo. You just don't believe me huh. Just look at the direction both aircraft are pointed at or moving to. They are both into the same direction. I was standing on the spectator's terrace with the F-pier on my left and the E-Pier on my right (which is partially visible on my photo). Man, some people are blind or just can't except the truth!!!!!
Brian_ga From United States of America, joined May 2001, 287 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6068 times:
A388, Great looking website !! I was able to visit AMS some years ago and loved the terrace views also. When you talked about standing in the rain for 4 hours that is true dedication to a hobby. Keep up the great work.
Keep looking up, that's the secret to life....Snoopy
25 A340Spotter: A388, Very nice website indeed, good info on the ex KLM 733 going to Kitty Hawk as well, good to know where they're coming from. One edit that you may
26 Sleak76: Not sure why alot are over-debating the possible 'collision' point of A388 with sentences like: "once again absolute no dangerous situation here" and,
27 Benus: Thanks for the link to your gallery, A388. Some nice pics. I am fortunate enough to have been to Schiphol several times this year, on a mixture of bot
28 Sleak76: apostrophise (Ok, I made that word up) Actually Benus that word does exist and, according to Webster's, it means just that: "to make use of apostrophe
29 Jean leloup: I do believe that, in dutch, it would be spelled "photo's", as that simply indicates plurals for some kinds of words (mostly imported words, I believe
30 Jwenting: Must have been a different photo then
31 Geoffm: Tristar, I'm not being picky, I'm trying to be helpful (hence the smiley)! If you can teach one person one thing per day, then the world would be a be
32 Newkai: I just remember the captain of my OS flight from AMS to VIE saying something like "Well folks, it's going to take another twenty minutes until take-of