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Schiphol Airport Dangerous Situation, The Photo's  
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12641 times:

As I promised, here are the photo's I took the day the Buitenveldert runway was used for take-offs and landings at the same time. On my website, the Schiphol Airport Page Two (Buitenverldert runway gallery), you can see take-offs and landings on this runway, including the situation I described in my other thread about the NW DC-10 taking off while a KL 744 was closely behind it almost touching down. On my photo these two may appear to be fairly separated, but keep in mind that the DC-10 was just starting to accelerate at a very slow speed, while the 744 was coming in with a much higher speed.

Anyway, I hope you will like my photo's, including the other photo's I've uploaded.

Here's the link to my website:

http://rogereuropeanaviation.freeservers.com

Regards A388

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12321 times:

A388

Your website is very nice and your up close pictures of the planes are well worth the visit alone.

THANKS



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12289 times:

Nice looking website, but couldn't really find evidence of what you are suggesting, and *please* ease up on the apostrophes! For starters, you don't need one on "photo's" as you're not abbreviating anything, nor is it possessive.  Wink/being sarcastic

Geoff M.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12242 times:

Hi Geoffm,

You mean, the word photo's has to be "photos"? I don't understand what you are saying. As for the evidence, I meant that some members here, didn't believe me, that the Buitenveldert runway is never used for take-offs and landings simultaneously and in the direction you can see on my photos. That was one reason I made a page comprising those photos. Thanks for the positive reaction so far (Geoffm & Luv2fly)  Wink/being sarcastic

Regards A388


User currently offlineApuneger From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 3032 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12195 times:

Must have been a tight clearance the KLM 747 received.

Ivan



Ivan Coninx - Brussels Aviation Photography
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6531 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12047 times:

A388,

What he is saying is the word photos is the plural of photo. A person may have a photo (one) or photos (many).

's is the possesive when added to a word.An example would be if A388 owned a book it would be A388's book.

Anyway, great web site!!!


User currently offlineB757lvr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12029 times:

Great photo's A388! Loved the website, the photo about the 747 on final with the DC10 on start up roll is quite exciting to watch, I think its one of those things that ATC does from time to time, to keep up a certain pace.. ( just my opinion ) I call it ' controlled madness ' These guys all over the world do an awesome job, and I'm sure everyone involved was acutely aware of what was going on. KEEP THOSE RUNWAY SHOTS COMING!

User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12000 times:

Very nice website, congratulations, keep up the good work!
Greetings from Panama.

[Edited 2004-07-31 18:47:22]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11951 times:

Bobnwa (& Geoffm),

Thanks for the clarification. I have corrected the misspellings, thanks. And for everybody else, thanks for the comments  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards A388


User currently offlineSleak76 From Kuwait, joined Nov 2000, 345 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11819 times:

Interesting site A388. Just finished going through the different pics.

I was surprised to the the BMI baby with the 'Visit Wales' ad all over it's fuselage. Looked very nice. Reminds me of BA and how Wales also advertises on BA's in-flight channels. Guess Wales is really trying to promote itself. Good for them.

As for the Eritrean Airways aircraft (wonderful lovery) and you raised a good question in your site with regards to their logo. I assumed it would have to be their flag.

Going to the CIA Factbook, to see more info on their flag, I see the colors of the flag are green, red and blue with the gold wreath. They pretty much represented their country's flag colorings into their paint scheme (notice the aircraft's blue shade is the same as that of the flag), with the gold (wreath on flag) stylized differently on the plane. Quite nice, I have to say.

Here's the URL for the Eritrean glaf I used to help me figure out their livery.

http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/flags/er-flag.html

Good site (and I see your point re. the 744 coming in close to the departing NWA). Saw your post last week regarding this - and it's always useful to have a pic to backup a story.

Cheers.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11776 times:

Hi Sleak76,

Thanks for you comments and the information about the Eritrean flag, I also thaught their livery/logo had something to do with their natoinal flag. You are right about photos being useful to back up any story. The case here with the NW DC-10 and KL 744 was indeed a very interesting story, which not many people believed. I hope by showing them my photo (through my website), that I am believed now  Wink/being sarcastic

Selam alaikum Sleak76 and regards to everybody else  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

A388


User currently onlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2264 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11707 times:

Simultaneous arrival and departure from the same runway is fairly standard in many places. There was plenty of room.


I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 11677 times:

SPREE34,

I know simultaneous arrival and departure from the same runway is common. It's just that not many people believed me when I said the Buitenveldert runway was used in this way. As for the situation with the NW DC-10 and KL 744, there probably was enough room, else it wouldn't have occured, but it was very very close, I would think. In case the DC-10 had gotten an engine failure, the 744 would probably have not enough room to take off again, without any incident as these aircraft were coming very close to each other at a certain point. ATC as well as pilots do make mistakes, we're all humans. I'm not the expert, it happened and it looked scary but exciting, that's all I would like to say.

A388


User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11121 times:

Well as long as both are not occupying the runway at the same time everything is ok. If the DC-10 had to abort the takeoff, the 747 would go around. I don't know how long the runway is, but I would guess somewhere in the neighborhood of 10,000 feet, so even if the 747 touched down briefly while accelerating for a go around(yes that would be a legal loss of seperation and someone, either the controller, the 747 guys, or both would have hell to pay) there wouldn't be any real safety threat because there are 2 miles between the DC-10 at one end and the 747 at the other. Things wouldn't start getting really ticklish unless the 747 had an engine out on the go around.

-Meister



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10659 times:

Thanks for the info Meister (and SPREE34 as well). It was interesting to see  Wink/being sarcastic

A388


User currently offlineTristar100 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10514 times:

Great photos mate, a good website too.

Great photos, good info and all communicating together in a friendly and happy manner is what our hobby on this website is all about.

Who cares if our punctuation is not to someones taste, the odd spelling error. Its about sharing our great hobby with each other,

So keep up the good work and sod the picky people.

Cheers, Steve.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10247 times:

Amen to that Tristar100  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

A388  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineEnoreFilho From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10046 times:

Checking the photo of NW taking-off and KL approaching, I assure you that there was no danger of collision, unless the NW DC-10 rejected its take-off.

If that happen, there would be a big mess.....  Acting devilish

P.S.: That photo really shows that "Ship Hole" is no longer the safety airport as it use to be, receiving prizes also!!!



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User currently offlinePhatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 9928 times:

I am familiar with the Polderbaan runway at AMS, but which specific runway are you talking about when you say "Buitenveldert"?

User currently offlineMoodyBlues From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9224 times:

Nice pics friend, you are lucky to live close enough to an airport with that variety of aircraft. Keep it coming  Smile


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User currently offlineTasha From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8610 times:

"Checking the photo of NW taking-off and KL approaching, I assure you that there was no danger of collision, unless the NW DC-10 rejected its take-off."

Exactly!!! that what makes this so dangerous. Unexcusable!!!

Tasha  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7399 times:

If you look at the photo you'll notice the landing is at the 27 while the departure is on 18L.
You cannot aircraft lining up on the 09 from the position you took that shot.



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User currently offlineKarlok From Netherlands, joined Mar 2002, 839 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7325 times:

With strong winds buitenveldert (09-27) is used for take-off and landing see here:


View Large View Medium

Photo © Kar-lok Wong
View Large View Medium

Photo © Kar-lok Wong



Absolute no conflict at all.

And about the DC10 and the B744, once the B744 reached it's DH and the runway is still occupied, they will make a go around. So, once again absolute no dangerous situation here.


[Edited 2004-08-01 11:36:38]

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 10000 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7187 times:

Jwenting,

The aircraft on the photo (NW DC-10 & KL 744) were using the same runway (Buitenveldert runway), that's clearly visible on my photo. You just don't believe me huh. Just look at the direction both aircraft are pointed at or moving to. They are both into the same direction. I was standing on the spectator's terrace with the F-pier on my left and the E-Pier on my right (which is partially visible on my photo). Man, some people are blind or just can't except the truth!!!!!

A388


User currently offlineBrian_ga From United States of America, joined May 2001, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

A388, Great looking website !! I was able to visit AMS some years ago and loved the terrace views also. When you talked about standing in the rain for 4 hours that is true dedication to a hobby. Keep up the great work.

kind regards,
brian_ga  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Keep looking up, that's the secret to life....Snoopy
25 A340Spotter : A388, Very nice website indeed, good info on the ex KLM 733 going to Kitty Hawk as well, good to know where they're coming from. One edit that you may
26 Sleak76 : Not sure why alot are over-debating the possible 'collision' point of A388 with sentences like: "once again absolute no dangerous situation here" and,
27 Benus : Thanks for the link to your gallery, A388. Some nice pics. I am fortunate enough to have been to Schiphol several times this year, on a mixture of bot
28 Post contains images Sleak76 : apostrophise (Ok, I made that word up) Actually Benus that word does exist and, according to Webster's, it means just that: "to make use of apostrophe
29 Jean leloup : I do believe that, in dutch, it would be spelled "photo's", as that simply indicates plurals for some kinds of words (mostly imported words, I believe
30 Post contains images Jwenting : Must have been a different photo then
31 Geoffm : Tristar, I'm not being picky, I'm trying to be helpful (hence the smiley)! If you can teach one person one thing per day, then the world would be a be
32 Newkai : I just remember the captain of my OS flight from AMS to VIE saying something like "Well folks, it's going to take another twenty minutes until take-of
33 Blackbird1331 : I hope Scottysair has read the last few posts.
34 Tristar100 : Geoffm, No probs buddy, my other half is an ex English teacher and I get pulled all the time (no, not like that). I think that A388 has a great websit
35 Post contains images A388 : Thanks for all the positive comments. I do take pride in my photographing work, just like everybody else here does. Sleak76 (and others) thank you for
36 Tristar100 : Take care A388, I will keep an eye on your website as I am planning a trip soon to AMS. Go for it pal! Steve.
37 Post contains images A388 : Hi Tristar100, I'm happy to help anybody out here, I know the familiar places near the runways, thanks to my friends here. I usually go to the spectat
38 Post contains images Karlok : I also like the spectators terrace called (panorama terrace), but one think can ruin your photos........ Running APU's
39 Post contains images A388 : Haha, I know exactly what you mean Karlok A388
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