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Delta Pulling Out Of DFW?  
User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

Until I see confirmation it's still a rumor but this came from someone (whom I will not say) I trust. Apparently by the end of the summer, Delta will be completely shutting down it's hub at DFW. No idea what will be left of the hub... flights to ATL, SLC and CVG only? Will DFW become a focus city? My big concern, as dumb as it may sound, is what will happen to the ASA operation there? ASA currently flies CRP-DFW and I would REALLY hate to see them drop the route. CRP needs all the air service it can get and this doesn't bode well at all for that particular route.  Sad I fly AA and prefer them but am still sad to see Delta leaving... I always liked knowing I had an option at DFW and used Delta on quite a few occasions through there.

[Edit : I did another search (just on Delta this time with no DFW) and found a topic that somewhat covers this but only says DL will be dropping some mainline flights and NOT closing down the hub... perhaps he was being overdramatic. I hope so. I also recall him saying the M90s were to go... so my apologies for rehashing a topic.]

[Edited 2004-08-01 06:37:44]

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User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7327 times:

I havnt herd anything yet. . But on the other hand YEHHHH ~ Nothing against DL but it was never their territory to begin with. . . . I guess im in hope that AA will add flights . . to cover for the DL pullout ~

User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 533 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7269 times:

Yeah, hopefully AA will get rid of 5-6 RJ's here in LIT and replace them with mainline and maybe DL will increase their presence in SLC.

User currently offlineRedraider From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 531 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

I hope so. I agree with Squirrel83. I don't want AA to have any competition at DFW so they can basically charge any fare they want and fleece the locals more than they already do!


My wife can't wrestle, but you should see her box.
User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

If DL goes from DFW, I suspect that you will see a big Airtran buildup there.

User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7137 times:

Now way AirTran Will ever build up there ~ LOL American Wont let that happen trust me . . . NO WAY ~ And For SLC DL needs to go back there and re-establish its name there so people know they still USE that city as a HUB LOL

User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

The mental giants speak!

1. AirTran is already looking at DFW.
2. DL won't be pulling out.


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3802 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

Since DL has been incrementally shrinking its DFW hub for the past 10 years, they may as well stop forestalling the inevitable outcome of the direction they have been taking at DFW and end their Big-D hub sooner rather than later.

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

Sorry, Squirrely, but AirTran already has expanded here. We've got two new destinations this summer. We now have FL service to five cities nonstop.
I think AirTran will expand here BIG TIME if Delta falls away.
Delta WAS big here- this was their territory- in the eighties and early nineties. Not anymore.

R


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

"2. DL won't be pulling out."

Depending on how things continue to progress, they may not have a choice. Very short-sighted statement.



Dave Mark - Intrinsic Algorithm - Reducing the world to mathematical equations!
User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2240 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

Squirell83,
So how will nearly bankrupt American stop profitable AirTran from expanding? Americans predatory past has caught up to them too many times now, both in court, and in their pocket book. Yeah, they ran Legend out of Dallas Love, but it cost them $400,000 a day to do it. That was 3 years ago, and Legend was still trying to make their first profit. AirTran is healthy and profitable. American is, ah, ah, hum, American is in no position to pick a fight with anyone.



I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6819 times:

With the impending restructing of the entire airline, I would not be surprised if they do downsize DFW into more of a focus city than an actual Delta hub. Whether Delta Connection ops are affected is another thing, especially with Grinstein publicly stated his view on long RJ (over 2 hours) flights; ASA flies a number of RJ flights out of DFW over two hours long. With AirTran now making inroads @ DFW, they stand to gain the most by a DL downsizing @ DFW. American has the bulk of the market out of DFW, Delta is slipping because they downgraded a number of mainline routes to CRJs, and AirTran this year went from having flights to just ATL to where they now offer service to LAX, LAS, MCO, & BWI, and who knows what cities they add service to next. DFW is an ideal location for a hub for AirTran due to its' central location, and the added bonus of being within range with the 717 for nearly all of AirTran's stations.

Delta is going to shutdown one of there hubs, and while SLC may be the obvious one (I doubt Grinstein would do that, with the it being the only remnant of Western's ops still around from the merger), DFW is inbetween ATL and SLC, so they may just cut it out.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

Spree34,

Out of the "big six", American is in the best position to pick a fight with someone. They actually turned a profit, although a small one, something that is incredibly rare these days. Look at NW's financial shape, considerably worse than that of AA and they got in a turf war with F9 and now I guess DH at LAN (even though it really isn't their turf). If AA feels that they need to get into a turf war if it were to help their future, I'm sure they would.


User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

"I would not be surprised if they do downsize DFW into more of a focus city than an actual Delta hub."

While Delta Connection offers a hub at DFW, I don't feel Delta mainline does have a hub there any longer. They only have around 50 mainline flights a day, not really a hub in my opinion.

"...while SLC may be the obvious one (I doubt Grinstein would do that, with the it being the only remnant of Western's ops still around from the merger)...

I highly doubt Grinstein is going to let sentimental thoughts get in the way of axing SLC as a hub. I'm not saying SLC will be downsized further, but if it stays or goes depends upon finances and not personal reasons.



User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5996 times:

If AirTran is to even "try" and compete with AA in DFW they have got to try and increase their service levels to a great degree. Their service on-board just sucks, compared to AA's and trust me, I am not a fan of AA, at all.

Plus, they don't even have curbside baggage check-in downstairs. I told upper management about these problems when I was doing some consulting work for them as they started to increase their operations here in DFW. My suggestions fell on deaf ears................

They (AirTran) think that low-fares are the "only" way to compete and to hell with good customer service on board and on the ground. They have a good staff at DFW, that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about the lack of service during the flight and no thoughts whatsoever about adding curbside check-in at DFW. If they want to compete with AA, at all, and try and get some of the corporate ($$$$) market, they need to pull their heads out of their a**es.............



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32603 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Squirell83,
So how will nearly bankrupt American stop profitable AirTran from expanding


Nearly bankrupt? Who are you kidding? Out of the six cartel carriers, American, who reported a profit (small, but a profit none the less) is considered to be the healthiest after the recent quarterly results.



a.
User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

JayDavis -

Just a few short months ago you could not speak highly enough of the accolades of AirTran, why the about face? Leave on bad terms?

Travis


User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

WOW News to me I just checked the airtran website. .

Interesting ~ I stated the last comment in theroy they already had one or two flights to DFW but looks like they have quite a few. .

THANX ~


User currently offlinePolnebmit From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5521 times:

I sure hope Delta does not pull out of DFW. They help keep AA in check. It's almost every weekend that you get great deals from NYC to DFW. By Delta pulling out, it will just cause prices to sky-rocket. It would not be a bad idea that AA move into ATL though. That will help keep Delta in check.

User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5036 times:

AA already has a decent presence at ATL. It's nothing compared to DLs (hello, biggest hub in the system?) but their five gates stay quite busy and ATL-MIA fares ain't cheap.

User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4997 times:

Yeah Travatl, very bad terms.

They lied to me about my salary and benefits.............
They came up about $6000.00 short on what I told them was my required salary.............I don't like being lied to.

They just don't have their act together if you ask me.
I gave them a ton of suggestions in ways they need to improve their act here in the DFW area, they didn't seem to care. They seem to think that low-cost is what is going to get them a presence here at DFW. I don't care how low your fares are, if you have shi**y service, people, especially corporate customers will not come back............

All they cared about was getting my corporate database..............



Jay


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4954 times:

How, exactly, does that happen?

N


User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4857 times:

I have a list of over 250 corporate contacts within the DFW area from my previous jobs.........they wanted me to hand that over to them.......

I don't think so............



User currently offlineN839MH From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4794 times:

The BIG announcement for the "new" DELTA will be on Thursday, August 26th.


Solodude!
User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5489 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

Actually I've heard this 'rumor' as well. It makes sense though for them to do this now because Continental is in an alliance with DL.....IAH isn't too far down the road from DFW........guess we'll wait and see......!

User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

There was an article in a recent issue of Business Week that said DL may very have to close a hub as part of a plan to avoid bankruptcy, and the most likely hub would be DFW.

AA started to run DL out of DFW about 10 years ago. AA used to have 12 or 14 roundtrips between ORD and DFW. DL had 6. As AA gradually increased the roundtrips to 23, DL's went from 6 to 4 to 2 to 1 to 0.

They've tried RJ service, but that is being dropped.

I was in SAT about 8 years ago and noticed that AA had 3 times as many flights to DFW as DL.

DL simply can't compete out of Texas with AA, WN, and CO.

DL would be better off closing DFW and increasing service out of SLC. One time, I knew I would have to fly to SEA out of ORD at the very last minute. Despite 4 flights out of ORD for SEA, only 1 of them had a connection to SEA.

Every UA flight for DEN and every NW flight out of MDW and ORD for MSP made connections for SEA. Even HP offered more connections when adding PHX and LAS together.


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