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High Caribbean Fares On CO  
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

My parents are interested in taking a trip to St. John (staying at the Westin) at the end of next March for next week, and as usual, I started to research some fares from EWR to STT on CO. On their one daily nonstop flight, departing March 26th returning April 2nd, the fares are pricing out at $746.50! When you multiply that by four people, it gets very expensive. I could understand if that was the fare for a flight to Europe or Hawaii, but for a four-hour flight, it seems ridiculous. AA is $150 cheaper for their nonstop out of JFK, and connections through SJU on AA are cheaper still at ~$500. However, a connection with 9K through SJU on CO prices out at $753! Why are Caribbean prices on CO so ridiculously expensive? Every single market that I look up from EWR to the Caribbean for those dates is at least $675 or more per person.

Will the fares always remain this high? Can anyone explain why they are so expensive?

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User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

The fares on CO are so high for two reasons.
1) It's spring break season (peak times)
2) They can get it.

I have tried booking flights to the Caribbean several times on CO and in the end we have had to just suck it up and pay their outrageous fares. Those flights go out extremely full and they are not going to give price breaks when they don't have to. I was looking at EWR-GCM for march this year and I looked three weeks out. I couldn't get one seat on the days I wanted to fly never mind the rest of my family.


User currently offlineN276AASTT From US Virgin Islands, joined Jan 2004, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

When are they looking to fly? Summer is low season and winter is high season. Try switching the days around, weekends are more expensive than weekdays. There is another topic that has been started annoucing ATA as a new carrier to St. Thomas with non-stop services from IND. Maybe that could be another option for you. The major U.S. carriers have a monopoly over the islands because it hasn't been economical for the LCCs to come in and set up shop. Most concentrate on shorter hops over land vs over water because they would have to outfit their aircraft with life rafts, thus making the aircraft heavier, more training for the flight crews, more expenses, etc. That's why we have seen Southwest come in. This area would be perfect for them, a populus that needs to fly, cheaply. Not to mention, Spring break to the Bahamas. There is always an island here that is celebrating it's Carnival it seems so there is always an increase in traffic. All kinds of different reasons. I got off topic a bit, but I hope this helps clear it up. Happy Flying.


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Cory, it's the first and most basic rule of economics: Supply and Demand. Lots of folks want to fly to the Caribbean during that time of year. From Newark non-stop Continental is likely (?) the only carrier to Saint John. The airline probably fills the flight with folks who are willing to pay anything to not schlepp to La Guardia or JFK and to fly non-stop. If Continental can fill a plane at $746 per seat, then more power to them. If they can't, you'll see fares drop sometime this winter.

Airlines need to make money somewhere to make up for the tickets they're basically giving away in competitive markets.


User currently offlineN276AASTT From US Virgin Islands, joined Jan 2004, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

OOps, mybad, I missed the March dates. Rushing.


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

I can understand the rule of supply and demand, and I understand that CO can charge high fares, but then I still don't understand why AA is $150 less out of JFK for a nonstop to STT. They aren't a LCC or anything, so what gives?

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Well my take would be, AA most likely runs a few more flights thus more seats to fill, CO runs one or two tops so less seats to fill. Also like others have pointed out JFK versus EWR.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

AA only has one non-stop as well, and like AA, CO offers many connections through SJU on 9K, so why the price disparity? Maybe CO just thinks that things like "meals at mealtime" are worth that much more.

User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Come on, do you really have to ask this question?? Think, it's spring break.  Big grin Plus you're talking about CO at EWR to the Caribbean. CO dominates EWR so they can charge what ever they want know that at EWR people might not have many other choices. Plus the fact that it's to the Caribbean, they know that there will be a high demand for it.


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User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

There are many factors that affect the price of something. But the cheapest I found was on AA around $414 connecting in SJU from JFK ( I typed Mar20-Mar29 as dates).

If you really want to try CO, you can fly EWR-SJU and then ho on AA SJU-STT for $474. Which is about 50$ difference.



ROLL TIDE!!!
User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Fares to th Caribbean fluctuate very fast and far depending on timing. If you fy durng peak times (winter, easter, summer, or pirates week, batabano, carnival, or junkanoo depending on the country) prices can be more that double, closer to tripple what they are during the off season. Many times AA charges $900 from a weekend in MIA form GCM!

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33287 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

AA only has one non-stop as well, and like AA, CO offers many connections through SJU on 9K, so why the price disparity?

AA offers many more connecting oppurtunities than CO. CO's 9K connection is a codeshare flight, it is not their own revenue making service.

AA can fly the flight cheaper for two reasons, being they operate a larger plane on the route and they offer more connecting oppurtunities via Miami and San Juan and have more seats to fill.



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Cory6188, not non-stop, but I found for Mar-26 - Apr 2, 2005:

$455.00 or Orbitz: CO EWR-SJU-EWR, AA (Eagle) SJU-STT-SJU.

From AA.com:
$449.40 EWR-SJU-STT-SJU-EWR on AA and AA Eagle.






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User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

As I experienced to PVR, CO sends smaller jets than other traditional airlines and therefore there are less seats. With the fewer seats that they have to sell they are assured to get a good penny for each seat. AA doesn't fill up they A300s to SJU all the time and they loose money becuase whoever is on their flights paid almost nothing. It's a vacation destination and if you charge florida prices you WILL loose money.
SR



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

I think we might end up booking it nonstop from JFK on AA for $601. As much as I would like to fly on CO (no offense meant here, AA people), it's hard for my parents to justify $150 extra per person for almost the same flight. Granted, the AA 757 will probably be a little older than the CO 73G, and JFK is less convenient than EWR, but $150 is a big difference.

User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

I don't know the exact prices for you date of travel but you could always split up the segment with a stop in MIA. The flight to MIA would be on a widebody. The plus is the widebody A/C and 4 per passenger when looking for FF elite status but the con is that there is a layover and there isn't a meal.
Have fun in STT
SR



W N = my Worst Nightmare!!!!!
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Why not try JetBlue to SJU, then hop over on one of the many commuters to STT? Trust me, you are not missing ANYTHING in a cramped 73G coach seat.

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1856 times:

For $300.00 less per person, I'd take the connection in SJU and fly the ATR from SJU to STT....... just a short jump over some beautiful turquoise blue waters.


Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

You may also want to try talking with a travel agent or C.O.O.L. Vacations. Airlines lock up a lot of their low fare buckets to the Caribbean, Hawaii, and Europe for tour companies.

Matt


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Unfortunately, doing a vacation package through C.O.O.L Vacations isn't an option for us because we own a timeshare at the Westin St. John, so we're on our own for airfare.

User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1808 times:

A brief update: After doing some extensive searching on the internet, I managed to find www.flycheapabroad.com, which listed an "opaque" fare for the exact CO non-stop flights I wanted on the dates I wanted at $612.70 per person. It was considered "opaque" because it listed the exact flight times and said non-stop, but instead of saying CO, it said "A Major Airline." Hardly opaque and unclear in my opinion, but it offered major savings over the fare directly through CO.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1805 times:

Just an FYI - Some of these opaque fares now no longer offer you the ability to earn miles......


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks ago) and read 1789 times:

I pulled up the reservation on CO's website after I had booked it, and it shows up as a normal B class fare, and the agent on the phone didn't make any comments about it when I called to add our OnePass numbers, so I don't think it's a problem. It isn't opaque like Hotwire; it was quasi-opaque, if such a word existed. But thanks for pointing it out anyway; I appreciate your concern.

[Edited 2004-08-05 04:54:26]

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