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American Kicks Off Passenger With Rude T-shirt  
User currently offlineCarledwards From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 15317 times:

Hey everyone,

I just surfed onto the BBC website and noticed this story staring at me. I dont think anyone else has mentioned it here in the forum, but it sure sounds interesting:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3526864.stm

What is happening to free speech in the United States? I can understand that articles which may be offensive to other passengers should be put away, but this seems very over excessive for a t-shirt, especially as many of us wear shirts which some may consider rude from time to time!

I've also never heard of an airline throwing off a passenger for such a reason? how common is this?

Would be good to hear what everyone thinks about this!

Carl

[Edited 2004-08-02 12:35:34]


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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7108 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15174 times:

The link doesn't work, what is the reason?

User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15147 times:

Here it comes

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3526864.stm


User currently offlineTbanger From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15144 times:

Try this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3526864.stm


User currently offlineCarledwards From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15135 times:

Hey sorry guys, I just updated it. Not used to posting links hehe.


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User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 489 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15035 times:
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Well, this America after all - Maybe we can get Ashcroft to prosecute them and have them imprisoned. Maybe the flight crew called Jerry Falwell to get his advice before ordered the passenger to remove the shirt. Welcome to the Theocracy of American values. Personally I think this gentleman has one hell of a lawsuit he can pursue.


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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 15029 times:

Oh my god, a boob. The end of the world must be coming...


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User currently offlineJMV From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14969 times:

Kudos to the AA flight crew. I'm glad to read some people have a sense of common decency and civility.


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14944 times:

Re: I'm glad to read some people have a sense of common decency and civility.

Or just that some puritanical Americans are so hung up about anything remotely sexual that the sight of a boob sends them off the deep end. Grow up, America ! BOOBS - 50% of the population have them, get over it.



User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8142 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14909 times:

JMV: "a sense of common decency and civility." So a human female breast is the height of indeceny and uncivilisation?

What's wrong with America? Why do they have this weird attitude about sex and women? The Taleban would approve.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14902 times:

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14887 times:

For starters, Americans are usually much more sensitive to this sort of thing than Europeans.

Regardless of social mores, free speech has nothing to do with it. You are traveling on private property and are subject to the regulations of the carrier. Just like an employer or a restaurant having a dresscode.


It also amazes me how there is always someone who will refuse to comply. What exactly do the gain by this except to get thrown off the plane? What's the point? Do they really think they have won a victory for free speech?

[Edited 2004-08-02 13:35:25]


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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14844 times:

How come everytime someone is asked to leave a plane in the US, there is immediately cries for a lawsuit!!?

The press only know a bit of the story and they report it. I'm sure there was a valid reason for their removal from the a/c, and I doubt very much the cabin crew 'yelled' at them as the pax claim.

I agree its harsh, but if the airlines T&Cs say they can refuse carriage for that reason, and they then do, IMO there is nothing anyone can do.





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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14834 times:

Nothing anyone can do except tell that crybaby to stop whining  Big grin


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User currently offlineCarledwards From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14823 times:

Is there anyone online from AA, or any flight attendants, who may have more information on this type of incident and its likely causes?


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User currently offlineJumpseat70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14751 times:

Free Speech doesn't apply when you are on an airline.

If the shirt offended "anyone" least of all the F/A, then the Pax was in Violation when asked to remove it and they did not. Which then gives the airline the right to throw their country butts off. Flight Attendants have to keep everyone happy, not two immature, inconsiderate moronic individuals with no class.

I can tell you without question that I would NOT have allowed them to board my flight. And I work for Delta. Civility applies when you are in a public setting.
There are cultural mores and they knew that when they put the shirt on. They tested the system and they lost.

Cheers to the AA F/A with the guts to stand up for what she believes in. And the agents and pilots that followed suit.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14726 times:

I'm all for boobage, but sheesh, how about some class? You people are all rowled up about the censorship aspect, but I just think it's in poor taste is all.


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User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14705 times:

An airline can prevent a passanger from boarding if they beheave in a way that may be offensive to other passangers. What if the shirt had a picture of a penis? Or used an offensive term like the 'F-word'? The issue here is that such a t-shirt is potentially offensive to many on the aircraft. Yes, we in the US are a bit puriantical about sexual matters but those whom may be offended by such 'speech' have a freedom of speech too to express that they are offended. That the person here apparently refused to be reasonable to change his shirt justified AA from disallowing boarding to this person.

User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14701 times:

Show some class, and wear appropriate clothing. That person was just thinking about himself.


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User currently offlineSu From Russia, joined Apr 2004, 360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14667 times:

The spokesman said that American Airlines' policy clearly stated that someone "clothed in a manner that would cause discomfort or offence to other passengers" can be removed from a flight.


how AA flight attendances can determine what passenger or passenger's cloth can cause discomfort or offence other passenger????

It that's the case then I can ask AA flight attendance to remove from the plane anyone I want...












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User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14651 times:

SU

Thats plain stupid. I think its safe to assume a penis or a boob can offend.

A brightly coloured labrador wearing glasses is offensive to animal lovers!
It has to be within reason....




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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14641 times:

Who decides what clothing can cause offense ? What about colours that clash, or last years Prada ? It's one person's opinion. Did the FA in question bother to check with other pax on the flight if they would be offended ? The entire plane could have been full of porn actors or frat brothers off to Costa Rica for a strip-show 'n keg weekend. I guarantee there wouldn't have been a single complaint from other pax if the FA had let them board - she was just exercising her personal narrow-minded notions of decency.

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14626 times:

Wooo Hoooooooooooo...! This is the news??? I swear sometimes I think living in Miami is like living in another country, we just don't whine about things like this down here!

Get over it guys...it's American free speech! your not always going to agree with what you read and see but you need to respect it.



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User currently offlineJumpseat70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14627 times:

My point exactly! When you are stuck on a plane with people for 8 hours and you're the guy in charge...you want to have a level playing field.

The smallest irritants can cause great upheaval. Wearing the shirt was simply a matter of taste. It offended the F/A so guess what? she's in charge...so you get to play by HER rules.

Civil Liberties mean just that. You have to be Civil to have Liberty.


User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14609 times:


As an interesting continuation of the same theme, male passengers might complain that the flight attendants' clothes offend them and must be removed.

Or, imagine the horror on an AA flight if the caterers substitute penis-shaped pasta for regular pasta in the inflight meals. Or, imagine if the passenger's t-shirt had only been noticed after takeoff - the plane would obviously have to divert and be evacuated with slides. If this happened over sea, then an emergency landing in water would likely be necessary. After all, anything sexual is worse than a bomb.



25 JGPH1A : Joni - good point. What happens if the pax had changed into the oh-so-offensive t-shirt after take-off ? Would the FA have had him arrested and shippe
26 7LBAC111 : Of course, it also asks the question "Why wasn't it noticed at checkin"
27 Carledwards : How about if AA were to set down a specific dress code, or uniform for passengers, on their tickets? Maybe they could all wear grey Fly American T-shi
28 JGPH1A : Re: "Why wasn't it noticed at checkin" According to the article, the pax in question was on an inbound connecting flight, so not only did the check-in
29 Post contains images 7LBAC111 : Here is an interesting (if not slightly off-topic) thought then - how do naturists comply with these policies? No luggage and a small bag with only a
30 JGPH1A : 7LBAC111 - I believe there was a naturist charter flight out of MIA or FLL this year sometime, I forget to where - pax were asked to bring towels to s
31 Post contains images 7LBAC111 : And you can bet if they spilt any coffee, they'd be sued!
32 UN_B732 : Long Live American! She made the decision to wear a t-shirt with naked boobs, potentially offending children, minors, and other people who do not care
33 Su : Hey Jumpseat70, Who is there to judge the appropriation of dress? Let's say If me and my friend were on your flight and there also were a priest in a
34 Post contains images 7LBAC111 : Su, As I said previously, there are certain things which cause offence to the general population - sexual images, religious / political statements etc
35 Post contains images JGPH1A : Re: potentially offending children, minors, and other people who do not care for boobs on t-shirts I think you'll find that most small children, to th
36 GKirk : They should have just turned the shirt inside out
37 Yhmfan : Assume you are about to board a plane with your 7 year old and some guy is wearing a T-shirt with really crude profanities on it. You 7 year old reads
38 Starlionblue : JGPH1A: Hear hear. I was just going to say. Children are normally much less bothered than their parents by this sort of thing. I am sure you agree tha
39 JGPH1A : Starlion - I agree with you that attempting to shield kids from nudity is pointless and counterproductive - kids are not stupid. They know from a very
40 Su : But again 7LBAC111, Who determines the appropriation of clothing? Why should the priest get away with his dress but if a man wearing t-shirt with boob
41 Burg400 : Here's a twist, What if it had been a Buxom Women wearing a tight figure hugging T-Shirt with no means of support, Would there be a problem with the r
42 Post contains images 7LBAC111 : SU I think you and I have different interpretations of 'offensive' I do not find a crying baby offensive - I find it annoying, but there is little can
43 Goingboeing : What is happening to free speech in the United States? Common misconception. Free speech is alive and well in the US. Re-read the amendment and you wi
44 ClipperNo1 : I have to wear my "Sock It To Me" T-Shirt on my next AA flight.
45 Carledwards : Goingboeing, Well you are quite right in saying that American Airlines removed the person from the plane, and not any part of the United States govern
46 JGPH1A : Re: I'm very surprised that the management seem to have backed the crew 100%. So will AA management censure the flight crew of the inbound connecting
47 Su : Good point JGPH1A If the person was able to fly the first leg in that tshirt, does that mean that the first leg's crew and passengers have "low standa
48 Post contains images KateAV8 : Hmmm, I'm a little torn here... The article says: "The flight attendant basically walked up to us and yelled, 'You have to take off that shirt right n
49 Mattnrsa : While I had no problem with Janet Jackson's "nipplegate" incident earlier this year, it is hard for any of us to comment on the American incident with
50 MD88Captain : As an American Captain on a US airline I can tell you that it is my responsibility for making sure the attire of our passengers meets a standard of co
51 7LBAC111 : Whats your point MD88? We all know the entire aircraft is your responsibility. How often does the captain go down the back to sniff out the smelly one
52 MidnightMike : According to American Airlines standards, the shirt was considered indecent and as far as Freedom of Speech, here is a little refresher course. ******
53 StarCruiser : Regardless of whose rights are what, whatever happened to civility? I certainly have no problem with nudity, nude beaches, topless cocktail waitresses
54 KateAV8 : Hi 7LBAC111 - I'm assuming that before the cabin crew can kick someone off a flight they have to get the Captain's input/approval. Just guessing here.
55 Su : MD 88, Did you know that your European colleagues have the right to remove the load/loud and obnoxious north American friends... [Edited 2004-08-02 16
56 D950 : I thought this was an aviation forum? Always turns to bash America, unless of course they need the Checks.
57 JGPH1A : Re: Personally, I would like to see people thrown out of restaurants for using a salad fork to eat their entree. Alas, that will not happen. Lighten u
58 Post contains images 7LBAC111 : KateAV8 You're probably right - but I'd think most captains would support the decision of a fellow crewmember. SU - Nice one...!
59 Su : Hey D950 Please read the messages from your fellow countrymen. You guys started it (again), not us...[Edited 2004-08-02 16:35:30]
60 Garnetpalmetto : Excellent. I'm pleased to see that American has enacted this precedent. Next time I'm on a flight and one of the passengers has a Confederate flag on
61 Petazulu : If my crew found it offensive or if a passenger complained, then I would ask them to change. If they refused, I would have escorted them off the plane
62 Post contains images KateAV8 : You've got a point 7BAC111...I'd think they would too. So basically an FA can decide what's offensive...in other words...an FA can find something offe
63 L.1011 : Jesus Christ! It's a frickin boob AA. We all saw it on the Superbowl. No big deal, I don't think anyone here can honestly say they haven't seen one, a
64 Post contains images KateAV8 : Thanks L.10100...LOL!!! You made my day. -Kate
65 Post contains images Su : Petazulu, If a potential investor would come to your boss in t-shirt with boobs, naked or god knows in what, I am sure your boss would have no problem
66 Post contains images KateAV8 : Okay I hate to admit it L.1011...your post cracked me up. -Kate[Edited 2004-08-02 16:50:34]
67 Cancidas : good job AA. and what happened to free speach? well, AA owns the planes so they can do just about anything they want with them, including not allowing
68 Modesto2 : Hats off to the AA crew to confront this situation. Rules exist for a reason. Yes, it is at the discretion of the flight crew to take action. Of cours
69 Post contains images SafetyDude : Or just that some puritanical Americans are so hung up about anything remotely sexual that the sight of a boob sends them off the deep end. Grow up, A
70 Post contains images KateAV8 : I hear ya Will!
71 JGPH1A : SafetyDude - I think the BBC published the story because Europeans just love hear how backward and puritanical Americans are ! (this is true). Serious
72 AAnalyst : Dierctly from AA's Conditions of Carriage: ACCEPTANCE OF PASSENGERS American may refuse to transport you, or may remove you from your flight at any po
73 Logan22L : This would never happen on Hooters Air...
74 777236ER : Stupid. It's a breast for crying out loud. Who does it offend? Why is it inappropriate? Why would a t-shirt saying 'fuck' be inappropriate?
75 Continental : "Why would a t-shirt saying 'fuck' be inappropriate?" I sure hope that's sarcasm.
76 Angelairways : "The flight attendant basically walked up to us and yelled, ... mmm so typical. dont you just love those military sky-nazi flight attendants. I mean
77 Post contains images L410Turbolet : AA got obviously inspired by that Nazi AAshcroft and his paranoia with sculptures...
78 7LBAC111 : Don't you think theres a slight chance that the FA yelling was exagerrated?
79 Post contains links Carledwards : Safetydude, I think many of your points are fair, but if you had have looked into this more closely, the news was originally reported by the Miami Her
80 Post contains images Brettbrett21 : ''I'm all for boobage, but sheesh, how about some class? You people are all rowled up about the censorship aspect, but I just think it's in poor taste
81 Post contains images SafetyDude : f.Are clothed in a manner that would cause discomfort or offense to other passengers, It would cause discomfort and I would consider it offensive, so
82 Alpha 1 : The Constitutional guarentee of free speech, or freedom of expression, applies vis-a-vis the goverment and citizens, not to people making assholes of
83 MaverickM11 : For god's sake, can people not act like COMPLETE trash when they fly? I know the days of white gloves and well dressed people are gone but for the lov
84 Aviadvigatel : A boob t-shirt is hardly going to start another sexual revolution. What is it with some Americans? One minute it's the land of the free, the next its
85 777236ER : I sure hope that's sarcasm. How is it inappropriate?
86 Petazulu : Boobage? Is that pronounced "boob-ege" or the more french style "boob-aage"? Anywho, these people are clearly challenged in the whole area of common d
87 Alpha 1 : Again, the level of accepting indecency seems to be the norm, not the excption here. Instead of bashing the jackasses who looked like complete fools,
88 777236ER : Again, the level of accepting indecency seems to be the norm, not the excption here. Instead of bashing the jackasses who looked like complete fools,
89 Sebring : Just two thoughts 1. This is why the world is full of lawyers. Policies that are written by lawyers with a subjective standard are an invitation to in
90 Smcmac32msn : As an interesting continuation of the same theme, male passengers might complain that the flight attendants' clothes offend them and must be removed.
91 Aviadvigatel : Sebring: If the t-shirt read "George Bush is a boob", that would be a statement of fact, and allowable in my book. 777236ER: Well said. I guess the Ta
92 Carledwards : 777236ER, thats a really good point actually. I wonder what would happen if a gay couple were holding hands as they boarded the plane? By the sound of
93 L410Turbolet : Again, the level of accepting indecency seems to be the norm, not the excption here. Instead of bashing the jackasses who looked like complete fools,
94 RCS763av : Well done AA crew. What a rude guy, was he crazy?
95 Smcmac32msn : Sebring: If the t-shirt read "George Bush is a boob", that would be a statement of fact, and allowable in my book. WELCOME TO MY RESPECTED USERS LIST,
96 ReguPilot : I think the world is really comming to an End. Seems like morals, civility and dignity... things that had made what we are today its going away by the
97 Post contains images SafetyDude : I think many of your points are fair, but if you had have looked into this more closely, the news was originally reported by the Miami Herald: Fine, b
98 Palwaukee : In my experience, it's not the initial transgression that gets a person kicked off the aircraft. It's the way they react to the request from the crew.
99 AC345 : Bill Maher (American ex-talk-show host of "Politically Incorrect") expressed this in an interview on CBC News Channel: "America is a nation of drama q
100 Post contains images SafetyDude : You don't like the T-shirt or Janet's mammary gland, you do have a choice, change the channel or look away. It's very easy, no need to make such a big
101 L410Turbolet : ReguPilot, I can't say for sure from the article but it seems to me that no one from the pax was offended (maybe because they all face one direction a
102 MaverickM11 : "All that could be said by someone who hated gay people. Do you think it's right for an agent with such 'morals' to deny boarding to a gay couple hold
103 AC345 : Will, I respectfully disagree. They were thrown off the plane, to me that is big fuss about what I perceive as a non-issue. Like I said, the other pas
104 N757kw : I have a suggestion. Since we obviously need a dress code to fly now, I recommend an orange jumpsuit. So when you are arrested you are dressed correct
105 Post contains images 7LBAC111 : Safetydude, The reason most of the posts were from the UK and Europe is because you guys were all in bed when this news broke. We're at least 5 hours
106 Post contains images Captain777 : Its great what the crew did. What does this man thinks he could walk into a plane with children, ladies and respectful people with a porn picture on h
107 Trident2e : In the good old USA you can buy guns to kill people and nobody bats an eyelid. But wear a t-shirt depicting a breast and people are up in arms! What a
108 Post contains images SafetyDude : I have a suggestion. Since we obviously need a dress code to fly now, I recommend an orange jumpsuit. So when you are arrested you are dressed correct
109 Post contains images L410Turbolet : "Idiotic"? maybe... "unhuman"? oh, please!!!
110 Post contains images SafetyDude : In the good old USA you can buy guns to kill people and nobody bats an eyelid. But wear a t-shirt depicting a breast and people are up in arms! What a
111 7LBAC111 : And what an idiotic and unhuman thing that insane man did !!!!!!!!!!!!! That is a little harsh - it was not clever but hardly inhuman. Coming from som
112 777236ER : Wrong. That's an absurd comparison. There's a huge difference between denying boarding because someone looks like trailer trash/stink to high heaven/a
113 JetService : These types of threads make me laugh. The numbnuts screaming about 'free speech' are the funniest despite the handful of replies explaining to them th
114 Richierich : Holy Geez what a topic! And now I am about to enter the frey. I have to back AA on this one. This passenger was vulgar and classless and had the oppor
115 Richierich : Well said, JetService.
116 Post contains images SafetyDude : Finally, Voodoo's IloveNY parody (reply 5) is just in poor taste. 9/11 was not a joke and nobody in this country finds what happened very funny. If yo
117 Post contains images JetService : Well said, JetService. You too
118 L410Turbolet : ..naked female chests are considered nudity in the US. All mature adults know that. It is why my wife feels she has to hide while breast-feeding my ba
119 Mdsh00 : I am anything far from conservative on issues like displays of sexuality, but I think this was a good move. A lot of the non Americans on this thread
120 Markk : You know. If a few whiners can get a simple bible removed from a courthouse when the majority of us want it/don't mind it being there. Then a few of
121 777236ER : Just a couple of comments: 777236ER apparently wonders how a t-shirt saying "F&$%" can be misconstrued as being inappropriate. How stupid do you have
122 Jaspike : I'm speechless. How stupid someone has to be to be offended by something as natural and normal as breastfeeding? I'm thinking the same... I haven't re
123 KL911 : ''Kudos to the AA flight crew. I'm glad to read some people have a sense of common decency and civility.''' Wow, didn't know some people still live in
124 Jaspike : 777236ER, I wonder if I could fly with AA with one of my fcuk t shirts.. Tom
125 Sleak76 : 7LBAC111 Coming from someone who lives in a country where women have no rights, its more than a little hypocritical too Very rich. How about reading m
126 Post contains images SafetyDude : You know. If a few whiners can get a simple bible removed from a courthouse when the majority of us want it/don't mind it being there. Then a few of u
127 Goose29 : I know all you people from Europe and other countries can not understand, but Americans have become so uptight about crap like that. I lived in Italy
128 Alpha 1 : Lack of morals. What a wonderful thing! It must be nice to find everything perfectly acceptable-even two jackasses dressed up as boobs. I pity you peo
129 JetService : I know all you people from Europe and other countries can not understand, but Americans have become so uptight about crap like that 'have become'? Whe
130 MITaero : 1. Remember when flying was something you dressed up for? I'm glad the "rude t-shirt" guy got kicked off. Time to restore some decency to flying. 2. G
131 L410Turbolet : Nor she or any other flight attendant should be compelled to be on a flight to look after the safety of those onboard, if those pax simply do not take
132 MIASkies : Who cares what people wear!!! I think the flight attendant was just a very uptight broad...who needs to get over it! It's a DAMN T SHIRT PEOPLE!!!!! I
133 KL911 : MITaero, '''1. Remember when flying was something you dressed up for? I'm glad the "rude t-shirt" guy got kicked off. Time to restore some decency to
134 Dukebluedevil : I was once in line to board a UA flight from FRA to IAD and was wearing a shirt by French Connection United Kingdom (they make the shirts with the "cr
135 MIASkies : hahahah my FCUK tshirt says "FCUK SAYS RELAX" paying homage to Frankie Goes To Hollywood! Maybe thats what we should tell F/A's ...RELAX! It's a T SHI
136 Post contains images Jaspike : Oh dear. So anagrams of 'bad words' aren't allowed.. that's just funny... ...never wear a t shirt saying 'Newark' on it.. anagram of wanker Tom[Edited
137 David b. : The spokesman said that American Airlines' policy clearly stated that someone "clothed in a manner that would cause discomfort or offence to other pas
138 JMV : Flatulence, urinating, defecating are normal bodily functions. Should we allow folks to squat and dump where they please, simply because everyone does
139 JetService : SUch as a man with a turban? Sorry they make you nervous, but turbans are not considered vulgar or profane...unless they have those cloth boobies on t
140 Alpha 1 : Your time stands still, ours not......... You're the perfect example of still living 100 years ago....... pfff. Breasts are a perfect normal part of t
141 An-225 : Morals my ass. This country is way too stuck in 1766... The guy was a paying customer. I can understand denying boarding to a non-rev; I wouldn't even
142 Petazulu : JMV, Very well put! No one here is saying that Breasts are obscene or unnatural. Who said that? What American airlines is saying is that you cannot th
143 Mdsh00 : Also what I had heard on the radio was that the shirt also had the man and woman doing a certain "act" which was not made explicit.
144 777236ER : Lack of morals. What a wonderful thing! It must be nice to find everything perfectly acceptable-even two jackasses dressed up as boobs. I pity you peo
145 Skyway1 : On a related note....I had a passenger last night that was completely smashed out of her mind. It had seemed she took a nice fall before arriving at t
146 Richierich : I don't think we need to beat this subject to death by going through hundreds of "gray area" examples. IMO, "fcuk" on a T-shirt would be OK. "fcuk the
147 Agill : Great to hear that AA is doing so well that they can deny customers based on what clothes they wear.
148 JetService : Great to hear that AA is doing so well that they can deny customers based on what clothes they wear. Yeah, maybe they should've allowed them to contin
149 Mdsh00 : Morals are subjective. Some people think gay people don't have any morals. You are right about that. However would it be acceptable or moralistic if a
150 777236ER : You are right about that. However would it be acceptable or moralistic if a gay person were to walk on that plane with a tshirt that had a guy flashin
151 MIASkies : how about deletion of this topic..its getting old.
152 JetService : That's not the issue. The issue is who decides who can fly. Is it the agent? In that case, the agent's morals become the morals of the airline. 777236
153 Richierich : For the record, I'm willing to bet Southwest would have denied boarding to this passenger too. It is more than just about the choice of clothing here.
154 Jrodri1 : At last! This case has nothing to do with puritanical or morals. The question is not about how the rejected passengers felt, or if the AA agent did th
155 Tarantine : Freedom of speech can go too far at time! I am glad they got kicked off!
156 Sleak76 : Yes they do have responsibilty for safety and welfare of passengers but it gives them no title to hassle your ass just because they don't like your t-
157 777236ER : No one has yet answered WHY a breast is inappropriate, or even words like fuck.
158 Alpha 1 : Some people just need to grow up. Then, AN225, why don't people like you address that question to the jackass who showed up wearing a shirt that offen
159 Mdsh00 : No one has yet answered WHY a breast is inappropriate, or even words like fuck. A breast is inappropriate in public because it is indecent and can be
160 L410Turbolet : ...why not allow crew to concentrate on their work rather than on passengers... My words Sleak, she has more important things to do than to censor pas
161 Richierich : That's a pretty lofty assumption, Mdsh00. Swearing in public is something we have all done, doesn't mean we need to be proud of it. Wearing a T-shirt
162 Mdsh00 : Swearing in public is something we have all done, doesn't mean we need to be proud of it. I am in complete agreement with you. I am not proud of havin
163 United4everDEN : You know, it is not a matter of whether it was offensive or not, but it is a thing of just plain decency. Sure, he can wear it, but why should I have
164 777236ER : A breast is inappropriate in public because it is indecent and can be regarded sexually. A tongue and a finger can be regarded sexually. Words like fu
165 MaverickM11 : "Why shouldn't a gate agent deny boarding to a black person if they think a black person travelling with white folk is immoral?" Am I the only one her
166 Continental : Displaying the word 'fuck' on a shirt isn't inappropriate to you? Maybe they do things different over there...
167 Mdsh00 : But why are swear words indecent? Okay, why don't you go somewhere...anywhere in Britain and try doing it. Walk into a restaurant and say "can I get a
168 Jc2354 : The point is, the shirt should not have been worn in public. Common sense. Would you want your child, mother, grand mother sitting next to someone for
169 Post contains images SafetyDude : That's not the issue. The issue is who decides who can fly. Is it the agent? In that case, the agent's morals become the morals of the airline. If the
170 Dsuairptman : Kind of reminds me of the big outrage after Janet Jackson's superbowl stunt... Anyrate, as a red blodded American citizen I agree with those who think
171 777236ER : Am I the only one here that sees a difference between this and wearing a thong on a plane? Both are immoral in the eyes of some. Displaying the word '
172 Sleak76 : she has more important things to do than to censor passengers wardrobe. L410.. I still say that crew have the right to work without any unnecessary di
173 Petazulu : 777236ER, Quit being so wierd and try telling a restaurant to f%&k off. The word for centuries has been associated as an insult. Just like there are n
174 Richierich : But why are swear words indecent? Okay, why don't you go somewhere...anywhere in Britain and try doing it. Walk into a restaurant and say "can I get a
175 Post contains images Sleak76 : 777236ER, A tongue and a finger can be regarded sexually. Sorry, but your comparison is not on-par with breasts. 1.Finger can be used to scratch a bac
176 Longhaulheavy : Sorry to disappoint our European friends, but a sizable number of Americans believe in the idea represented in the following quotation: "A vitiated st
177 AirframeAS : As an American Captain on a US airline I can tell you that it is my responsibility for making sure the attire of our passengers meets a standard of co
178 777236ER : Sorry, but your comparison is not on-par with breasts. 1.Finger can be used to scratch a back - innocently. 2.Tongue can be used by kids to show disre
179 L410Turbolet : Sleak, if AA wanted to enforce this extreme Ashcroft-style interpretation of their Conditions of Carriage, they should've turn him away at the gate or
180 Mdsh00 : Fingers can be used to insult, poke and used sexually. Breasts are used to feed babies. Are you deliberately trying to be annoying? So why is it such
181 Blackbird1331 : Just so you know something about Americans. At a summer camp that I know of, the origins of the word "F---" is taught to all children who attend. So w
182 JetService : 777236ER, it all starts with the functions these parts perform for us and carries over from there. Fornicating, defacating, and urinating are consider
183 Boysteve : No offence to our American friends but no doubt if the t-shirt depicted a blood soaked gun massacre it would be allowed for fear of offending the gun
184 LMP737 : Boysteve: Give me a break. What exactly do you base your comment on, actual expereince here in the states? If someone had boarded an AA aircraft with
185 Mdsh00 : t-shirt depicted a blood soaked gun massacre it would be allowed for fear of offending the gun lobby! But a breast is not allowed. No offense but that
186 Sevenair : i dont understand america, whats up with you americans? You give guns to children , so whats so bad about a t-shirt with Chebs on them? Will you guuys
187 Ckfred : It is quite common at U.S. amusement parks to be forbidden to wear t-shirts that have rude or vulger words. For instance, you can't wear shirts at man
188 Sleak76 : 777236ER Fingers can be used to insult, poke and used sexually. Breasts are used to feed babies. Ummm... apparently you havent got my point the first
189 Mdsh00 : i dont understand america, whats up with you americans? Nothing is up with us. The only one that needs to get a grip is you with your over the top gen
190 LMP737 : Severair: Read my reply to boysteve.
191 Boysteve : LMP737 Yes I do base my view on what i have actually seen in the states. I was totally shocked by the disgust at the breast 'accident' at the superbow
192 Post contains images Crjboy : HAHA... a boob...
193 Post contains images Boeingrulz : Where are the pictures? I need pictures of the t-shirt in order to make an informed opinion . Carolyn
194 LMP737 : Boysteve: So you have been to the states a couple times and that makes you an expert on what goes on here? I don't think so. You have nothing to back
195 Starlionblue : He said "boob". Hehe ngnghehee...
196 N102daman : WOW All this over two people who obviously have no common sense. I have read the many posts to this thread. I originally wasn't going to reply to it b
197 Richierich : i dont understand america, whats up with you americans? You give guns to children , so whats so bad about a t-shirt with Chebs on them? Oh please. Wha
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