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Lufthansa A319 ORD-DUS  
User currently offlineAirliner777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 493 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

Lufthansa Cargo

Flight Number 437 (LH437)
Departure Airport: Chicago (O'Hare), IL
Scheduled Time: 5:35 PM, Aug 02
Actual Time: 6:06 PM, Aug 02

Arrival Airport: DUS
Scheduled Time: 9:15 AM, Aug 03
Actual Time: 9:09 AM, Aug 03 (Est)
Status: In air
Altitude: 37000 feet
Ground Speed: 470 KTS
Equipment: A319

Source: www.flightview.com


Can anyone confirm this?  Nuts

27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5441 times:

It's there scheduled Privatair A319 flight. The aircraft is configured in Business class only and operate 6x weekly flights on the route. Lufthansa Cargo shows normal passenger flights too, probably for the cargo carried in the belly hold.

Horus




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User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5418 times:

Is the DaimlerChrysler shuttle between STR and Pontiac-Oakland, Michigan also served by Privatair or is it a Daimler-owned plane not available to non-employees?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

As Horus wrote in his reply above, it is a flight, operated by Privatair on behalf of Lufthansa. The equipment is indeed an A 319 but it is a LR version in an all Business Class configuration with only 48 seats.

My girlfriend and I flew on the Privatair A 319 from DUS to EWR and from ORD to DUS, it was a unique experience to cross the Atlantic in such a small plane with so few passengers.

Patrick


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

Patrick,

You both were flow on PrivatAir on their A319 from DUS-EWR? How you did make very good flight from DUS? It is only for the business class on their way. It is very comfortable for their seat.

Regards


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5357 times:

Scott,

fortunately both of us are working for an airline, so we could fly on the cheap employee tickets  Big thumbs up.

The regular tickets for this flight are really expensive, I could never afford to be passenger on such a flight without the employee benefits.

Patrick


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Is the DaimlerChrysler shuttle between STR and Pontiac-Oakland, Michigan also served by Privatair or is it a Daimler-owned plane not available to non-employees?

The DaimlerChrysler shuttle is a private jet that the company owns. It may be operated by a third party, but it is completely off limits to nonemployees.

N


User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Thanks for the info Gigneil, that's what I suspected.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAirliner777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

WHOA! I was about to go crazy here. HAHAHA  Smile

Thank you for the information guys!

Regards,
Adel


User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 5069 times:

Where the heck does the Lufthansa Cargo comes from??? Mistake in Flightview! There are no cargo carried on this flight!



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

DABZF, Lufthansa Cargo shows normal passenger flights too, probably for the cargo carried in the belly hold.

Horus





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User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

Horus, There is no cargo carried on this flight at all!
Only luggage in the belly, no cargo!



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

DABZF, well if you check their cargo schedule to, for example Cairo, they show their MD-11F freighter flights as well as their normal A340/A330 passenger flights as part of their cargo flights. Besides why couldn't the Privatair A319LR carry cargo? It doesn't have to be big bulky stuff, but small valuable things like jewellery or computer components.

Horus




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User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4877 times:

Yes, I know very well that Lufthansa Cargo schedules include pax flights.
But I also know for a fact that the DUS-ORD-DUS flights do not carry any cargo!

Anyway, it's not a big deal! It's just a mistake/bug in flightview.com - All LH flights seems to show as Lufthansa Cargo!?



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User currently offlineEnoreFilho From Brazil, joined Jun 2004, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

I think it's better than flying the Concorde, because its a wider cabin, but it lasts about + or - 7 hours....


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User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

How full are the Privatair flights usually?

User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

this issue has been discussed before. LOL

User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

I thought the DaimlerChrysler plane flew between Stuttgart an Detroit. Is it configured like a Privat Air with approximately 48 seats, or more like a business jet with lets say 20 seats? I guess Schrempp flies on it a lot.  Smile


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

I think it's better than flying the Concorde, because its a wider cabin, but it lasts about + or - 7 hours....

To be honest, I had prefer to fly on the Concorde because I never had the chance to fly on it  Big grin. To the topic, both flights (DUS-EWR and ORD-DUS) were very comfortable and I enjoyed them, however I prefer to fly such long flights on a bigger plane in Business Class instead in such a business jet, don't ask me why.

How full are the Privatair flights usually?

I don't know how the flights are usually booked, but when my girlfriend and I flew, we had 23 passengers (including us) on the DUS-EWR flight (it was on a Saturday, so less business travelers), and 35 passengers (including us) on the ORD-DUS flight (it was on a Tuesday).

Patrick


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

Patrick,

It is very few passengers are flying on their PrivatAir from DUS-EWR flight and you will make increased with their passengers into the coach class on LH. What are you think need to make more people want goes on PrivatAir of A319. Is that possible for good example need to make more people on bigger jet.

Regards


User currently offlineSamL From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3126 times:

can anyone explain to me why these flights operate from DUS rather than MUC / FRA. Whilst I'm sure that MUC / FRA have much higher F / J capacities on regular mainline flights than DUS it is interesting that LH doesn't think it is worth doing Business class only flights. I guess that if they did it would mean that F / J class passengers would desert the mainline flights leaving all those 744 and A346s going out with noone up front. Does LH not operate transatlantic direct from DUS other than these flights?

User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

The whole idea behind the original DUS flight (DUS-EWR) was that LH liked the premium loads they were getting, but not the loads in YC. Therefore, the A342 was canned on the DUS-EWR route, and the 737BJ was put in its place.

United also moved their DUS flight from ORD to IAD and then all together cancelled it, leaving LH the only DUS trans-atlantic flight.

ORD-DUS was a smart move in part to tie in with United's hub there, and there actually is a MUC-EWR flight, operated with the BBJ (the A319LR's have since "taken over" the DUS operations). MUC experiences high loads for LH on mainline flights, both in front and in back, and yet could not justify another widebody flight to EWR which would only be filled with premium customers (hence again the original DUS-EWR effect, now this time with another flight from MUC).

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

Another reason is that Dusseldorf is in the centre of one of the wealthiest business and industrial area of Germany including the so called mittelstand companies. This means these people can avoid Frankfurt, have a quick trip thru DUS airport, and get in the air quicker.

Apparently, though, LH are having trouble persuading some pax that a smaller aircraft is OK to go transatlantic.

Also I doubt there is much freight on that machine, it's gotta be packed with auxiliary fuel tanks.

Interesting to see how the Swiss version fills up when it launches.

Anders


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

ANA--

You seem to know good facts about German demographics! Just curious as to Stuttgart and its surrounding region. DL operates the only trans-Atlantic flight from STR and seems to be doing well. What is the passenger mix like, or what is the area like business wise?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

The Area around DUS and Cologne is the most populated area in Germany with quite some industry and business. But they also have the highest unemployment rate in the former West Germany.
There is more demand for intercontinental flights in the areas around FRa, MUC and also STR.


25 ANA : Fly777 - Stuttgart is interesting cos it also has industry in the area - cars, metal manufacturers etc stretching towards Munich but it is 100 miles a
26 FraT : ANA, Vodafone is a good example. When it used to be Mannesmann there was a lot more travel as they were independent. Now it's a lot less as a lot of t
27 Post contains images FRASYD : "can anyone explain to me why these flights operate from DUS rather than MUC / FRA"?? MUC already has a route to the US and there are rumors that FRA
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