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User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

AF Operates the A340-300 and it would have been a dead give-a-way to assume that they operate the -600's so Why don't they?


4 decks 4 engines 4 long haul
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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4300 times:

AF prefers the 777 for their premium routes, and AF also didn't wish to add the Rolls-Royce product to their lineup.

This has been argued so many times it hurts. Nobody will know the real answer, and there are a lot of guesses.

The bottom line is that they liked the 772, and they wanted to keep their Snecma engine relationship.

N


User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

(BETRAIAL!!!!!)
So they have a relationship with a engine manufacture, and that has to do with ..................?


And I'm sorry that this has been discused before.
 Smile



4 decks 4 engines 4 long haul
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

So they have a relationship with a engine manufacture, and that has to do with ..................?

Um, everything?

N


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4251 times:

So they have a relationship with a engine manufacture, and that has to do with ..................?

Engines are a *huge* part of aircraft orders. The IAE Superfan fiasco was the reason NW turned down the A340, and lead to the CFM56 order for the A320, possilby out of spite. Don't underestimate the choice of engines as they are the single most important option once an airframe has been selected.

SNECMA are partners on many if not all GE products, SNECMA is a French company, ergo GE90 engines.


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4230 times:

SNECMA are a risk sharing partner on the GE90/777 as well.

hence...

A32X - CFM56
A330 - CF6
A340 - CFM56
A380 - GP7200
737 - CFM56
747 - CF6
777 - GE90

You can't blame them for keeping it simple and having one engine source, especially one that is employing and investing in France. Same with BA and their mainly Rolls or Rolls-partner fleet.

The GE partnership has made boatloads of money for the French economy.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4217 times:

SNECMA are partners on many if not all GE products, SNECMA is a French company, ergo GE90 engines.

Don't forget AF's large pre-existing deposit with Boeing and GE.



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User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4126 times:

I think the AF livery looks very chic on their 772's and 773's...much better than on the 343's.


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User currently offlineVSXA380X800 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

Engines are a *huge* part of aircraft orders

So If I own a major airline and lets say I want a BWB and the only I only have one engine type/Will the same thing occur again like the a340?)


I think the AF livery looks very chic on their 772's and 773's...Much better than on the 343's

Umm, that has to do with........?
Try nothing we're talking about.  Insane  Pissed


(P.S First time replying to A.net on an airplane!!
LHR-JFK A340-600....Rocks!)



4 decks 4 engines 4 long haul
User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

The A346 is a competitor of the 773 and the 744. Seeing as AF has both fleet types, it would not be logical to get the A346 (especially when you hear that the aircraft has been underperforming)

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

Because I said that, please don't start an A vs B thread, thanks  Big grin

User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

To: VSXA380X800 -> get over it kid  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Now, AF has more than enough long haul planes...getting the 346 would be just an excess with so many 777's, 747's, 343's and 330's.

and like I said before the 777 in AF colors looks better  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

ciao.



Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

"Now, AF has more than enough long haul planes... getting the 346 would be just an excess with so many 777's, 747's, 343's and 330's."

Wrong. AF has a lack of long-haulers. It would be redundant to operate the 346 alongside the 343, 744, 772, and 773. AF is centralizing it's long-haul operations on the three aforementioned models, with four subtypes. The A346 is simply not needed in their fleet- it would add another sub-type and another engine type, and AF just does not foresee that as a good investment, hence the order for the 773ER. It added little complexity when compared to the complexity the 346 would've added. Simple as that.


User currently offlineHenpol747 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 588 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

Sad as it can be, AF doesn´t operate RR powered planes, and for them it must be a pretty good reason, not satisfactory for us though!!

Cheers,

Henpol747



Vive la France! ¡Viva México!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

and for them it must be a pretty good reason

six letters: SNECMA



not satisfactory for us though!!

"us" meaning those devoid of simple economic comprehension?


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