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Who Actually Pays Full First Class Fares?  
User currently offlineKennedy1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 76 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8547 times:

I just found out I'll be heading to London in the spring (PHX-LHR-PHX) and was just playing around on ticket pricing. According to the British Airways site, a first class ticket would cost over $14,000. How many international travellers are paying full F class fares? I'd have to assume most F class passengers are upgrades. Am I correct? However, last Feb. my brother travelled from St. Louis to Rome r/t in business class on Alitalia and his ticket was in the neighborhood of $2,000, which even to myself (a middle class poor college student) is fairly reasonable.

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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8494 times:

The people that are paying for the First Class tickets do not care what the price is. They are the people that call their credit card company and say book me a ticket from here to here and it is done, no mention of price. The other people that are frequent FC Fliers are Executives and Celebrities. When not flying on a private jet they still want the comfort and privacy, also if you are trying to sell a company something and fly their people in to give them a sale pitch, you surly aren't going to ask them to sit in Business are you? Now the other people are like you and I the people that splurge sometime! (For me it is when I am traveling alone, my wife would kill me if she knew I paid for first!)


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User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

(For me it is when I am traveling alone, my wife would kill me if she knew I paid for first!)

so would my gf - that's why I'd never tell her  Smile


User currently offlineBaw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2028 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

Me too...I just walk up to the counter and pay the $50-150 one way and go on...and no, I am not currently an airline employee. I pay just like everyone else.

Anyway, one should never pay more than $3500 for Business to Europe or $5000 round trip for First. If you are paying more than that, you are paying too much. I sell premium fares to my clients at far below regular prices...so do a lot of others. You just have to be a little careful about the sourcing of the ticket.

Published fares from the west coast to Europe in Business in the winter are around $2300 rt, but with a 50 day advance purchase and limited inventory. If you need it right at the last minute, it can be done for the $3500-5000 I mentioned above. You just need someone who can get it for you.

Why pay full price if you don't have to.



David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8356 times:

One should keep in mind that the majority of the people that do travel in First are invited by the airline to do so. Most of them are Chairmans/FCO's/CEO's of huge companies, that even though they are getting these "perks", the airline knows the amount of business that it will bring when the 'commoners' of these co operations travel in Business or even Economy. (1 upgrade or free ticket may = 50 paid for business class seats)
As stated before I say that you should look around for last minute deals that are available to you before dealing directly with the airline!



User currently offlineQantasffCL From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8279 times:

Yeah you are all right, but I mean my fathers company, you book J, you get F. OR if you book an award flight Sydney to London (not ONE SINGLE J seat left for six months) they charge economy you get first. I mean he spends AUD$100000 with them and holds a Chairmans Lounge membership.

This is probably the same for the 1,000 odd businessmen/celebrities of his position.


User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10731 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8278 times:

14.000$ PHX-LHR-PHX? That´s a joke.
And twice as much as I paid to fly on Thai First from AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-SYD, and that´s almost 3 times the mileage. (btw my company paid it because it was the same price a business class on LH).
Honestly, I would never buy a firstclass-ticket from my private purse. Its not worth it if you´re not a millionaire.
Remember: for 14.000$ you could book a suite on the Queen Mary 2, your wife´s travelling for free, and a return ticket is included. That´s really something unique worth paying for.


User currently offlineUbidenmark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

In our company, which is the biggest in the world in its field, only members of the executive travel first class. All senior managers travel Business Class.

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8211 times:

Who actually pays full first class fares? I think this fits into five groups:

1. Fat cats
2. Senior executives of large companies on an all expenses paid trip
3. Celebrities
4. Politicians on an all expenses paid trip, courtesy of the taxpayer
5. People with more money than common sense!

If you not in any of the above, you will probably be in business class or economy class, if not paying the lowest first class fare.

I have not included friends/family of airline staff who are often upgraded when space permits, as they do not pay the fare.


[Edited 2004-08-03 12:27:01]


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User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8157 times:

My boss travels first most of the time in several OneWorld carriers (Mainly BA/CX and business EI) and some people might think it's a waste, but I don't think it is when you have to go from LHR to SYD, then back to LHR, then to JNB and then to DUB all within the minimum amount of time, while working in the plane and being able to get back to the office with all the energy in the world to take care of the business that happened while he was away.

KdX


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8142 times:

a) People with more money than sense
b) People spending other people's money

If you knew the huge margin airlines have on F and J fares, you'd never want to pay full fare again ! It is an unbelievable rip-off.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8105 times:

I often fly F/C full fare from DTW to the coast, I do this because it is often hard to get an upgrade, even as a platinum elite. There are other times, when I must be somewhere and F/C is all that is available for the time I want to travel.

When NW had international first class, I always paid full fare, it was a dark day in my life when NW eliminated that service.

I am not someone "with more money than sense", nor spending "other peoples money", it is just that life is short, and why not make the most of it! I often need to work on the way, and you can really get a lot more done when you have the space.

My father, when he traveled always flew F/C, although he started out flying when that is all there was, ah those where they days!



User currently offlinePilatusguy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8055 times:

In my previous company, the Chairman&CEO were allowed to fly First on long haul (>5hours) and business on short/medium.

In my current company, longhaul is business - short/medium is economy or corp. jet if you're a large enough group (or a family member .... it's a huge family company).

No one will sign your expenses for first class anymore... it's just not worth the money (I've been on LX's F-class twice thanks to overbooked flights)


User currently offlineSingaporegirl From Singapore, joined Oct 2000, 302 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8048 times:

don't forget the honeymooners! i love having them on my first class cabin. i enjoy spoiling these love birds to death, since most of the business/executive pax tend to turn down the full first class service (they want their appetiser, main course and usually wanted to be left alone afterwards). but the honeymooners, they appreciate the 7 course meal and usually we even have a special cake prepared for them, to congratulate them on their marriage.


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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17038 posts, RR: 66
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8022 times:

Several of my colleagues routinely get upgraded to F/C. They are in the "Chariman's Executive Platinum Toilet Seat" FF category so they automatically get "best available seat".

My parents fly around the world in F/C every few years. This is for them what cruises are for other retirees. The fares on F/C round the world can be comparatively competive, and they use the FF miles they make (doubled since they pay with an Airline credit card) to travel for almost nothing the rest of the time. That last bit practically pays for the trip!



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User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7945 times:

Earlier this year, I flew BOS-LAX with a colleague. Each of our tickets cost almost $1800 one way. Thank god I didn't pay - my company did. It may be surprising, but there are still huge numbers of companies that pay for full fare first class, especially in financial services. 3 hours + automatically means getting first class.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7893 times:

My company lets us fly Business Class if the flight is over 4 hours, but I think you have to be Deputy Vice Bwana to get First Class.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7876 times:

Who actually pays full first class fares? I think this fits into five groups:

At many major corporations, if the flight is longer than 8 or 11 hours you buy a first class seat. Over 5 or 6 hours you buy a business class seat.

These days, if we buy an unrestricted domestic ticket we get F, and if we buy an unrestricted C ticket we get F.

Corporate contracts are the mainstay of airline business.

N


User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

I work in the first class cabin often on flights between JFK and LHR. You never know who will turn up there as a full fare. Sometimes you get a wealthy Arab sheik and his family, all full fare. Once I had a wealthy family from the Philippines who traveled to London and New York just to go shopping! I've also had a few celebrities in first class recently- Brad Pitt, Helen Gurley Brown, Ralph Lauren, Laura Linney, Petula Clark, Debbie Harry, Corey Affleck, Summer Phoenix and Lynne Cheney.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7748 times:

I never flew in First Class because I can't afford it, the only chance for me to fly in First is an upgrade because I would never spend so much money for a flight, even if I would have it.

Patrick


User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

You guys have forgotten one major grouping of people who pay full fare f class - consultants at the big firms. When I was in public accounting, the firm required that we always buy a fully refundable ticket even when we went to firm training. The difference between a fully fare coach and first class seat is often just a matter of dollars. The clients got billed for the tickets so it really didn't impact the firm's profitability.

Given everything that's gone on in the accounting world, this may no longer be the rule, but my friends in industry tell me that a lot of this still goes on.

Finally, about 7 years ago, several NBA referees had a little run in with the IRS. Their contract with the league required the ref's to travel first class. A couple of them would cash in the tickets, pocket the difference in fare between a full fare first class seat and a coach seat, then use miles or status to upgrade themselves to first. They never declared the gain as income and the IRS caught them.


User currently offlineMIASkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7622 times:

It is quite expensive, here is an example; MIA to LHR - First Class on AA and BA:


- Select Price Per Person 12882.40 USD - > BRITISH AIRWAYS - 744 - 2daily

- Select Price Per Person 12918.40 USD - > AMERICAN - 777 - 1daily

ITS CRAZY! VERY EXPENSIVE.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5135 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7590 times:

Only stupid people book full fare F class, since business class is good enough to sleep, drink, eat and work, even during an 18 hour flight.

User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

First class SFO & LAX-LHR tops $15,000 round trip, nonstop on BA, but it's not the most expensive US-LON route, which is BOS!

Cost per mile of first class seat on some popular LON routes, based on nonstops:

$0.81-NRT
$1.27-YYZ
$1.30-IAH
$1.37-LAX
$1.46-MIA
$1.52-SEA
$1.55-IAD
$1.77-JFK
$1.90-BOS



User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7415 times:

I feel terible, I recently flew UAL, LGA-LAX-MCO-LGA for just under $400 and flew first on all legs!!


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25 Post contains images AirPortugal310 : I just flew jetBlue and believe it or not, I felt like I was getting first class service. Does that count? (sat Row 12 Exit....if that makes a differe
26 Post contains images MIASkies : Hehehehe feel worst...I am flying AA B763ER from MIA to SFO at the end of the month on Business Class (labeled as First Class on these routes) for jus
27 Sebwhite : I just flew first on LGA-BOS for $73.00 one way! Thank you Mr. Upgrade![Edited 2004-08-03 18:57:51]
28 Joleb : people: 1)prices online are never what people actually pay. fares online are rediculous so never purchase online ! please consult a travel agent for m
29 Galeaocumbica : Hi all!! I will never pay! It is too much money!! But my friend who works in a travel agency, here in London, just called me to say that he has a tick
30 Imonti : I have never booked a ticket on-line, for the simple reason I once tried online for BA and then thought this cant be write and then got the travel age
31 Imonti : One thing thou, on BA website it does say restricted and unrestricted first, of course you buy the restricted as there seems to be no difference in wh
32 Warren747sp : Thru Mileage redemption. it typically cost 80000 miles for biz class and 100000 miles for first class. BA first class product is much better than J cl
33 Sonyericsson : if you look at ba.com and search for fares to CPT from Europe or America, First restricted is cheaper than business class unrestricted. so no way to f
34 Imonti : Refering to people who have made the comments if you pay for full fare then you have more money than sense, in order to have that kind of money you ne
35 VC-10 : When BA lost the Concorde subsidies and had to make a profit out of the machine they surveyed the Concorde pax to see how much they thought they were
36 KITH : What is a full first fare, I know coach is Y, what about first? Im booked in CO BusinessFirst in Z which from SYR-EWR-CDG and back form $1900.31 im ve
37 Post contains images Starlionblue : Only stupid people book full fare F class, since business class is good enough to sleep, drink, eat and work, even during an 18 hour flight. Really? A
38 7E7 : >>Joleb You're Perfectly right. EK tickets for first (from MEL the least) actually list the full price, but only pay less than half. ex: $11508AU -> P
39 Trickijedi : I feel terible, I recently flew UAL, LGA-LAX-MCO-LGA for just under $400 and flew first on all legs!! Yeah but First Class on domestic routes is far,
40 Captain777 : I just heard that in Kuwait Airways if you are in economy you could upgrade to First class whilst inside the aiplane,it would be much more cheaper, fo
41 Carpethead : I work for a medium-sized company in Japan and my company allows anyone traveling outside Asia on Biz and Econ within Asia. The Upper Execs, I believe
42 Sllevin : First Class is like many things in the worst. It costs a disproportionate amount more for what you get. The same is true of hotels, cars, watches, and
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