Kennedy1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 76 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9804 times:
I just found out I'll be heading to London in the spring (PHX-LHR-PHX) and was just playing around on ticket pricing. According to the British Airways site, a first class ticket would cost over $14,000. How many international travellers are paying full F class fares? I'd have to assume most F class passengers are upgrades. Am I correct? However, last Feb. my brother travelled from St. Louis to Rome r/t in business class on Alitalia and his ticket was in the neighborhood of $2,000, which even to myself (a middle class poor college student) is fairly reasonable.
UAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9751 times:
The people that are paying for the First Class tickets do not care what the price is. They are the people that call their credit card company and say book me a ticket from here to here and it is done, no mention of price. The other people that are frequent FC Fliers are Executives and Celebrities. When not flying on a private jet they still want the comfort and privacy, also if you are trying to sell a company something and fly their people in to give them a sale pitch, you surly aren't going to ask them to sit in Business are you? Now the other people are like you and I the people that splurge sometime! (For me it is when I am traveling alone, my wife would kill me if she knew I paid for first!)
Baw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2045 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9638 times:
Me too...I just walk up to the counter and pay the $50-150 one way and go on...and no, I am not currently an airline employee. I pay just like everyone else.
Anyway, one should never pay more than $3500 for Business to Europe or $5000 round trip for First. If you are paying more than that, you are paying too much. I sell premium fares to my clients at far below regular prices...so do a lot of others. You just have to be a little careful about the sourcing of the ticket.
Published fares from the west coast to Europe in Business in the winter are around $2300 rt, but with a 50 day advance purchase and limited inventory. If you need it right at the last minute, it can be done for the $3500-5000 I mentioned above. You just need someone who can get it for you.
Why pay full price if you don't have to.
David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
TBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9613 times:
One should keep in mind that the majority of the people that do travel in First are invited by the airline to do so. Most of them are Chairmans/FCO's/CEO's of huge companies, that even though they are getting these "perks", the airline knows the amount of business that it will bring when the 'commoners' of these co operations travel in Business or even Economy. (1 upgrade or free ticket may = 50 paid for business class seats)
As stated before I say that you should look around for last minute deals that are available to you before dealing directly with the airline!
QantasffCL From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9536 times:
Yeah you are all right, but I mean my fathers company, you book J, you get F. OR if you book an award flight Sydney to London (not ONE SINGLE J seat left for six months) they charge economy you get first. I mean he spends AUD$100000 with them and holds a Chairmans Lounge membership.
This is probably the same for the 1,000 odd businessmen/celebrities of his position.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 11491 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 9535 times:
14.000$ PHX-LHR-PHX? That´s a joke.
And twice as much as I paid to fly on Thai First from AB) (FRA / FRF / EDDF), Germany">FRA-SYD, and that´s almost 3 times the mileage. (btw my company paid it because it was the same price a business class on LH).
Honestly, I would never buy a firstclass-ticket from my private purse. Its not worth it if you´re not a millionaire.
Remember: for 14.000$ you could book a suite on the Queen Mary 2, your wife´s travelling for free, and a return ticket is included. That´s really something unique worth paying for.
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9468 times:
Who actually pays full first class fares? I think this fits into five groups:
1. Fat cats
2. Senior executives of large companies on an all expenses paid trip
4. Politicians on an all expenses paid trip, courtesy of the taxpayer
5. People with more money than common sense!
If you not in any of the above, you will probably be in business class or economy class, if not paying the lowest first class fare.
I have not included friends/family of airline staff who are often upgraded when space permits, as they do not pay the fare.
[Edited 2004-08-03 12:27:01]
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
Komododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9414 times:
My boss travels first most of the time in several OneWorld carriers (Mainly BA/CX and business EI) and some people might think it's a waste, but I don't think it is when you have to go from LHR to SYD, then back to LHR, then to JNB and then to DUB all within the minimum amount of time, while working in the plane and being able to get back to the office with all the energy in the world to take care of the business that happened while he was away.
Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9362 times:
I often fly F/C full fare from DTW to the coast, I do this because it is often hard to get an upgrade, even as a platinum elite. There are other times, when I must be somewhere and F/C is all that is available for the time I want to travel.
When NW had international first class, I always paid full fare, it was a dark day in my life when NW eliminated that service.
I am not someone "with more money than sense", nor spending "other peoples money", it is just that life is short, and why not make the most of it! I often need to work on the way, and you can really get a lot more done when you have the space.
My father, when he traveled always flew F/C, although he started out flying when that is all there was, ah those where they days!
Singaporegirl From Singapore, joined Oct 2000, 302 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9305 times:
don't forget the honeymooners! i love having them on my first class cabin. i enjoy spoiling these love birds to death, since most of the business/executive pax tend to turn down the full first class service (they want their appetiser, main course and usually wanted to be left alone afterwards). but the honeymooners, they appreciate the 7 course meal and usually we even have a special cake prepared for them, to congratulate them on their marriage.
Ladies & Gentlemen, we will now demonstrate the use of the safety equipment on this aircraft...
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17491 posts, RR: 66
Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9279 times:
Several of my colleagues routinely get upgraded to F/C. They are in the "Chariman's Executive Platinum Toilet Seat" FF category so they automatically get "best available seat".
My parents fly around the world in F/C every few years. This is for them what cruises are for other retirees. The fares on F/C round the world can be comparatively competive, and they use the FF miles they make (doubled since they pay with an Airline credit card) to travel for almost nothing the rest of the time. That last bit practically pays for the trip!
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
Sebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9202 times:
Earlier this year, I flew BOS-LAX with a colleague. Each of our tickets cost almost $1800 one way. Thank god I didn't pay - my company did. It may be surprising, but there are still huge numbers of companies that pay for full fare first class, especially in financial services. 3 hours + automatically means getting first class.
NYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 693 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9064 times:
I work in the first class cabin often on flights between JFK and LHR. You never know who will turn up there as a full fare. Sometimes you get a wealthy Arab sheik and his family, all full fare. Once I had a wealthy family from the Philippines who traveled to London and New York just to go shopping! I've also had a few celebrities in first class recently- Brad Pitt, Helen Gurley Brown, Ralph Lauren, Laura Linney, Petula Clark, Debbie Harry, Corey Affleck, Summer Phoenix and Lynne Cheney.
N6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8930 times:
You guys have forgotten one major grouping of people who pay full fare f class - consultants at the big firms. When I was in public accounting, the firm required that we always buy a fully refundable ticket even when we went to firm training. The difference between a fully fare coach and first class seat is often just a matter of dollars. The clients got billed for the tickets so it really didn't impact the firm's profitability.
Given everything that's gone on in the accounting world, this may no longer be the rule, but my friends in industry tell me that a lot of this still goes on.
Finally, about 7 years ago, several NBA referees had a little run in with the IRS. Their contract with the league required the ref's to travel first class. A couple of them would cash in the tickets, pocket the difference in fare between a full fare first class seat and a coach seat, then use miles or status to upgrade themselves to first. They never declared the gain as income and the IRS caught them.