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User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 10164 times:

They have added PHL this year, they say that when they enter a new city they do it by adding lots of flight at once. So the question is: what will be their next "focus" city? Any secondary airports at Denver/Atlanta so that they can start flying there?

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User currently offlineAlitaliaORD From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9993 times:

Sorry, you won't see them in either of those cities. I think they tried Denver but it costs alot to fly there.


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9985 times:

From what i read in previous posts/threads, Southwest and Denver do not get along.


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9957 times:

No, they did not service to DEN, either and probably that you should try to find something else with the WN cities. It is not along on those 2 cities to ATL & DEN, either. It is focus city in PHL, MSY, MCO, TPA, PHX & LAS and etc.

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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9919 times:

WN used to have service to DEN then DIA opened. DEN raised all fees and WN did not like that much. They tried to get DEN to lower the fees for them and when that didn't happen WN went to the media and talked all kind of trash. A few years ago when asked if they would return to DEN the official WN comment was, the price of a cab to downtown is more than our fare DEN does not fit our business model. So NO WN will not return to DEN anytime soon and with TED, UA, and F9 having hubs in DEN and every other airline flying to DEN there is no real need for WN.
Now I do think that there is a chance that we will see WN either go to COS or FNL. FNL Just received a federal grant to build a new terminal and is already talking with Alaska, COS is a big enough city and is close enough to DEN to take a flight a day.... FNL=Ft.Collins/Loveland



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9782 times:

As for Southwest and Atlanta, until they finally build a second commerical airport for Atlanta, the only way you'll see a Southwest flight @ ATL will be either a) a diversion or b) a charter. Even with AirTran being here @ ATL, there are still some WN diehards that would rather drive 2 hours to BHM to catch a Southwest flight than to fly AirTran. The only local airfield that could handle commercial flights is MGE, and that's only because the runway can handle heavier a/c. MGE has been suggested as an alternative airport, but I doubt that they will ever do it. Back in the field's early days, it did see some commerical service from Eastern (Not surprisingly, the field was named after Eastern's President, Eddie Rickenbacker), prior to the field being deeded by to the Army.

As for a new Southwest "focus" city, my money's on PIT, especially with US Airways' impending cuts there.


User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9774 times:

ORF's parallel runway project should be underway soon, and if they decide to build the new 3rd concourse, it will open up opportunities for expansion, which WN hopefully will take full advantage of. As for a focus city developing here, I'm not sure there's a market to support that, but there's definitely competition to be found here with FL at KPHF and now Indy Air as well.

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9736 times:

WN used to have service to DEN then DIA opened. DEN raised all fees and WN did not like that much. They tried to get DEN to lower the fees for them and when that didn't happen WN went to the media and talked all kind of trash. A few years ago when asked if they would return to DEN the official WN comment was, the price of a cab to downtown is more than our fare DEN does not fit our business model.

This is entirely factually wrong. WN served DEN (Stapleton) long ago, but pulled out in the early '80s, when the new DIA was a mere twinkle in Federico Pena's eye. Stapleton was a crowded, delay-prone airport, but contrary to what you say, it was relatively convenient to downtown Denver (unlike the present DEN). Fees may have been an issue as well, but they were in no way related to the new airport. The key issue was delays, and several difficulties with airport officials. Your post is very misleading.



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9723 times:

The Denver International Airport had nothing to do with Southwest Airlines halting service at Stapleton. These two events were separated by many years.


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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9705 times:

Also, DEN Stapleton had traffic issues and WN just could not turn their a/c around as quickly as in other markets. As for ATL, since we have FL, for now and sometime to come, WN just won't be serving ATL. PERIOD.


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User currently offlineGr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1592 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9671 times:

WN attempted to begin service at Brown Field about ten miles west of Atlanta a number of years ago but the NIMBYs would not have it. If one or more majors shut down, who knows?

User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9602 times:

I still think Southwest will eventually serve ATL - through a purchase of AirTran....

As for a new focus city.. maybe it's time to revisit the idea of DFW.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9562 times:

WN attempted to begin service at Brown Field about ten miles west of Atlanta a number of years ago but the NIMBYs would not have it. If one or more majors shut down, who knows?

January 19, 1991 would have been a good date to jump into ATL...but they passed.  Confused



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User currently offlineAZjetgeek From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9535 times:

Kohflot - Why would they ever consider DFW? Are you aware of the history between DFW and WN? Ever hear of the Wright-Shelby Amendment? Hell will freeze over before WN ever visits a gate at DFW.

As for ATL, what is the possibility of using Savannah as a destination? Savannah is growing, although I'm not sure they can handle a 737. Any thoughts on this one?




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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3512 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9503 times:

i think southwest should really increase their presence in the midwest, perhaps i'll be boo'd and shouted down, but mmmmmmmaybe in the next few years, hopefully they will at least open up a spot in one of these stations:

RST - 1 hour from MSP metro area, rochester is continually growing, adding lots of new roads and businesses, and you have the mayo clinic.

MSN - Less than or equal to 2 hours away from Milwaukee, Appleton/Oshkosh, Rockford, and Dubuque. Large metropolitan population, and a large college town.







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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9458 times:

Savannah is growing, although I'm not sure they can handle a 737

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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9430 times:

The Wright-Shelby Amendment is why I wouldn't be surprised to see WN start DFW service if (and it's a big IF) the "legacy" carriers continue to be in a weakened position. I see SWA staying in DAL.. just maybe growing into other markets from the D/FW area. How long can they wait on the sidelines while AirTran builds a market? Of course, maybe I answered that question in my previous post.. Big grin

As for SAV, I don't think it's going to happen anytime in the next few years. I see CHS as a lot more "likely" - though neither are very likely anytime soon, IMO.


User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9404 times:

First, c'mon, take a look at The SAV airport diagram. They have a 9300 and a 7000 foor runway with overruns. Just about anything that flies can land there.
Then, let's not for get what the philosphy of WN has always been. They traditionally shun airports where too much time is wasted taxiing, circling around in traffic or spending half the night dodging thunderstorms. Atlanta is just such a place. they also do not like to be brought to their knees with high fees and lots of constraints. Medium size, easy in , easy out cities on the edge of huge marketing circles are their specialty which is why they are not in SFO, LGA, BOS and they are in OAK PVD and MHT for examples.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5953 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9395 times:

Medium size, easy in , easy out cities on the edge of huge marketing circles are their specialty which is why they are not in SFO, LGA, BOS and they are in OAK PVD and MHT for examples.


OK....explain PHL!  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineTriley1057 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 1999, 459 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9329 times:

A few years back there were a few rumors that WN would expand service from IAH. Is there any possibility of that being true? I know CO would not be too pleased.

User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 593 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8830 times:

A few years back there were a few rumors that WN would expand service from IAH. Is there any possibility of that being true?

Why do that when they have HOU? As a houstonian, I can tell you that won't happen.



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User currently offlineMontanaFL From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8719 times:

TPA is currently building a new Airside "C" which WN will be moving into. The current airside they use, "A" is shared with CO, NW and HP. Have heard that once WN moves into "C" next year, that they will increase their number of flights into and out of TPA.


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User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8669 times:

I think DL flew or still flys 757's into SAV so WN would have no problem with any version of their 737 there. There is plenty of room for just about anything

User currently offlineF9Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 695 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

WN dropped out of DEN back in the mid 1980s, about the time someone thought we needed a new airport. At any rate, we have F9, and frankly, I like F9's livery a little better than WN's.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy The closest airport that can currently handle the B-737 is COS, some 70 miles south of DEN, but WN is saying they are a decade or more away from serving them. APA is out of the question because the runways can't handle the B-737, and if they even think of using that airport for commercial traffic, the NIMBYs raise Hades to make sure that never happens. Buckley AFB could be used if it is closed as a military base in the next round of BRACs, which should be announced next February, regardless if Bush or Kerry wins the election this November.

As for ATL, there is talk that if Dobbins ARB is closed in the next round of BRACs, they could convert that into a second airport for Atlanta. However, our good friend NIMBY could keep that from happening. WN serves BHM, which is only two to three hours away from ATL, and also CLT is untapped with the discount airlines.

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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8282 times:

MSN - Less than or equal to 2 hours away from Milwaukee, Appleton/Oshkosh, Rockford, and Dubuque. Large metropolitan population, and a large college town.

Wow, somebody beat me to the punch... too bad that NW has a strangle-hold there like they do at MSP and DTW. Anything they want, the airport bows to their every need.... Doubt it will happen, surprised that Allegiant even got in without a fight!


EDIT: MSN is 1 hour from MKE, 1.25 hours from RFD, 1.5 hours from OSH, and about 2 hours from ORD/MDW and DBQ................. in driving times.



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25 Flashmeister : If you want to get technical, Southwest dropped DEN twice... once in the 80s on their own, and then a second time immediately after acquiring Morris.
26 Delta767300ER : Wasnt Stapleton(sp) Int'l Airport DIA? I'm all confused. -Delta767300ER
27 Dbo861 : I don't know if I see MSN getting Southwest anytime soon. Except for Allegiant, which will be coming in a little over a month, I don't believe they ha
28 Tekelberry : Smcmac32msn, Milwaukee is more than an hour away from Madison. An hour and a half minimum.
29 Indio66 : I still think that they should go after the few remaning high cost legacy hubs, like CVG (I believe the most expensive airport in the country right no
30 Deltabobo : Remember, MGE is the site of Lockheed aircraft factory!!!!!
31 AZjetgeek : Thanks to those who updated me on the features of SAV. It has to be closer to ATL than BHM. CLT may also present a possible focus city for WN. US is e
32 IGUY : Perhaps KISP. WN just opened a new terminal. Huge population on Long Island, and lots of traffic on the Long Island Expressway make ISP a great altern
33 Kohflot : AZ: Actually, BHM is about 100 miles closer to ATL than SAV. SAV and CLT are pretty much equidistant from ATL...
34 Post contains links Smcmac32msn : I don't believe they have any mainline carriers flying into the little Dane Co. Airport. NW flys in the A319 and DC9... they are mostly mainline with
35 Cubsrule : CLT does not have gate space for WN, especially with the imminent arrival of DH. I imagine that DH will occupy the single presently available gate.
36 Stirling : Flashmeister- Don't forget FAT-Fresno as one of the Morris cities WN dropped. Delta767300ER- DIA is not a code, just an acronym. DEN was the code for
37 Post contains images Planespotting : DSM enplanements are up, but they are strugging to keep mainline coming in, they have only 737's from UA, and DC-9's from NW. It's a lot easier to fil
38 Srbmod : Back to SAV. The airport serves not just the Savannah area, but also it is the closest major airport to Hilton Head Island (Do any airlines even serve
39 ChrisNH : I've always theorized that because WN is building up Islip, that they'd turn ISP into a focus city or a hub of sorts. The handwriting on the wall came
40 Sebwhite : If someone wanted to go from Halifax to Orlando, they'd go on a Canjet nonstop!
41 Jmy007 : I thought one of the biggest reasons WN pulled out of DEN was due to poor turn around times for the planes, b/c of weather etc. It would be nice if SW
42 OPNLguy : >>>And before someone tells me that there is no market up there, then why does Southwest fly to the bustling metropolis of Harlingen, TX? Or Lubbock?
43 SWAFA30 : But it begs the question: what WILL WN do at ISP that sets it apart from any other Northeast station such as MHT, PVD, ALB, BDL etc? WN isn't building
44 FRA2DTW : Grand Rapids would be a good choice for Southwest. It also would capture traffic from Lansing, one hour's drive from the airport.
45 N1120A : On the DFW thing, there are a few things that would keep them out. First off, WN and the City of Fort Worth (where the airport actually is) hate each
46 Stirling : ChrisNH wrote: But then WN cancelled service between PVD-ISP and that probably doesn't bode well for MHT-ISP flights, obviously. But it begs the ques
47 Njdevilsin03 : Instead of starting a whole new Sothwest topic... Can anyone tell me if by starting flights to PBI Southwest hurt themselves in the Fort Lauderdale st
48 ScottysAir : Not really about WN is used into the new concourse B and if even expanding more new service from FLL-LAS & PHX and if competition on HP. they will dec
49 Post contains links and images Iowaman : Medium size, easy in , easy out cities on the edge of huge marketing circles are their specialty which is why they are not in SFO, LGA, BOS and they a
50 Swadispatcher : The flight schedule change coming up on Oct 31st is going to shift a lot of flight activity and airplanes around to markets where we need more seats;
51 Post contains links and images LoneStarMike : I really like the idea of SAV being a focus city. I think it would fit into their current system well. Even though it may not have a huge population b
52 Post contains links and images LoneStarMike : OK shoot me but I can't get this wild idea about SAV and RIC out of my head.There were two recent articles in the Richmond Times-Dispatch about the ci
53 ERJ170 : Hey LoneStarMike, I'm not sure but isn't RIC on jetBlue's expansion list? I don't see much need of courting if you are already on the list. Is RIC on
54 LoneStarMike : RIC has been mentioned as a possible jetBlue destination, but I don't know how far up or down the list it is compared to other cities jetBlue is consi
55 SkyTeam7488 : LoneStarMike 2. With the addition of CLT and HSV into Independence Air's netork, FLYI will be using 84 (?) out of their 87 regional jets. That only le
56 ERJ170 : Agreed, I can't see RDU staying at 14 daily flights.. we will probably fall to 10-11 with an Airbus thrown into the mix.. freeing up some RJ for other
57 Matthewroy : Flash-- I believe that when WN took over Morris, they also dropped ANC and PSP, as well as eliminating nonstops from SLC to some Southern California d
58 MAH4546 : Agreed, I can't see RDU staying at 14 daily flights.. we will probably fall to 10-11 with an Airbus thrown into the mix.. freeing up some RJ for other
59 ERJ170 : MAH4546.. this is in the far future.. not in the near future... trust me, no one is expecting to see a Airbus from IDE in RDU anytime soon..
60 Stirling : matthewroy- Yes. ANC and PSP flights ended with the merger. ANC one daily to SLC, PSP one daily to both LAS and OAK. Other routes that went bye-bye wi
61 IslipWN : I personally think that WN is going to greatly expand @ ISP because they funded the new 55m terminal. I just don't get why they dropped the ISP-PVD ro
62 Matthewroy : Thanks for the Info, Stirling. I used to fly Morris from PHX to BOI via SLC. That routing is still intact, and WN has expanded the routings out of BOI
63 Post contains images Lgbguy : Morris Air flew SEA-ANC also and weekend charters to Mexico..As for the Next new city Rumor mill it will be PIT in Jan or Early Feb 05...You will only
64 Flack4ric : LS Mike - where can we send the check?
65 RDUDDJI : I think WN should look at PIT. If nothing else, there's a good opportunity there with US consolidating. "MAH4546.. this is in the far future.. not in
66 Kohflot : If conditions dictate, I don't think you'll see any IDE dispatcher use RDU as an alternate when they can use BWI, RIC, or MDT. Sure it's great to have
67 Dsuairptman : Have to agree that WN WILL NOT be serving DEN or ATL areas in the near or distant future. The compeition and economics of operating in those two MPAs
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