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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Posted (10 years 2 months 14 hours ago) and read 5031 times:

Several new services for the remainder of this year have been announced today...

Starting November 4,
ATL-FPO goes to two roundtrips per day from ATL.
ATL-MIA goes to 4 roundtrips (usualy fewer in the fall)
BMI-MCO goes from Saturday only to daily.
BWI-RSW from one to two roundtrips.
LGA-PHF going from one to three roundtrips.
MKE-MCO returns to one daily roundtrip.
PIT-MCO going from one to two roundtrips.
ROC-FLL new service 1 roundtrip per day.
ROC-TPA new service. 1 Roundtrip per day.

November 6th,
FNT-FLL saturday only nonstop returns.

November 20th,
ICT-MCO Saturday only 1 roundtrip.
MKE-RSW Saturday only 1 roundtrip.

December 7th,
DFW-FLL one daily roundtrip.
PHL-PBI return of seasonal 1 roundtrip.
PHL-RSW return of seasonal 1 roundtrip.

December 17th,
DAY-TPA new service, one daily roundtrip.
FNT-TPA new service, one daily roundtrip.

January 10th,
DAY-FLL new service, one daily roundtrip.


Thats about all of them for now...lots of point to point, as was expected.

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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

I tell ya, AirTran just has no plans for RDU. Oh well..


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 12 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Wow. That's more new service at one time than they have ever announced. Looks like Florida gets the majority of the new flights. Especially TPA.

User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4689 times:

Those non-stoppers to Florida are great news for ROC! Just a few more dots are now connected in the grand scheme of the airline world. The days of ROC area travelers flying out of Buffalo are pretty much over.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4506 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

Wow....*both* FLL and TPA out of ROC. If FL keeps all current dailies at ROC, that means *nine* dailies by Christmas. They're not up on reservations yet but the press release gives schedules for both. JetBlue won't be happy, because they've said they want to offer ROC-Florida nonstops once the EMB-190's arrive. AirTran's beating them to the punch. These flights are long overdue; Northeastern cities the size of the Upstate markets should easily support more Florida nonstops than just the one daily to MCO (or SFB in SYR's case).

On top of Southwest's BUF-TPA plans, this has been a good week for Upstate. If TMA did as well with their SYR-FLL nonstops last winter as our Syracusians say, that one will probably come back as well.

Jim




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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

I hope this finally leads them to do something with the route map on the website. It's already nearly unusable.. adding more lines is going to make it impossible.

Do any of you Citrus employees have an internal communication tool to suggest something along these lines?

[Edited 2004-08-04 16:49:56]

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Here here.. I think it should be interactive like HP or WN.


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

I can tell you, Ryan and those are very good news for FL and make expansion more new service from FLL-ROC, FNT & DAY. This is the first time for new flight to ROC & DAY. I know NW is already service with Saturday only flight to FNT. This is good example need to make more flight out of FLL. It is make boost up for during with the winter flight.

User currently offlineBlhp68 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

So Dayton and Rochester get N/S to FLL but, apparently MCI can not support that route. It still baffles me that no carrier is willing to pick up MCI to either MIA or FLL. Can anyone explain the logic here?

User currently offlineAirplanePeanut From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

Finally, ROC has more Florida Routes! Bye-Bye BUF


AirplanePeanut



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User currently offlineSkyway1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

The new DAY flights should be supported quite well with people travelling from Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky, Columbus, and Eastern Indiana. Delta is the largest carrier here right now.....many of their pax come up from Cincinnati(cause the fares out of Cincy are excessive). Between FL and DL there are 13 flights a day to ATL. So......I'm sure these new flights will do quite well.

Chris

 Nuts  Nuts

[Edited 2004-08-04 17:33:08]

User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4510 times:

What is FNT? Nothing comes up on the mousy tooltip.

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

I can tell you, Blhp68 and NJ is already files out of FLL-MCI before from 2 years ago and went out of the business with Vanguard on their flight to FLL before. It is make good supports on their service to FLL before.

User currently offlineDAYGS From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Absolutely...the DAY flights should do awesome. Especially with Winter coming and no low-fare competition in CVG. CMH has good fares, but the drive is a bit much from both CVG and DAY.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7781 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

FNT = Flint, Michigan.

Hell if this winter is as bad as the last years... those flights from Upstate NY will be pretty damn full going down to Florida.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineBlhp68 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

ScottysAir,

From what I have heard FLL and DEN were NJ's most profitable routes. My only guess is that the yield is bad from MCI, which is why there is no service. So maybe if the economy wasnt so bad then we might see more N/S from MCI to southern Florida.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4444 times:

I believe this is only the beginning of some pretty big expansion. Most of the deliverys right now are replacing rjs and Ryan 320s. I think there is a net addition to the fleet of 5 or 6 jets by year end. Next year they are taking on at least 6 more 717s and 12 or 13 737s with no replacements. You will be seeing alot of these new service announcements next year.

User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

They have had very early discussions with the town of Islip about perhaps 1-2 ISP-DFW flights. Could a 717 do this , or would they need the 73NG??
I was @ ISP today for the SW reminal opening, and there are several gates open as of today.



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

I think a 717 could do it. They already fly DFW-BWI.

User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

I hope so, I want to get on one, and I usually end up on UAL through DEN or IAD, tha range is the question. I remember B6 told me they chose the E190 over the 717 strictly because of range.


Resting on your laurels is a synonym for flirting with disaster
User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

Just checked the timetables and DFW-LGA is 1378 miles, so yes a 717 could make it, but it would be on outer boundry. Looks like 13 nonstops on AA and 3 on DL. If the slots and gates were available, I would think they would make more money at LGA.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6572 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

This isn't earth-shattering news by any means, but FL started its 5th ATL-MSY nonstop a month early. The inagural flight was yesterday. I'd like to see them add a nonstop to BWI eventually as WN only offers one.

User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

There are supposed to be 2 more 737-700s delivered this month. Any word on the delivery dates?

User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

Quickmover, I think that is why they may try ISP, there is a market here, SW does not do Dallas from here without 115 stops.


Resting on your laurels is a synonym for flirting with disaster
User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

From what I have heard FLL and DEN were NJ's most profitable routes. My only guess is that the yield is bad from MCI, which is why there is no service. So maybe if the economy wasnt so bad then we might see more N/S from MCI to southern Florida.

Two things:

1) The economy is doing just fine, thank you. 3.2% growth is much better than what we were experiencing at the end of the Clinton Administration, and is some of the best growth we've seen since. I think the worst thing our economy suffers from right now is high fuel prices.

2) Yields to Florida are constantly low. Florida is a tourist destination with tourist fares. Yields from MCI were just fine under NJ. Good enough, in fact, to see 3x daily in the August, 2002 schedule (that never happened).

I think FL could make money on MCI-Florida n/s routes, 2x daily to MCO and FLL. They just see better opportunities elsewhere, just like PHL.

They have had very early discussions with the town of Islip about perhaps 1-2 ISP-DFW flights. Could a 717 do this , or would they need the 73NG??


The distance between Dallas, TX and Islip, NY is 1,409 miles (2,268 km).

I don't think FL has any HGW 717s. Since this is on the extreme limit of the 717's range, I think this would have to be 73Gs...

[Edited 2004-08-04 19:37:52]


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25 Rumorboy : All of Airtrans 717's are the HGW(121,000 pounds)BUT they do not have the larger fuel tanks that the HGW come with. Airtrans 717s fuel capacity is 24,
26 TOLtommy : Nothing new at CAK? Too bad... I was hoping for a 3rd CAK-BOS flight.
27 Flyinryan99 : I thought the same thing Tommy. I was expecting an outside chance at maybe CAK - DFW twice daily or something. I would think something to the west for
28 Quickmover : Florida starts to pick up around when these flights start. They are probably trying to take advantage of that. I bet that before year end, when the sp
29 Fightingdingo : Maybe Air Tran could come to SLE or HIO.
30 Groundstop : "There are supposed to be 2 more 737-700s delivered this month. Any word on the delivery dates?" Indeed. Ship 302 should be coming on or around 8/16.
31 ScottysAir : James, I found it with their flight tracker on FL and it was B717-200 with nonstop flight and why could not make with one-stop with refuel. Here it is
32 Kohflot : Is 742 the first new-paint 717? Edit: Answered my own question.....[Edited 2004-08-04 22:06:43]
33 Srbmod : The 717 deliveries are just about always nonstop, as the only people on board are the pilots, and with a full tank and an empty a/c, you have greater
34 Quickmover : Groundstop, I thought I read somewhere that 2 737s were coming in Aug. or was it Oct.? thanks quickmover
35 Post contains images AviatorTJ : I am surprised at no announcement for new MSP service. I know that FL has been looking at adding flights. MKE-RSW gives me hope that eventually there
36 Skibum9 : FBOWeb is showing 742, filed as flight 8742, going from LGB to MCO, which is about 2,200 nm. The above note says that FL's are HGW's but have the tank
37 Njdevilsin03 : Out of all the new flights anyone want to take guesses as to which will be 73G'S and which will be 717's?
38 Wedgetail737 : Flyer732: Are you sure FL is planning the ICT-MCO route in November? The press release in Yahoo Biz didn't include that nonstop. It would be wonderful
39 Lat41 : I sure wish they would challenge DL on the PVD ATL route. DL operates 5 daily flights and in Winter mostly 757-200s, even 767-300s at peak times. They
40 BR715-A1-30 : I see they aren't proposing any service from GPT to Beau Rivage. Doesn't Mirage Resorts think that a GPT-LAS, LAS-GPT would be a good route. It would
41 MAH4546 : This is great news for Ft. Lauderdale. The Dayton and Rochester service represent new non-stop service routes (even though American Eagle will be laun
42 Blhp68 : Thanks for the info Mah, I know you have been calling this route for a while. Hopefully, this one becomes a reality this winter.
43 FL1TPA : It's about time TPA service increased; even if it isn't until Dec. This summer is very lean for TPA. We are at 13 departures daily as of Aug. 01. Just
44 Flyer732 : Wedgetail737, Those flights I posted were out of our company daily FYI. Although when I try to load the flight on that date, it doesnt have the route.
45 KBUF737 : Boy AirTran really does not like expanding its routes in cities where WN has a strong presence. As discussed yesterday on my WN expanding in BUF post,
46 Quickmover : Is FL becoming crampt gate wise in MCO and FLL with these new flights?
47 Post contains images Skyway1 : Oh wow.....MIA-DAY on American Eagle....hadn't heard that one yet. Hopefully Worldwide Flight Service will hire some more people here soon. You should
48 Collegestud : Greatd to see more flight service from ROC to FLL and TPA. Buffalo traveller maybe go over to ROC. No more worried. ROC will pick up more traveller.
49 Upsmd11 : My usual plea to have more SDF service would fit in here with ease. Our service to ATL is DL only and our only LCC is WN. Not too bad here but could a
50 ScottysAir : Collegestud, Yes, they are and they are doing good on their new service from ROC-FLL & TPA. I am really looking forward to see how is load factor doin
51 US653 : Any chances of seeing the 737-700 in PHL? Jeff
52 Quickmover : "Any chances of seeing the 737-700 in PHL?" I think it's just a matter of time. They will cover the long western routes first, after that, they will g
53 Elwood64151 : So either they put ferry tanks in her or FL's 717s are HGW all the way. Does anyone know which is the case? Neither. Without the weight of passengers
54 BUFJets : "The days of ROC area travelers flying out of Buffalo are pretty much over." I still think BUF will get people from Rochester driving in to catch WN's
55 Airbazar : Elwood64151, sorry, I couldn't resist. 1) The economy is doing just fine, thank you. 3.2% growth is much better than what we were experiencing at the
56 Njdevilsin03 : As for the Gate situation in FLL I don't think they are having trouble right now. They use gates E2, E4 and during the day they can basically have E6
57 Quickmover : Last time I was at MCO, DL had an enormous amount of gates that they were not using and I think USAir is the same way. The problem is that neither of
58 Post contains images Vatveng : Nothing new at CAK? Too bad... I flew into Akron/Canton for the first time this June... Seriously cramped conditions in the check-in area. AirTran lin
59 Flynavy : PHF going to 3 nonstops daily. Interesting, as their billboard off of I-64 in Newport News has said that they have already been offering "daily nonSTO
60 727LOVER : AirTran ALREADY has 3 nonstops from PHF to LGA. Checking my timetable confirmed this.
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