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US Diverts Plane To Pick Up Bush Twins, 22 Others  
User currently offlineNicedream From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 13013 times:

http://www.wral.com/news/3612076/detail.html

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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12112 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12813 times:
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US hedging the bet in case George W gets handed the election for the next 4 years.......


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 12804 times:

Do you have an opinion or thought on this? Why just post a link?

Apparently US Airways does this every now and then whenever one of their flights is cancelled at a station and they have no replacement equipment on site or other flights. It doesn't matter who the passengers are.



User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 12648 times:

This is done at DL as well. A couple times a week DL will flagstop a flight to pick up or drop off passengers that have been inconvenienced. For instance if a ATL-TYS flight is cancelled. DL could move the folks to a lightly loaded ATL-PIT flight and flagstop the aircraft in TYS to drop off the inconvenienced TYS passengers.


It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineBroke From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 12453 times:

USAir used to cancel flights or flight legs when the level of bookings did not reach a certain level. They decided to stop that when they stranded Ralph Nader at ISP.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
He was not a happy puppy.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3978 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12259 times:
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this just seems a little out of the way.............and all those people happened to be going to BOS? Like the example above....ATL-TYS they would stop a flight going to PIT which was headed in the same direction. Does anyone know if the flight got any compensation for the original pax?


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12188 times:

It probably was the only flight that late that was going anywhere near ALB destined for DCA. I would imagine as well that a Shuttle flight late Saturday night didn't have that many passengers needing compensation. I wouldn't be surprised if the 22 pax boarded in ALB were more than the pax on the plane to start with.
It kind of shows how devalued the US Shuttle has become. DL would never dream of doing this with their scheduled Shuttle operation even on the weekend. Already being 20 mins late is bad enough for the Shuttle.



It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12122 times:
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Flagstops happen all of the time. I'm sure that the Bush twins had little effect on US Airways decision making process. They calculated the cost of fimming the pax, plus delay compensation, plus the cost of hotel and meal vouchers, and it came out to be less than the flagstop cost.


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12050 times:

CALMSP, the Shuttle was not going to Boston. According to the Washington Post (not that one should ever believe that rag), the Shuttle was flying FROM Boston to DCA. The cancelled flight from Albany was also going to DCA. It's not that far out of the way. The Post also said the twins went out bar hopping in Georgetown after arriving in Washington. Gotta' love healthy, partying American young women!

User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

USAir used to cancel flights or flight legs when the level of bookings did not reach a certain level. They decided to stop that when they stranded Ralph Nader at ISP.

A couple of weeks ago there was a thread titled "Airline Myths". This post belongs there.



"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
User currently offlineAa717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11862 times:

I've done it at TWA and I know AA does it. It would have been a scandal if SAM had dispatched a GV to go pick them up.

Maybe they should have asked Terrrreeeeezzzzzaaaahhhh if she would stop by in her GV and give the girls a lift.  Big grin TC



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User currently offlineBristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11789 times:

I'd imagine most a.netters would love this - an extra take off and landing! And the opportunity to stare at those 2 girls - they're pretty fit! Wouldn't fancy a 'meet the parents' session though.

BF



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11565 times:

This is all BS. The only reason this was done is because of those two drunk
daughters of George Dubya!!


There is no indication they were drunk, indeed if they were, US would likely have denied boarding. Perhaps you should get your facts straight. The fact that they like to drink socially does not make them drunks, but merely normal young Americans.

Given that Pakistan is run by a dictator, and give than Pakistanis have few if any freedoms, should you be politicizing this benign airline scheduling adjustment as some sort of Presidential decree?









Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineMCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11553 times:

I would be frustrated if I was on the plane that was diverted. Did the Bush twins have anything to do with causing the airline to make the choice. Probably. Although whenever there is a famous person who causes a diversion, there will always be cries of preferential treatment (there was controversry when Hillary Clinton caused a flight to be diverted years ago.)

PIA777, your comments are somewhat out of line. Some college girls get drunk and they are labeled as alcoholics? I'm sure we could all come up with tons of not-so-flattering stereotypes about people from Pakistan.


User currently offlineBoeingPride800 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 430 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 11337 times:

I really think US Airways messed up bad. They couldn't have been more unprofessional.

User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11218 times:

Regardless if US does this often or not, you can bet for sure that since the brat twins were there, that was the reason!


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11129 times:

Even if the diversion was the best solution for US, it looks bad from an optics standpoint for Bush. His daughters handlers should have insisted they wait for the next scheduled flight.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinePennPal From United States of America, joined May 2004, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11118 times:

I've had this happen to me in the past. I was flying from CMH to ATL on Eastern back in 1988...the plane was grounded for some technical reason, so the airline diverted a flight from BUF-ATL to pick us up. And I can assure you, there were no members of the Bush family there to blame the incident on. As Aa717driver stated...would it have been better if they had sent a government plane to pick them up?!?!?

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10930 times:

OK, first off, we're not talking "diversions" here, but un-scheduled stops, or what we call "flagstops". The terms "divert/diversion" are used when an aircraft can't get into a scheduled destination (WX, MX) and has to go to an alternate airport. Yes, I know that might appear to be quibbling about semantics, but if you want to know how it "really" works from an operational standpoint, that's it, and that's the terminology. (Never expect to hear proper terminology from PR-folks).

Flagstops are not something that gets done every day, nor are they an airline's first choice in solving a problem caused when another aircraft breaks down somewhere, since some pax are being inconvenienced. As is usually the case, there are a number of variables involved. One variable that -doesn't- enter into our decisionmaking processes is whether there are any VIPs within the group of "stranded" pax--a stranded pax is a stranded pax, period. Those chiming in on this thread claiming that UAIR's flagstop was purely because the Prez's 2 daughters were amongst the stranded pax conveniently ignore the fact that 20 other folks who weren't the Prez's daughters were also stranded. Neither were UAIR's actions "unprofessional". All airlines do flagstops on occasion, and it's a tactical response/reaction to an operational problem, and not an attitude.

A funny thing about flagstops is that their value seems to be heavily influenced by which side of the equation one is on. If you're a pax that's being delayed because of a flagstop, you might not be thrilled about the delay. If you're one of the stranded pax that's being "rescued" by the flagstopped aircraft, you tend to view things like you've just gotten a seat on the last flight out of Saigon....  Big grin

[Edited 2004-08-04 19:02:15]

User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10879 times:

this happens on a rutine basis (not too often, but it is normal). I think the fact the the Bush twins were on the plane was a pluc, although, not the cause of the flag stop. It helped get the USAirways name in the press!

User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10644 times:

I wonder how many of the 22 were actually part of the twin's entourage...
Heck, I would have been more than willing to make the flagstop for the dynamic duo ;-]


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10559 times:

"Given that Pakistan is run by a dictator, and give than Pakistanis have few if any freedoms, should you be politicizing this benign airline scheduling adjustment as some sort of Presidential decree?"

Yyz717,

Since you have never been to Pakistan, let me tell you how it is there. When I visit, there is nothing I cannot do. I have all the freedom in the world.
You are confusing Pakistan to all other Muslim countries, then again I can't blame you. Its not your fault that you only see what the media wants you to see. Go to Islamabad and Karachi and see all the progress that is being made before you comment on my country. Also I fully support President Musharraf. He rid our country of that criminal Bhutto.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10545 times:

do the passengers on the diverted flight have any rights? I'd be pissed if I missed a meeting--especially for some sorry Bushes


Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10535 times:

OPNLguy,

What's the relationship between CSC (Customer Service) and Dx when planning a flagstop or alternative flight arrangements for inconvenienced customers? Does CSC say, hey we have x number of people stuck at y airport and leave it up to you to solve or do they come up with a solution and present it to Dx for evaluation/execution?

Just curious how you guys work it. Our Dx seems to pay next to no attention to the customer service side of irregular ops and prefers to stick to what they know -- running flt ops.

joe


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10505 times:

I am sure they would have done the same for Sorry Kerrys. Right Drerx7?


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25 SoAmSky : "You are confusing Pakistan to all other Muslim countries, then again I can't blame you. Its not your fault that you only see what the media wants you
26 PIA777 : "Yeah right!" SoAmSky, I don't mean to go off the subject but please explain. PIA777
27 Post contains images Drerx7 : Touche' Warren747sp I'm sure they would have done the same for the Sorry Kerrys---I just don't like Bush Mental jousting aside--do they compensate the
28 Elwood64151 : While Flagstops are a known occurence, I'm sure that the fact that the Bush twins were stranded in Albany had some effect on the decision to divert th
29 Bjg231 : "I can't blame you. Its not your fault that you only see what the media wants you to see." PIA777, Really? That's pretty hypocritical coming from a gu
30 PIA777 : Bjg231, I don't know what you think I am but I am an American Citizen and I live and pay taxes in America. I do have the right to comment on Politics
31 Miamiair : PIA777: Are you trying to be charming or are you just constipated?
32 Alphascan : Elwood: Well, maybe not the Byrds.
33 Airportugal310 : "Is it considered an injustice that the president's family is evacuated before the public in an emergency?" Yes.
34 Ken4556 : I bet Haiburton has something to do with this.
35 Bjg231 : PIA777, Fantastic, I'm glad to call you one of my countrymen. The point I made about arguing over domestic politics is invalid in your case. However,
36 Warren747sp : Look at all the terrorist that they have netted recently in Pakistan. dictator or not they are fight the war on terrorism with the U.S.!
37 PIA777 : Bjg231, Proud to be an American too!!! Miamiair , A little of both!! PIA777
38 COfaninBOS : Funny thing is, if Chelsea Clinton had been caught underage drinking or had been the one to cause the stopover, there would have been heck to pay. The
39 OPNLguy : >>>What's the relationship between CSC (Customer Service) and Dx when planning a flagstop or alternative flight arrangements for inconvenienced custom
40 Aviationwiz : And the opportunity to stare at those 2 girls - they're pretty fit! No thanks, the passengers around me wouldn't feel so well after seeing my throw up
41 Yyz717 : Since you have never been to Pakistan, let me tell you how it is there. When I visit, there is nothing I cannot do. I have all the freedom in the worl
42 Bjg231 : Possessing a fake id is a fine-able offense as is drinking underage. The only case where it is more than a fine-able offense (in most states) is when
43 PIA777 : Yyz717, There are plenty of westerners living in both Karachi and Islamabad. I should know since my dad worked for the American Embassy. They love it
44 Ultrapig : I'm a Democrat. This reminds me of the stink over the Clinton airport haircut. Honesty is the best policy- The Bush twins have secret service protecti
45 Yyz717 : Honesty is the best policy- The Bush twins have secret service protection-yes they deserve it and they do require special exceptions. The passengers s
46 Skyway1 : Hey Joe..... Have you had some of the same problems up there in TOL??? I don't want to get into a bitchfest about dispatch in this thread.....but I ha
47 PIA777 : yyz717, I don't think you have any proof to be calling my statement about westerners in Pakistan, "nonsense". PIA777
48 Cancidas : i've heard of us doing that before. good show in pax care, only made the news 'cuz the bush alkies were on the flight though....
49 ASTROJET707 : If I were either of the twins, having fuckin' HOWDY DOODY for a father would make me fall of a bar stool too...repeatedly!
50 Skibum9 : This happened to me back in 1991. I was on an AA 727 going from ORD to CVG. The gate next to us was another AA 727 going ORD to DAY. The flight to DAY
51 PennPal : Wow...this thread has digressed from an airline topic to an outlet for left-wing liberal sub-intelligence. For a minute there I thought I had logged o
52 Planespotting : i trust the pakastani guy about pakistan then i do an american guy about pakistan. I also think that it probably could be a bit more of a coincidence
53 EMBQA : ...........And...? I've been on 2 flights where the airline did just that. Its nothing really that special or out of the ordinary.
54 N102daman : Well I know of several flights that make flagstops in order to help distressed passengers and to get them to their destination. Did the Bush Twins inf
55 Skibum9 : The political mud slinging from this is stupid. Airlines do this ALL the time. I might as well start a new topic saying that a perfectly good 757 was
56 Post contains images AvObserver : "A representative for US Airways said the decision to divert the plane had nothing to do with the Bush twins." SURE, it didn't! "And the opportunity t
57 Jcs17 : Honestly, while somewhat cute, I don't find either of them to be raving beauties; give me Alexandra Kerry any day, even with her somewhat weird "hamst
58 Post contains images Thunder9 : US might have taken the Bush girls status into consideration, but not so much for their name, but more for the fare that they paid, as I'm sure they t
59 Post contains images AvObserver : Yes, I happen to prefer the lithe Alexandra to the somewhat cherubic 'Bushettes'. And frankly, Chelsea Clinton, who used to be homely as sin in her te
60 UA744KSFO : "The presidency gets special treatment, there is no disputing that." That's part of the problem as I see it. When we have presidents who live like kin
61 Gigneil : They're drunks. Well documented raging partygoing crazies, just like most twins their age, especially when one goes to the University of Texas. Who ca
62 Cessna172RG : "Gotta' love healthy, partying American young women!" Which is exactly why my wife is Japanese...
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