Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12184 times:
Do you have an opinion or thought on this? Why just post a link?
Apparently US Airways does this every now and then whenever one of their flights is cancelled at a station and they have no replacement equipment on site or other flights. It doesn't matter who the passengers are.
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 18 Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12028 times:
This is done at DL as well. A couple times a week DL will flagstop a flight to pick up or drop off passengers that have been inconvenienced. For instance if a ATL-TYS flight is cancelled. DL could move the folks to a lightly loaded ATL-PIT flight and flagstop the aircraft in TYS to drop off the inconvenienced TYS passengers.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3738 posts, RR: 8 Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11639 times:
this just seems a little out of the way.............and all those people happened to be going to BOS? Like the example above....ATL-TYS they would stop a flight going to PIT which was headed in the same direction. Does anyone know if the flight got any compensation for the original pax?
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 18 Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11568 times:
It probably was the only flight that late that was going anywhere near ALB destined for DCA. I would imagine as well that a Shuttle flight late Saturday night didn't have that many passengers needing compensation. I wouldn't be surprised if the 22 pax boarded in ALB were more than the pax on the plane to start with.
It kind of shows how devalued the US Shuttle has become. DL would never dream of doing this with their scheduled Shuttle operation even on the weekend. Already being 20 mins late is bad enough for the Shuttle.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
AirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3661 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11502 times:
Flagstops happen all of the time. I'm sure that the Bush twins had little effect on US Airways decision making process. They calculated the cost of fimming the pax, plus delay compensation, plus the cost of hotel and meal vouchers, and it came out to be less than the flagstop cost.
Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11430 times:
CALMSP, the Shuttle was not going to Boston. According to the Washington Post (not that one should ever believe that rag), the Shuttle was flying FROM Boston to DCA. The cancelled flight from Albany was also going to DCA. It's not that far out of the way. The Post also said the twins went out bar hopping in Georgetown after arriving in Washington. Gotta' love healthy, partying American young women!
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16111 posts, RR: 57 Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10945 times:
This is all BS. The only reason this was done is because of those two drunk
daughters of George Dubya!!
There is no indication they were drunk, indeed if they were, US would likely have denied boarding. Perhaps you should get your facts straight. The fact that they like to drink socially does not make them drunks, but merely normal young Americans.
Given that Pakistan is run by a dictator, and give than Pakistanis have few if any freedoms, should you be politicizing this benign airline scheduling adjustment as some sort of Presidential decree?
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
MCOtoATL From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 474 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10933 times:
I would be frustrated if I was on the plane that was diverted. Did the Bush twins have anything to do with causing the airline to make the choice. Probably. Although whenever there is a famous person who causes a diversion, there will always be cries of preferential treatment (there was controversry when Hillary Clinton caused a flight to be diverted years ago.)
PIA777, your comments are somewhat out of line. Some college girls get drunk and they are labeled as alcoholics? I'm sure we could all come up with tons of not-so-flattering stereotypes about people from Pakistan.
PennPal From United States of America, joined May 2004, 170 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10498 times:
I've had this happen to me in the past. I was flying from CMH to ATL on Eastern back in 1988...the plane was grounded for some technical reason, so the airline diverted a flight from BUF-ATL to pick us up. And I can assure you, there were no members of the Bush family there to blame the incident on. As Aa717driver stated...would it have been better if they had sent a government plane to pick them up?!?!?
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10310 times:
OK, first off, we're not talking "diversions" here, but un-scheduled stops, or what we call "flagstops". The terms "divert/diversion" are used when an aircraft can't get into a scheduled destination (WX, MX) and has to go to an alternate airport. Yes, I know that might appear to be quibbling about semantics, but if you want to know how it "really" works from an operational standpoint, that's it, and that's the terminology. (Never expect to hear proper terminology from PR-folks).
Flagstops are not something that gets done every day, nor are they an airline's first choice in solving a problem caused when another aircraft breaks down somewhere, since some pax are being inconvenienced. As is usually the case, there are a number of variables involved. One variable that -doesn't- enter into our decisionmaking processes is whether there are any VIPs within the group of "stranded" pax--a stranded pax is a stranded pax, period. Those chiming in on this thread claiming that UAIR's flagstop was purely because the Prez's 2 daughters were amongst the stranded pax conveniently ignore the fact that 20 other folks who weren't the Prez's daughters were also stranded. Neither were UAIR's actions "unprofessional". All airlines do flagstops on occasion, and it's a tactical response/reaction to an operational problem, and not an attitude.
A funny thing about flagstops is that their value seems to be heavily influenced by which side of the equation one is on. If you're a pax that's being delayed because of a flagstop, you might not be thrilled about the delay. If you're one of the stranded pax that's being "rescued" by the flagstopped aircraft, you tend to view things like you've just gotten a seat on the last flight out of Saigon....
Flairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 10259 times:
this happens on a rutine basis (not too often, but it is normal). I think the fact the the Bush twins were on the plane was a pluc, although, not the cause of the flag stop. It helped get the USAirways name in the press!
PIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6 Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9939 times:
"Given that Pakistan is run by a dictator, and give than Pakistanis have few if any freedoms, should you be politicizing this benign airline scheduling adjustment as some sort of Presidential decree?"
Since you have never been to Pakistan, let me tell you how it is there. When I visit, there is nothing I cannot do. I have all the freedom in the world.
You are confusing Pakistan to all other Muslim countries, then again I can't blame you. Its not your fault that you only see what the media wants you to see. Go to Islamabad and Karachi and see all the progress that is being made before you comment on my country. Also I fully support President Musharraf. He rid our country of that criminal Bhutto.
Jjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5 Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 9915 times:
What's the relationship between CSC (Customer Service) and Dx when planning a flagstop or alternative flight arrangements for inconvenienced customers? Does CSC say, hey we have x number of people stuck at y airport and leave it up to you to solve or do they come up with a solution and present it to Dx for evaluation/execution?
Just curious how you guys work it. Our Dx seems to pay next to no attention to the customer service side of irregular ops and prefers to stick to what they know -- running flt ops.