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A310 Range And Flight Path South America-Europe  
User currently offlineMedinaj From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 38 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5501 times:

I'll be meeting my parents in Europe in a couple of weeks. I will be flying from the US and they will fly from Venezuela on an Air Portugal A310.

I didn't think the A310 had such a long range (what is this, a 11-12 hour flight?). Also, I was wondering what the flight path would be for their flight (CCS-LIS). Does it fly straight across over the ocean towards Africa and then up? or up to northern Canada and then east? What about other routes such as CCS-LHR or CCS-CDG?

Any help is appreciated.

PS: I'm flying an AA 777 (which I'm very excited about, since it's the first time I fly a 777 on a transatlantic flight). What would the flight path be on this flight (MIA-LHR)


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User currently offlineMIAskies From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1350 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5450 times:

Don't quote me, but I belive the CCS flight path takes them over the atlantic over the Azores and the Canary Islands into Portugal/Spain. In my opinion it would make no sense to fly all the way up to the U.S., Canada and then turn over Greenland to Europe...it seems to me this would make the flight alot longer. For example, the IB A343/A346 flight from SJU to MAD goes over the Atlantic, Azores, Canary Islands and into Spain. Considering SJU and CCS are not that far from each other, it would seem to me the flight path would be quite similiar.

As far as MIA-LHR, I have flown MIA-CDG on AA B763ER and the flight path goes over Canada into Greenland then over the British coast and into France. It would seem to me that the AA 777 route would be the same as well.

Espero que disfrutes tu vuelo en el 777!! Me dicen que ese avion esta bien chevere!

Saludos...Ciao  Wink/being sarcastic

Nothing better than making love at 35K Feet!
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5422 times:

CCS-LIS is not far at all. The A310-300's range is about 8,000km (5,000nm), and TP employ the aircraft on the LIS-SSA route as well. From CCS to LIS must be 8 hours at most--the 11-12 hours flights are more like EZE-MAD.
I'd imagine the routing between CCS and LIS is fairly direct. Unlike the North Atlantic routes, little time is saved by a parabollic flight-path between a city just north of the Equator and a city at around latitude 40N.

As for the 777, it's beautiful, powerful beast. Try and sit on the wing if you can to feel the power of those enormous engines.


How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineMedinaj From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 23 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Thanks for the replies guys!

What about ETOPS? From looking at my world map (and I know it's not the most accurate way to look at this) it sure seems like there's a lot of water between CCS and the Azores!

MIASkies: I know!! I've flown the AA 777 from MIA to DFW and it is quite cool!! Is the international version configured any differently?? I'm flying back on an AA763 MAD-MIA (flight 69 on 9/15/04) Do you think this will be one of the new 777-style interior 767s?

XV: I have 42J and H. So I guess I'll be towards the back of the plane, but I'll enjoy it anyway!!


User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 20 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

Having done a couple of CCS-Europe flights. You are all right, the flights are very direct, the flights kinda go up to the Canary islands and then to whereever in Europe. The get around Norwestern Afrrica

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6928 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 5223 times:

"What about ETOPS?"

Yeah, looking at http://gc.kls2.com they'd need 180-minute ETOPS to fly direct.

User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

The route:

CCS and LIS are 6500 kms away, so the flight should take about 6-7 hours. As you can see in the map, Canary Islands have nothing to with this path. I've flown over there in MAD-SCL route, so I don't think they do it also for CCS. As said, ETOPS shown is 180 minutes


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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

"What about ETOPS?"

There may be a lot of water between Venezuela and the Azores, but at no point along the way is the aircraft even pushing the 180-minute ETOPS limit. A while ago, I suggested that CM could theoretically fly PTY-MAD with the 737-NGs, stopping in the Cabo Verde Islands. The "pond" is not as big as it seems, and bear in mind that north of the Equator, you have numerous archipelagos and plenty of airfields.
I think RO still flies their A313s from Bucharest to JFK, with plenty of reserves.


The 777 you flew between MIA and DFW was most definitely an international one flying a short, high density route. My first flight on a 777 was on a BA 777-200ER between CDG and LHR, 7 years ago. The plane was fully kitted-out to fly long-haul. No single 777 is permanently assigned to such short routes.


How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineMedinaj From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

Thanks everybody for their replies!

Hmm, that's interesting. I had no idea that on such a route, a twin engine aircraft would not even push the 180-min ETOPS.

As you can probably tell, I'm no aviation expert, so it's surprising for me to think that CCS-LIS can be a 6-7 hrs flight, when MIA-SEA (a flight I do quite frequently on business) is 6 1/2.

I'll tell you later about AA European service!

Thanks again

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