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User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1880 times:

Hi all,

This is my first post on AL.net and just want to say I have enjoyed reading all of your posts and just had to join so thank you. I really wanted to ask all of you about RDU and what everyone thinks of AE expanding there? I have heard we might be opening a crew base there and thus the possibility of more flights and destinations. I was wondering what the possibility of cities like BUF ROC SYR ALB getting RDU. ROC-RDU was huge to AA in the 80's and early 90's and I don't see why it could not work again. I know that equipment is still being delv. and the CR7's are taking the F-100 routes, but we use to have ROC-JFK,BOS,LGA before 9/11 and they were doing good. Now that we only have ORD, these delays are killing us and I think losing pax for us. We need another city and fast and was just wondering if anyone knows what might be happening with RDU?

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User currently offlineRdu777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

AERoc, welcome to the gang. Glad your able to join in.

Here at RDU we've got an erj135 base, but I'm still not sure what's the deal with the crew base. If BUF ROC SYR or ALB were to get service to RDU (hypothetically), it would be on the erj135. RDU doesn't see any CRJ700s from MQ. But, keep an ear out, because American Eagle is suppose to announce at least one new destination from RDU before the year is out. I'm sure ERJ170 will fill you in on the rest.

Justin

[Edited 2004-08-05 03:55:09]


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1762 times:

I have no other news to add.. other than there are also E140 and E145 at RDU also. AE does have room to add more flights. AA mainline does also. New destinations are unknown to me.. a good person to ask would be MAH4546. He seems to be Mr. American, so that would be my first point of attack. The St. Louis flights are going to AE in Septmber, and the additional PVD flight gets added in September. Austin is added in October.. so I would guess that any new announcement for AE at RDU would come after October.. AA seems to announce new destinations to RDU after all the previous destinations have already commenced. Just something I have noticed. Good Luck and welcome to the RDU A.Net family!

BTW.. is Ram Air expanding? I see another buiding being built beside their old one. Delta SONG was in RDU again tonight from PBI. Must have been another diversion. Any word on when the final design of Terminal C will be finished?

That's all I got for now..

KC



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1738 times:

Ok but what is going to happen with ORD now that flight schedules are to be reduced? Where are the planes going to go? Hopefully to RDU or BOS JFK for expanding. I just don't understand why we pulled out of JFK the loads there were great to Europe and the Middle East. And RDU would be great for The southern connections. Just don't understand......

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1729 times:

Hmmm.. AA is not very strong on the N-S on the east coast.. that is and probably will always be a Delta/USAirways specialty..

Flights pulled out of ORD will more than likely go to DFW as that is their 2nd most favored hub. Some flights may go to MIA. RDU is mostly a O&D focus city. RDU is capable of pulling a lot of traffic out of the area and AA has noticed it. There is some connecting of flights, but not a lot. Even the infamous RDU-LGW flight doesn't getting connections. New destinations from RDU will be some that can be supported by local feed mainly. I think AA is trying to keep it's hubs as "hubs" and not use it focus cities as hubs. Since RDU, BOS, JFK, SAN are all focus cities.. I don't think you will see any flights from ORD moved to any of those places.

Hmm.. hoped I haven't confused you more. I will try to giveyou all the info I can remember, but MAH4546 is really a good reference to turn to...



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User currently offlineRdu777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1716 times:

ERJ170,

Do we base some 140s and 145s? I know we've got the 135s because I've seen everyone of them about three times in the last month, but 140s and 145s? We don't see too many in the first place. Maybe just a few? Also have you been able to catch our cargo flights from the port of Spain lately? Monday I caught the 747, so in about a week check to see if they made it, if not check myaviation.com. I got some cool ones. If you want to see more 747 at RDU just give me an email.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1711 times:

The RDU-STL flights will be 140s, some of the BOS and JFK flights are 140/145, some of the CHM, DCA, AUS flights are 140/145. There are a lot of E135 flights out of RDU, but there are also quite a few 140/145 flights also. The STL flights will be based out of RDU I think...

I haven't been around to see any of the flights into RDU (Florida West, Arrow, Capital Cargo, etc) but I see them of flytecomm... I just want to know what kinda car place are we dealing with. That is a lot of inventory for just a car parts place.. is there supposed to be some sort of auto assembly plant opening in the area?



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User currently offlineRdu777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

The only thing that I can see is maybe cars being flown in for the Leight Toyota opening up in north Raleigh. It's a big area, so I assume there will be a lot of cars. That's my guess.


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

Hmm... interesting.. but when I drove past leith about 2 weeks ago.. it was kinda packed..

Oh well... I guess there is no new news on the RDU front... oh well, comme ci comme ca!



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User currently offlineAirplanePeanut From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 452 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Kinda off topic, But AEroc-

What do you do for AE at ROC?


AirplanePeanut


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User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

I work the ticket counter, gate, baggage service, and ramp. At ROC we do it all. In my spare time I try to fly alittle.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

So, AEroc.. being on the front line.. you should know some of what they plan to do with RDU.. what have you heard?


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User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 485 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1502 times:
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Let a guy take a little time off and already he is forgotten. Already forgetting to mention my name to our new RDU friend. I'm so choked up I don't think I can type anymore.  Smile

AEroc-Welcome to the craziness that is RDU - There are about ten of us who spout out RDU information, rumors, guesses, hopes and occasionally some actual information.

ERJ170 mentioned MAH4546 and indeed he is quite informative, but to be honest there seems to be an interest in all things American Airlines as opposed to just RDU, however we all have different strengths and weaknesses so take it all with a grain of salt.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

Hey AEroc...

As far as your original question goes...

I would think that BUF and/or ALB would be good destinations. For whom, though, I don't know. Perhaps it will be AE. Perhaps Not. ROC is uncertain to me as there isn't quite as strong a O&D to ROC as there is to BUF and ALB. There are quite a few routes from RDU that has been left open. Hopefully the near future will see some of these routes come to reality. However, I think they will come from a mixture of different airlines and not just AE. NW just blew a BIG surprise by announcing RDU-IND. So that makes US, AA, UA, WN, NW with new destinations this year. That leaves FL, AC, CO, DL, HP to add a new destination to somewhere. I could see FL maybe doing TPA.. I couldn't see AC doing anything but I could see WestJet or JetsGo come in and do a Montreal/Toronto.. I couldn't see CO do anything.. I could see DL do a SLC and I could see HP do a LAX! But those are just some of my guesses.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1469 times:

WestJet or JetsGo come in and do a Montreal/Toronto.. I couldn't see CO do anything.. I could see DL do a SLC and I could see HP do a LAX! But those are just some of my guesses.

Not to burst your bubble, but Westjet and jetsGo aren't coming to Raleigh, it is very unrealistic to expect it unless either changes their market stragedy on trans-border routes (which have been high-density, mainly leisure, markets with huge O&D from Canada). And there are plenty of other Eastern markets Delta has to fill in from Salt Lake City before Raleigh ever comes into the picture, like South Florida and Tampa. Just my opinion, though. Like you said though, anything can happen and airlines pop up with surprises all the time (like NW's RDU-IND), so who knows.

Personally, I do think AA could be popular with service from Raleigh to other New York destinations. They did try to do RDU-HPN (White Plains, NY), but it was not popular (operated from November 2001 to April 2002). Rochester stands a better chance than Buffalo. I don't think it would happen, though. I would stand to guess BUF/SYR/ROC/ALB would get DFW or MIA service before RDU. I wouldn't rule it out though, it is a realistic, though unlikely possibility.



a.
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1449 times:

Tis all true. But a man can hope. Would be nice to get a Canadian LCC in the house though... at least 1 daily to Montreal.

ROC does not have the number of pax that BUf does... BUF has 195, ALB has 179, and ROC has 83.. BUF has over double the traffic as ROC. I just don't see why ROC would be choosen over BUF. But crazier things have happened. But I also don't see a RDU-Upstate NY.. course, it seems like at least a third of Upstate NY is moving to NC..  Smile/happy/getting dizzy but we love to have them here!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32609 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

BUF has over double the traffic as ROC. I just don't see why ROC would be choosen over BUF.

Buffalo is not a strong market for AA. The last two times they have announced BUF-DFW (including this past May), it has been canceled before it started. Rochester also has a stronger business market - Xerox and Kodak, for example - which make it a better case for RDU service. O&D isn't everything. Flying 83 business passengers a day at high fares is a lot more lucrative than flying 195 while having to match Southwest's Fun Fares.

(and, as I side note, it's just example, I'm not saying all 83 passengers are business travelers or all 195 passengers are vacationers).



a.
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1431 times:

They did try to do RDU-HPN (White Plains, NY), but it was not popular (operated from November 2001 to April 2002).

MAH4546, do you (or anyone else) have any idea how the short-lived US Express RDU-SWF service went?

Presumably not very well, but that's when US was first receiving regional jets, and they were trying out all sorts of interesting markets with them.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Hey all.....

The word that's floating around ROC is that many markets in the NE are being considered based on business potential and not leisure travel. The BUF-DFW run was going to be 1 daily S80 but as soon as the union saw that it was shut down. The contract states that (at least in BUF/ROC/SYR/ALB) no earlier than 5 years from the point of leaving is AA metal allowed to return to these cities with a scheduled trip. Diversions are another story. After the union found that one out the schedule was pushed to sept 8th or so with 2 CR7 trips to DFW, but cancelled due to the lack of EQ and the reduction of the F100. MAH4546 is right about the business aspect. Business travel will play a huge role in any of our cities picking up new trips, and right now we have a ton of business men and women traveling to DFW a ton. ROC Also has a huge population of Caribbean folk who travel to say KIN but have to travel through ORD and MIA to get to KIN. MIA Would be huge as well. I really don't see this in the near future of maybe at all but it sure if fun to think that maybe in 5-10 years I might have another way to get home non-reving. I hate getting stuck in ORD!!!!!!!!!


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

Off the subject but was reading at Flight Attendants.org from Jul 04... could this rumor be true???

Keep hearing more and more about RDU. Apparently now the dispatchers are saying RDU for a base as well.

Apparently a few years ago Comair had thought about NYC as a base but they knew it would be too expensive for crews to live there. So they said no.

So perhaps we could see RDU sooner than expected.



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User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

ERJ170,

I recently got back from AE dispatch visiting some friends there and had asked this same question about RDU and they have said the same thing about a crew base possibly opening there soon......Never know?


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6756 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1404 times:

True.. did you find out the new destination(s) from RDU?


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User currently offlineAEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1403 times:

No have not heard about any cities as of yet, but the crew at dispatch thinks they may start out with expanding service to cities already being flown too, but then again nothing is being set in stone as of right now.

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