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Passenger Sues BA Over Leg Room  
User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

"A pensioner was due in court today to sue British Airways for failing to provide enough leg room on long-haul flights.

The passenger claims BA breached his human rights and he is seeking £3,000 for the "pain and suffering" he endured in a standard economy seat on a 13-hour trip from London to Singapore. He says he asked for extra space but was allocated the standard 31 inches.

BA said it would be " vigorously defending" the claim as it could not guarantee passengers particular seats.

Just thought this was interesting, and could help out little friends with the AirTran Post earlier today. .  Smile  Smile

[Edited 2004-08-05 03:10:29]

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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13646 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7334 times:
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Hogwash. BA offered him the option of additional legroom in exchange for an increase in his fare, as per their contract of carriage.

This is clearly a smartass with nothing better to do than file claims solely for the hell of it.  Angry



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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7334 times:

Looks like the Americans have passed off our "LAWSUIT" world that we live in now. You can't ask for the seat infront of you to be taken out, or moved forward. If you want bigger legroom, buy World Traveller Plus or BizClass seats.


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

Absolutely Stupid, he wants a ton more leg room, fly World Business Class, First Class, etc. Or buy your own private jet.


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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7282 times:

I agree with the above so far. However, 31" of legroom is pretty crappy, especially for such a long flight.


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User currently offlineAeroFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7272 times:

People are really strange. I wonder if the concept of getting your own jet or taking another company doesn't occur to some...

User currently offlineKateAV8 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 99 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7255 times:

Geez, the courts are already backed up for years with bogus lawsuits filed by big babies like that guy! Which in turn causes the legitimate lawsuits out there to have to wait even longer for their day in court. The guy shoulda called his mommy! (Or chartered a G-V!) Someone needs to call him a waaaambulance!  Laugh out loud

-Kate



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

How many times have we heard Europeans call the USA Sue Happy! Sheesh what a joke this guy is! It coach for god's sake! He wants more room he has some options:

PAY for the upgrade
PAY for a Business/First Class Seat
Hire his own plane!

This is as bad as the McDonald's coffee case!



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User currently offlineEzycrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7169 times:

Great Britain always had a foot somewhere accross the Atlantic...therefore no suprise that this kind of lawsuit appears there first.... just my 2 swiss centimes.


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

I think that we all know the truth behind this law suit, but I am surprised that it went this far.

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7125 times:

Before you Brits get mad at us Americans for exporting our lawsuit culture, know that over here it would have been worse -- he and his lawyers would have sued for tens of millions of dollars for embarrassment, pain & suffering, mental anguish, fraud, chronic back and leg pain, and who knows what else!


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User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Its annoying that these stupid people don't seem to get it.

They can have more room in economy if that is what is wanted. However fares will have to rise in order for this to happen which people won't pay for. I'm willing to bet Mr 6 foot pensioner bought the cheapest fare he could find. Its quite simple - IF YOU WANT MORE ROOM THEN PAY FOR Y+ OR J!

(Sorry about the rant it just really gets on my nerves everytime)


User currently offlineHkg_clk From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7079 times:

This is crazy. I hope the courts throw the case out unless there are other grounds which have not been reported which justify the action.

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User currently offlineDeltaBOS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 7058 times:

Odds are that he'll show up to court in a leg brace while being wheeled in. And of course he'll take it off once he is chauffeured into the car on the way home.

User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

Geez, the courts are already backed up for years with bogus lawsuits filed by big babies like that guy! Which in turn causes the legitimate lawsuits out there to have to wait even longer for their day in court. The guy shoulda called his mommy! (Or chartered a G-V!) Someone needs to call him a waaaambulance!

KateAV8, you earned my respect with that post!!! Thats just classic! "Call Him a waaaambulance!" LOL!

Odds are that he'll show up to court in a leg brace while being wheeled in. And of course he'll take it off once he is chauffeured into the car on the way home.

Naw, he'll take the brace off and use the check he receives as a cane to walk out the door laughin all the way... Everybody knows that the court is going to rule in favor of the whiner. BTW... how much leg room was he expecting?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6955 times:

This is a stupid case, but much different than the McDonald's case. Here, everyone knows that Y seats are cramped and that you have to do exercises and not get pissed on the flight, or upgrade. With the McDonald's case, the lady was not warned that the coffee would cover a large part of her body with third degree burns. No warning label, nothing. BA's website has stuff on DVT and how to prevent it, along with publishing the specs of their seats.


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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

N1120A-

Hmmm.......... "WARNING!: This cup of coffee is going to cause 3rd degree burns all over your body, DON'T SPILL!"

I can see it now. Too bad the woman knew coffee is HOT from McDonalds, because it probably wasn't the first time she's ever gotten coffee from there before.

Does that mean that stoves need to have a warning label too? "WARNING!: When you turn the stove on, it will be HOT, DON'T TOUCH!"

Do you want me to go on?



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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1071 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

. BTW... how much leg room was he expecting?
Well at least 34" inches, as some airlines offer at NO extra cost.!



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User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

He lost the case - the Judge agreed with BA that they had complied fully with the contract of carriage and were under no obligation to provide a seat with extra legroom.

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6925 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

1. Why pay a lawyer when he could have used the legal fees to buy him a J class ticket.
2. BA breached his human rights? LOL LGW-Luftfahrtgesellschaft Walter (Germany)">HE HAD A CHOICE TO FLY! It throws the human rights argument out of the window because once entering the aircraft, as long as it's still at the gate, he had full rights to leave! if money was his reason why he didn't do leave, then it's a commercial/service contract, not a social one!
3. THANK GOD he lost the case!

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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

You can't argue that 31in pitch on a flight you bought, paid for and boarded voluntarily is a breach of human rights.

However, 31in pitch on a longhaul flight is insufficient by anybody's standards.

[Edited 2004-08-05 09:29:20]

User currently offline707cmf From France, joined Mar 2002, 4885 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

Come on.

I have flown BA long haul a few times (once LHR-HKG), on cattle class.
I am 6'1" (1m85), yet when it came to buy my ticket to SEA a few months ago, I preferred to fly BA over cheaper airlines ,because I knew I would be comfortable enough no long haul with them.

Heck, the lady should be sentenced to fly LH long haul on their brand new A346. Less legroom, and no PTVs.
Or maybe, we could treat her with a transatlantic flight on a 757.

Cheers,

707


User currently offlineJMChladek From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

I could think of worse places to be in then 31" seat pitch on a BA plane for a long haul flight. I had no problem flying this way and would do so again if I fly BA again.

User currently offlineGuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

Well, the pensioner could have been smarter.. and travelled on MALAYSIA AIRLINES or THAI AIRWAYS.. which in the case from LHR to SIN, would most likely be cheaper than BA. But most importantly, both airlines offer 34" pitch in economy class vs 31" for BA.

I bet BA won't be letting him on their planes any time soon. He's most likely to be blacklisted. And when an EU airline is blacklisting a passenger, you can be sure that his name will be flashed throughout all EU arilines as well!


User currently offlineGBOAC From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 221 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

Chrisrad - Well at least 34" inches, as some airlines offer at NO extra cost.!

Who on that route (LON-SIN) offers 34" in economy? I think SQ offer 32", but that's all I can think of.

Britannia are 28" I believe, and they do long hauls too...this guy should think himself lucky! Or, more appropriately, find something better to do with his twilight years than bitch about stupid things in a court of law.

Phil


25 JGPH1A : Re: I bet BA won't be letting him on their planes any time soon. He's most likely to be blacklisted. And when an EU airline is blacklisting a passenge
26 Post contains images GBOAC : GuyBetsy1 - ah, thanks for answering my question Are they direct flights? Anyway, update: case dismissed, and best of all the judge denied the idiot l
27 Qantas744 : "The passenger claims BA breached his human rights and he is seeking £3,000 for the "pain and suffering" he endured" Human rights my ass.....on the p
28 FlyMeToTheMoon : I wonder if after he flies Ryan he will sue them for not providing a reclining seat or a pocket in the seat back in front of him. Or Southwest for not
29 Post contains images Fallout01 : New information to be included in the next printing of airline passenger safety cards: "If you are a passenger seated in an economy class seat, please
30 FlyLondon : Hmmmm maybe I should sue London Underground because the tube was crowded on the way to work and it breached my human rights. Or maybe Westminster City
31 Newyork355 : This lawsuit is crazy! If this guy wins, you know there will be a lot more of these "I didn't have enough legroom" lawsuits. If you're unhappy with co
32 Chrisrad : Who on that route (LON-SIN) offers 34" in economy? I think SQ offer 32", but that's all I can think of. He could have flown Malaysia Airlines to KUL,
33 Kl911 : "A pensioner was due in court today'' I know it sounds bad, but sometimes I wish we could lock certain people up above a certain age and prevent them
34 Post contains images Fliboyz : Maybe he should have sat in the lavatory. Lots of legroom there. And noone around to bother him. Except for maybe the smell. R I D I C U L O U S. Pay
35 Post contains images NWADC9 : Hey, it's great income! Fly a plane, find something to complain about, sue, then collect the money! Seriously, you have a problem with legroom in coac
36 Baw716 : I have a couple of thoughts to add, I promise to make this brief: a) In the US, this would have likely been heard in small claims court, not a superio
37 Post contains images Nudelhirsch : Breaking human rights and then sue only for 3,000? I thought human rights were worth more... In future on boarding, we will have to sign a special agr
38 Deltabos : Let it be a lesson to everybody: if you don't get an education and don't have a good income each year, then some people tend to resort to stunts like
39 Mcmahonsmr : I am in agreement that this case is a waste of time. The problem here is precedent. If BA this guy 3,000GBP then that opens up the floodgates for furt
40 LTBEWR : While the approach of this claimant by going to court on grounds of 'human rights' was wrong, there is a serious issue here for very long haul flight
41 FlyingColours : The guy is suing because of 31 inches?, Jesus you can tell this guy never flew charter before. BY have 28" (I think) and they are flying to Australia,
42 BlaxtonCanuck : I can't wait for the first tv advertisement from a lawyers office talking about this kind of stupidity.. He's breached my human rights cuz I get angry
43 Mandala499 : So raise the fares to provide for more legroom and then see the lawsuits start rolling for "big business extorting the consumer"... Mandala499
44 Chinaeastern : all that i would advise that passenger is to fly air new zealand from LHR-SIN via LAX and AKL
45 Post contains images LHR27C : Madness. What a waste of money! 31" seat pitch on a 13 hour flight for a pensioner may be quite uncomfortable, but definitely not a breach of human ri
46 Gilesdavies : To be fair to UK charter airlines on there long haul flights they do offer increased legroom, compared to there short haul aircraft. Britannia's 767-3
47 UA744KSFO : Or he could just do what I do on the extra long hauls and take 2 Ambien (which will knock you out for 11 hours). I also take aspirins to prevent DVT.
48 Qantas744 : "In the post-9/11 world for security reasons, you cannot walk around an a/c like in the past to prevent blood clot disorders." I have flown this route
49 Post contains links Flyingbronco05 : This same kind of thing happened to AA: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1564211/ I hope the people don't get a thing.
50 AeroFan : kI911"I know it sounds bad, but sometimes I wish we could lock certain people up above a certain age and prevent them from flying, and more important
51 Baw716 : I still think my earlier statement is best: Whenever he travels on any airline, put a notation in his file: Put him in the middle, between two big guy
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