CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3662 posts, RR: 8 Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2351 times:
i wonder if we will see any more flights added in the Hawaiian markets.....with teh new winglets maybe a second HNL-GUM flight more than once a week, or even some added west coast flights to theislands with our new 738's.......any thoughts.............
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2322 times:
Very unusual move for CO, they have not been active in the Hawaii-Japan market and opening a route from Honolulu to Nagoya is a bold step.....I wonder if the scheduling will alloy for connections to LAX, IAH and EWR?
Didnt America West once fly the HNL-Nagoya route (as a continuation of their PHX/LAS-HNL 747 flights) and wasn't the route later picked up by NW?
By the way, the CO-Micronesia 764 aircraft dont have the 35+200 configuration......the 764s operated on the Hawaiian routes (except the EWR-HNL flight) usually have only 20 seats upfront with a larger coach cabin. Any ideas?
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16264 posts, RR: 52 Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2303 times:
"There isn't even a HNL-NRT"
There used to be, CO flew HNL-NRT untill about 1999 or early 2000.
Back in 1997/'98 when the US reached the open skies agreement with Japan CO was awarded rights for a "SECOND" HNL-NRT flight as well as a HNL-KIX flight, getting landing slots though is another issue with regards to Narita.
Azjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3556 posts, RR: 30 Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2271 times:
The 1415 departure from HNL will allow connections from EWR, IAH and LAX. In addition it will also allow connections from NWAs SEA, PDX, MSP and DTW flights. This flight also connects to the NWA flight to MNL from NGO.
I would have thought NWA would have been the one to restart service, before CO launched this new service. Maybe there will be a redtail between HNL and NGO in the future, even with this flight.
Nwaatngo From Japan, joined May 2004, 48 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2212 times:
I am very happy to see this flight into NGO. I have been living in NGO for years and try to get to Hawaii at least two times a year. Now I either have to go through KIX or NRT if I want to fly with NW, but now I can take this CO flight and still add to the ever important FF miles. The current JAL flight is full most of the time, so there is definately a market here, now I am just waiting for NW to restart their flight.
Wishful thinking? With CO and NW joining Skyteam soon, can I hope to see a Skyteam mini-hub at NGO or the new Chubu airport? NGO used to have Delta, KLM, and Air France service. We still have CO, NW, and KE service, with AF returning after the opening of the new airport. I would love to see this happen as I really dislike NRT and KIX is tough to get to. Just my wishful thinking.
Klwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 3 Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2067 times:
I read this thread started and couldn't believe my eyes. CO starting a nonhub route is a real shocker. Maybe this is just the start of CO adding flights from HNL-westward. I remember the "good old days" when CO used 747s from HNL-HNL.
Ishky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 14 Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2024 times:
As stated many times over, this is a very bold move for Continental. I suspect that this flight will be codeshared with Northwest, as the latter is a much stronger force in the Hawaii-Japan market, although Continental used to be one, too.
Honolulu-Tokyo was dropped by Continental primarily due to a lack of slots. They were only flying the route thrice weekly at the time that they dropped it, and decided that it would be more profitable to focus Narita flights from Newark, Houston, and Guam.
Does anyone think that Newark-Nagoya flights might be on the horizon? The Honolulu flights are clearly being launched in direct coordination with the opening of the new airport in Nagoya, which will supposedly serve a large chunk of Central Japan. Currently, no airline flies between the East Coast and any Japanese city outside of Tokyo. With Nagoya being in the center of one of the world's most populated and industrialized regions, I'm sure a 777 flight from New York could work with time.
Ha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3492 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1961 times:
Interesting to see that CO is timing the flight to arrive and depart HNL roughly the same time as JO. JO84 arrives in HNL at 0755 and departs HNL at 1410, while CO is scheduled to arrive at 0800 and depart at 1415.
Maybe we'll eventually see CO reopen the FA and pilot base in HNL if they keep adding flights.
25 Nwaatngo: Newark-Nagoya? That would be fantastic. As I fly the NW NGO-DTW flight a lot (almost always full), I know there is a good sized market in NGO for flig
26 Acidradio: Pardon my ignorance, but what is a 76H? Is that a 764 in CO Mike configuration with 20 in F as opposed to the normal CO layout?
27 Carpethead: I am kind of surprised that the start date for this route is not Feb. 2005 when the new airport opens. I suppose CO wants revenue earlier, as Japanese
28 A340Spotter: Acidradio, Yes on the 76H, they're the CMI run planes... Jeffrey
29 Ishky15: The article in the Honolulu Advertiser states that the aircraft will feature 35 BF seats and 200 Y. This implies that the route will be flown with a t
30 Alpha 1: The route will be run with a 764. CO says continued demand for HNL, and the fact there is a large demand out of Japan, made the route possible. If the
31 Kalakaua: Goodness, if you follow this link, VIEW ALL ARRIVALS (just click on the "Search" button), you'll see that there IS a demand from Japan. http://www.eha
32 Homer71: Kalakaua, okay, okay, we get it...Japan loves Hawaii, thank you for nailing that point for us!
33 Ha763: The CO press release says the 767 will be configured 35BF and 200Y. http://www.continental.com/vendors/default.asp?SID=021E78FFC6974295BD07BE820444D3A
34 Dutchjet: The EWR-HNL flight usually operates with a 764 in the 35+200 configuration, so it may be possible that the new Nagoya flight will operate in rotation
35 Ishky15: Dutchjet- I, too, agree that it seems unlikely that Continental will remove its 764/777 flight from the Newark to Santo Domingo flight. That route bri