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User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

The current aircraft that serves the president of the USA is a B742. The B742 has been retired by most airlines because of age. If anyone has any information about when if ever the a/c will be replaced and what will become of the current please feel free to say so.

Thanks in advance for any input

--COAMiG29--


If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

The 742s that serve as AF1 are relatively new and are updated versions of the standard-742s. They should be around for quite a bit of time.

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Thanks for the input I did not know their age but with all the updates they get IM sure they will be flying well into the future. The other presidential plane, a 707 is now in a museum in Tuscan I believe.

--COAMiG29--



If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

This is a frequent topic so you'll probably here more of the same.

The two 742s were the last to be built, and actually entered presidential service after the 744 had entered service. The AF1 birds have the new engines and several other features of the 744, and all the avionics are USAF customized. The aircraft go through very little flying compared to a commercial counterpart, and are meticiulously maintained. I'd wager they are the best maintained aircraft in the world.

Pleanty of life left.... I'd say 20 years easily unless unforseen circumstances interveen.


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

The other presidential plane, a 707 is now in a museum in Tuscan I believe.
I believe that there is one at the Museum of Flight in Seattle and one at the WPAFB in Dayton, Ohio - but the one in Dayton might not be a 707.

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Thanks for correcting me, i know they were in Tuscon for a while but did not know if they were there to this date.

--COAMiG29--



If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7540 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

There is also a VC135 at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley,CA . I saw it last month . There are no wings,tail,engines on it . They are building a hanger for it and 'Marine One ' helo.
The VC135 at BFI is the one that carried Johnson to DAL when JFK was shot.



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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

Those planes are in a service that cannot be compared to airline service. The loads are different, less cycles, and so on. Also, it is easier to keep one special plane maintained perfectly, but it is more difficult to operate a larger fleet of airplanes that has to be maintained thoroughly.
Also, phasing airliners out is mostly a question of economics, not of mx, so maintaining a fleet of 742 and operating them profitably is one thing, maintaining and operating one single plane for special purpose where especially the revenue is no matter is quite different.
Also, imagine the costs of a brand new AF1 (I think they have 2 actually) with all the toys onboard that and compare those costs to maintaining an existing model.



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Also, imagine the costs of a brand new AF1 (I think they have 2 actually) with all the toys onboard that and compare those costs to maintaining an existing model.
Correct, there are two. One of them is slightly more advanced than the other.

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

I did not say that i wanted the planes replaced i was just wondering how long they have been in service and how much more time they have. I like the 747 in any model reguardless of airline and would not want one to be "retired" for no reason.

--COAMiG29--



If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

The current pair of VC-25s (the USAF designation for the Executive Transport 742s) have been in service since the early '90s. The first president to utilize them was George H.W. Bush.


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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

The VC-25's are well maintained, and like many posters have noted have 747-400 engines and wings and highly advanced avionics.

The real question is that when the A380 comes on line, is there going to be a European P.M. or President who uses that plane, a plane bigger than the 747.

I am a frank U.S. patriot, and I would hate to have the U.S. President go to a summit and not arrive in the biggest thing flying. Jingoistic, I know, but who cares!!



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User currently offlineVSIVARIES From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 108 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3022 times:

The US president is never going to fly aroung in something that the French made no matter how big it is.
He would rather convert a B-52!



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User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

maybe we should get the president an Antonov an225, the largest thing ever to take to the sky

you have to admit though not american made (soviet build ukraine maintained) it would be cool if the president had an an225


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If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

One of the seven oh's is at the museum at Boeing field in Seattle. One is at Wright-Pat, one in Washington DC and I don't know where the fourth one is.
It may be at Pima(TUS) now. It was not at Pima three years ago.
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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17172 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

The 4 E-4Bs (NEACP) are also 742s under all the warts.


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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

maybe we should get the president an Antonov an225, the largest thing ever to take to the sky

you have to admit though not american made (soviet build ukraine maintained) it would be cool if the president had an an225

The AN-225s are long out of production, and there was only one made. For those interested, it was designed to shuttle the Soviet spaceship, but with the collapse of the USSR, the space program was scraped and the AN-225 sat around for a few years.

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-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineBekol From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2001, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Why didn't they use the 744 for AF1 but 742 instead? Is the cockpit of AF1 similar to 742 or 744??

Bekol


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Why didn't they use the 744 for AF1 but 742 instead?

President Ronald Regan iniated a program in the early 80s to replace the VIP KC-135 that had served as AF1 since the Kennedy administartion. The aircraft considered were the DC-10 and 747-200. At this time, the 744 was still in the very very early stages of development, while the 742 was proven technology. Think how the USAF is ordering 767 tankers rather than ordering 7E7 tankers.

Is the cockpit of AF1 similar to 742 or 744??

The 747-200s used for the AF1 were essentially gutted and rebuilt, they bear little resemblence to their commercial counterparts. All-new wiring shielded to resist jamming and EMP blast, newer CF6 engines, in-flight refueling capability, lower-level entrance door and air-stairs, countermeasures, ect.

I believe the cockpit is based off the 742 cockpit, but with slight modifications. I don't think it has the glass cockpit in the 744.


User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2815 times:

maybe we should get the president an Antonov an225, the largest thing ever to take to the sky

you have to admit though not american made (soviet build ukraine maintained) it would be cool if the president had an an225
The AN-225s are long out of production, and there was only one made. For those interested, it was designed to shuttle the Soviet spaceship, but with the collapse of the USSR, the space program was scraped and the AN-225 sat around for a few years.

At the time I posted this it was intended as a joke to texdravid who said "I am a frank U.S. patriot, and I would hate to have the U.S. President go to a summit and not arrive in the biggest thing flying. Jingoistic, I know, but who cares!!

also though this is off topic the an225 is now back in service as a cargo transporter and is rented out when not needed for cargo service at that time. The Antonov company has plans to build 3 more an225s for rent in the near future.



If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

All my questions have been answered and i have no more to say. thanks for the input and if you want to say more on the topic feel free.

--COAMiG29--



If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2617 times:

Not wishing to breach security or anything, but how many hours a year do the VC-25's fly every year ? While I'm pretty sure they're not as busy as airline aircraft, I'm wondering if they get to fly quite a bit or whether they just sit at Andrews a lot of the time, being polished ?

User currently offlineTransGlobal2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

Gang,

The 707s used by Special Air Missions are VC-137s, not KC-135s (or 135 anything). SAM 970, 971, and 972 were all VC-137As (later converted to B's...Boeing customer number 153). The 707-353s we all know and love, at least to first two in the inventory are SAM 26000 (del Oct 1962) and 27000 (del '72...this airplane is headed to the RR library). Until the delivery of 27000, 970 served as the back-up on Presidential trips, and when the VC-137A's were delivered in spring of 1959, they tended to rotate the aircraft for Presidential use.

Hope this helps a little.



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