Can someone explain this picture? What routes are these nice planes used for and why? Is there any pictures of the outside of these AA 56-seat F-100s? I hate going on AA's F-100s but this one would be nice!
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5230 times:
this a/c was configured in response to legend airlines that served dallas love field. in competition, aa configured a small number of fokker 100 like this to compete, and flew them to lga, ord, and lax. it meets the capacity restraints on a/c flying out of dallas love field, and to fly past the bordering states or al/ms, a/c must be configured with 56 seats or less. legend configured their dc-9 a/c with 56 business class seats, and flew them to las, lax, iad, and lga. once legend shut down, aa quickly withdrew their dallas love field service as well.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5201 times:
The 56 passenger F100s were AA's experiment with a one class premium product that was aimed directly at up-start Legend Airlines. As pointed out above, operating restrictions at Dallas Love limit aircraft to 56 seats if the flight is destined to a city outside of Texas or states bordering Texas (a regulation put into place long ago to ensure that all of the then major airlines would relocated to DFW airport)......Legend, a new carrier, started up at Dallas Love with 56 pax DC9s and AA was not at all amused by having a new competitor in their home town, especially one that was going to operate from convenient Love Field and was targeted at premium passengers (Southwest is one thing, but Legend was taking a hit at AA where it hurt the most, the full fare pax), thus, AA responded by also re-starting operations out of Love Field with F100s with a luxurious 56 pax configuration - the flights flew to key business cities (generally the same destinations that Legend was flying to). Legend shut down, AA dropped this service, went back to DFW and put the F100s back into standard seating. End of story.
AA had a special name for the 56 pax F100s, sorry I cannot remember it.
FoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3068 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4902 times:
I non-revved on a few of these from DAL to LGA and LAX in 2001. Quite a nice ride! Extremely comfortable seats and great food...first class all the way. I still have a menu from one of the flights, which featured a choice of filet mignon or lobster ravioli! They were never very full, though...I was therefore not terribly surprised when they dropped the flights once that pesky little Legend had been "taken care of."
Dutchjet, the only special name I recall was "F56", which showed up on the safety cards, information screens at the gate area, etc. (though not in SABRE, as I recall). Their name for the cabin service was "Executive Class."
Allessandro From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 60 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4806 times:
According to my information (former colleague of mine amended the operating manuals for these aircraft) AA designated this project as "F100 Love Birds" and was solely started to get ride of competition on specific routes. After the competition was gone, the F100 were re-styled back into the origional configuration.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 34365 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4306 times:
American actually continued to provide the service from Dallas Love Field even after Legend left. They announced the suspension of DAL-LAX in September 2001, but planned to keep DAL-LGA and DAL-ORD. However, as a result of 9.11, all DAL route were canceled.
AA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4222 times:
I flew on all three routes (LAX, ORD, LGA) on these F56 flights, and they were wonderful. The level of service, in terms of food and wine, was on par with international Flagship service. It remains, however, a portrait of what was, and in some cases, still is wrong with the airlines. It was a money loser from day one.
I flew the routes at least 5 times each for work, and not once was the plane over half full. In some respects, AA had the opportunity to build a very, at that time, unique product serving high yield business routes, much like UAL is doing with their p.s. concept. In my estimation, AA lost sight of the idea, and was driven by the blood lust to kill Legend - once that was accomplished, their service out of DAL was inconsistent, lackluster, and shrinking. This is something that AA will not repeat in the current market environment, and serves as a good example of an excellent business idea, that had no long term business plan - and as a result, ended up costing the airline more than it produced during its run.
AAnalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4155 times:
The loads were generally dismal on the routes. After a rather nasty snowstorm in ORD I needed to fly to LAX. Several ORD-LAX nonstops had been cancelled, and the remaining flights were oversold. I ended up flying ORD-DAL-LAX. ORD-DAL had about 8 passengers, and DAL-LAX a whole 13!
As previously stated, the food was great, and in my opinion better than the first class meals we were serving in mainline first class.
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