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56-seat AA Fokker 100?  
User currently offlineTony Lu From China, joined Sep 2000, 534 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4279 times:


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Can someone explain this picture? What routes are these nice planes used for and why? Is there any pictures of the outside of these AA 56-seat F-100s? I hate going on AA's F-100s but this one would be nice!

Thanks!
Tony

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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

this a/c was configured in response to legend airlines that served dallas love field. in competition, aa configured a small number of fokker 100 like this to compete, and flew them to lga, ord, and lax. it meets the capacity restraints on a/c flying out of dallas love field, and to fly past the bordering states or al/ms, a/c must be configured with 56 seats or less. legend configured their dc-9 a/c with 56 business class seats, and flew them to las, lax, iad, and lga. once legend shut down, aa quickly withdrew their dallas love field service as well.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

The 56 passenger F100s were AA's experiment with a one class premium product that was aimed directly at up-start Legend Airlines. As pointed out above, operating restrictions at Dallas Love limit aircraft to 56 seats if the flight is destined to a city outside of Texas or states bordering Texas (a regulation put into place long ago to ensure that all of the then major airlines would relocated to DFW airport)......Legend, a new carrier, started up at Dallas Love with 56 pax DC9s and AA was not at all amused by having a new competitor in their home town, especially one that was going to operate from convenient Love Field and was targeted at premium passengers (Southwest is one thing, but Legend was taking a hit at AA where it hurt the most, the full fare pax), thus, AA responded by also re-starting operations out of Love Field with F100s with a luxurious 56 pax configuration - the flights flew to key business cities (generally the same destinations that Legend was flying to). Legend shut down, AA dropped this service, went back to DFW and put the F100s back into standard seating. End of story.

AA had a special name for the 56 pax F100s, sorry I cannot remember it.


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Too bad it's not Y class...It would give MRTC a whole new meaning.  Big grin


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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

The 56-seat Fokkers were flown out of DAL to ORD and LAX. I'm not sure what other routes they were flown out of DAL.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4039 times:

All that just proves if your the small guy, the big guy will crush you down, not care about doing it, then walk away.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineSwadispatcher From United States of America, joined May 2004, 427 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

A buddy of mine non-revved on these a few times.. said it was VERY nice to have the legroom.. too bad they aren't still flying out of here.



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4034 times:

All that just proves if your the small guy, the big guy will crush you down, not care about doing it, then walk away.

Yep.

Capitalism at its finest.

But just keep in mind that not all small carriers are smushed into oblivion. Valujet (now AirTran), America West, and Southwest were all once little airlines.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

I non-revved on a few of these from DAL to LGA and LAX in 2001. Quite a nice ride! Extremely comfortable seats and great food...first class all the way. I still have a menu from one of the flights, which featured a choice of filet mignon or lobster ravioli! They were never very full, though...I was therefore not terribly surprised when they dropped the flights once that pesky little Legend had been "taken care of."  Smile

Dutchjet, the only special name I recall was "F56", which showed up on the safety cards, information screens at the gate area, etc. (though not in SABRE, as I recall). Their name for the cabin service was "Executive Class."



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User currently offlineAllessandro From Netherlands, joined Apr 2004, 60 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

According to my information (former colleague of mine amended the operating manuals for these aircraft) AA designated this project as "F100 Love Birds" and was solely started to get ride of competition on specific routes. After the competition was gone, the F100 were re-styled back into the origional configuration.

User currently offlineTony Lu From China, joined Sep 2000, 534 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Wow! That's very interesting! Thanks for all the information!

Tony


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33280 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3337 times:

American actually continued to provide the service from Dallas Love Field even after Legend left. They announced the suspension of DAL-LAX in September 2001, but planned to keep DAL-LGA and DAL-ORD. However, as a result of 9.11, all DAL route were canceled.


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User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3253 times:

I flew on all three routes (LAX, ORD, LGA) on these F56 flights, and they were wonderful. The level of service, in terms of food and wine, was on par with international Flagship service. It remains, however, a portrait of what was, and in some cases, still is wrong with the airlines. It was a money loser from day one.

I flew the routes at least 5 times each for work, and not once was the plane over half full. In some respects, AA had the opportunity to build a very, at that time, unique product serving high yield business routes, much like UAL is doing with their p.s. concept. In my estimation, AA lost sight of the idea, and was driven by the blood lust to kill Legend - once that was accomplished, their service out of DAL was inconsistent, lackluster, and shrinking. This is something that AA will not repeat in the current market environment, and serves as a good example of an excellent business idea, that had no long term business plan - and as a result, ended up costing the airline more than it produced during its run.



See you up front!
User currently offlineAAnalyst From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

The loads were generally dismal on the routes. After a rather nasty snowstorm in ORD I needed to fly to LAX. Several ORD-LAX nonstops had been cancelled, and the remaining flights were oversold. I ended up flying ORD-DAL-LAX. ORD-DAL had about 8 passengers, and DAL-LAX a whole 13!

As previously stated, the food was great, and in my opinion better than the first class meals we were serving in mainline first class.



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