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Air Asia To Order 80 Short-haul Jets  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

According to Airliner World magazine, Malaysian low cost operator, Air Asia is on the verge of making a decision for 80 short-haul aircraft as it continues to expand its successful operations. According to the airline's Chief Executive Tony Fernandes, both Airbus and Boeing have an equal chance of winning the tender. Currently the LCC operates a mixed fleet of 737Classics. Deliveries are expected for late 2005/early 2006.

I think this will be a fiercely fought battle between A and B (A319? and B73G?).


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User currently offlineKl911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5085 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5205 times:


Wow, 80 A319's would be perfect!
But I asume some of them are options.. I don't see them ordering 80 firm for the moment. Anyway, if they order the A319, Malaysian customers will be very happy. Perfect, beautifull plane!



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5186 times:
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Perhaps they'll surprise all of us and order Embraer EMB190/195s.

Especially the EMB190 will become known not only as a regional jet but also as a smaller mainline jet after jetBlue starts flying them next year. Spacious, medium range, great economics, 100 seats = only 2 FAs, less empty seats on T/O, more frequencies.

The future is A vs B vs E, you'll see...



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5160 times:

I can see this order going either way (A or B, not E - yet  Big grin), and although we might get a few hints, my best is that we will not know for sure until the order is announced.

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-Will



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User currently offlineQexonial From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Howdy,

I don't see AK buying anything else besides Boeing aircrafts. With Valuair, Tiger Airways and Silkair of Singapore using the A320, I just don't see Tony choosing the A320. Maybe except for cutting cost on flight pilot training, I guess they would just expand their current B737 classics with B737NGs. I hope for B737-700s and B737-800s with winglets! As for the Embraers, I don't think they might since no neighbor airlines are using it yet.

Cheers!



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Ben Alexandre


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5599 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

The future is A vs B vs E, you'll see...

I hope so, at least in narrowbodies. For sure it will add more variety to those endless Airbus vs. Boeing wars here on a.net. Hopefully, I'll try Air Asia (along with Nok Air) in two weeks myself. Can't wait for it!

Horus,
any idea about the exact date for the decision to be made?


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

L410Turbolet, the article didn't mention an exact date but here is a part of the article:

"Adaptability in delivery schedules is understood to be key to the order, with first aircraft expected late 2005/early 2006."

So judging by this urgency, I don't think it'll be too long.

Horus




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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

This is old news, they have been asking Boeing and Airbus for prices for a month or two.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5045 times:

The EMB have NO WHERE near the CASM of the 73G and 319...

User currently offlineMiamix707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5021 times:

Wow, 80 A319's would be perfect!
But I asume some of them are options.. I don't see them ordering 80 firm for the moment. Anyway, if they order the A319, Malaysian customers will be very happy. Perfect, beautifull plane!


I don't know if it's a perfect fit for them or not, but it's Airbus ugliest creation to date before the A380 beats it in that dept. Both of those Airbii are so ugly it's almost obscene. I woudnt care for aviation at all if that's all the aircraft that flew.

just thought I add to the value of the thread lol  Smile

seriously, I hope they go with Boeing and help the local economy!


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

I don't know if it's a perfect fit for them or not, but it's Airbus ugliest creation to date before the A380 beats it in that dept. Both of those Airbii are so ugly it's almost obscene. I woudnt care for aviation at all if that's all the aircraft that flew.
Ugly? Nah. They are the cutest planes for my model airport, and I am not talking about the 1/500 versions.  Laugh out loud

-Will



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User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

I think they should go for the 737NG especially with winglets looks far sexier than the 319.
However, politics is hard to say in Malaysia these days. After all they prefer the Mig29 over the F-18s.



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User currently offlineSyarif From Malaysia, joined Jul 2004, 29 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4883 times:

For the majority of Malaysian whose flying experience is only the B737-400/300 (Malaysia Airlines and AirAsia), an A320/319 would be wierd and unnacustomed to. The A320 family have no place in Malaysia, it will be the friendly and longtime friendship of the B737 that remains and will be in the hearts and minds of Malaysian.

User currently offlineMAS A330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4866 times:

For the majority of Malaysian whose flying experience is only the B737-400/300 (Malaysia Airlines and AirAsia), an A320/319 would be wierd and unnacustomed to. The A320 family have no place in Malaysia, it will be the friendly and longtime friendship of the B737 that remains and will be in the hearts and minds of Malaysian.

Uh, actually i dont think many Malaysians care if its a 737 or 320/319. I dont see why a 320/319 would not fit in here. It suits the need just as well as the 737 does. It gets pax from point A to point B.


User currently offlineFlyerfly From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

I agree with MAS A330. IMHO I don't think many AirAsia customers would care about which type of aircraft the airline would use to transport them, as long as it is safe and well maintained and able to do the job.

For budget airline users, the type of aircraft is secondary, the main attraction for them is the low ticket prices.



User currently offlineSq_pilot From Singapore, joined May 2000, 80 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4711 times:

After all they prefer the MiG29 over the F-18s.
Wow! Really? and your source?
Actually SU-30 over F-18.

FYI, Malaysian have both MiG29 and F-16. Thanks.




User currently offlineMAS A330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4623 times:

FYI, Malaysian have both MiG29 and F-16. Thanks.

FYI, we dont have F-16.


User currently offlineSq_pilot From Singapore, joined May 2000, 80 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

FYI, we dont have F-16.
Sorry. I mean F/A-18D Hornets based at Butterworth Air Base, Penang.



User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

maybe an order for the B717? i think it would fit quite snuggly into their network while keeping cabin crew numbers down since this aircraft has only 2 exit doors...

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

I don't see AK buying anything else besides Boeing aircrafts. With Valuair, Tiger Airways and Silkair of Singapore using the A320, I just don't see Tony choosing the A320. Maybe except for cutting cost on flight pilot training, I guess they would just expand their current B737 classics with B737NGs

If you are trying to keep pilot training cost down, then the 737NG would be the way to go. The 737NG can easily be configured to display the 737-Classic cockpit display and crews can maintain cross-certification between the NG and Classic variants.


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

I hope they choose the Boeing 717.

PIA777



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User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

I agree with PIA777 and Asianguy767. I think the 717 would be a perfect fit into that area. Customer satisfaction on the 717 is also very high, or so I have heard. I think it would be great to maybe see a 717/73G joint order!  Big thumbs up

-Tim  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 570 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

Even though Air Asia is a Boeing operator now, don't be surprised if they switch to Airbus. The points made above notwithstanding, there hasn't been a single order lately where the size is completely out of proportion to the resources of the airline which has not gone to Airbus.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 915 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

I agree with PIA777 and Asianguy767. I think the 717 would be a perfect fit into that area. Customer satisfaction on the 717 is also very high, or so I have heard. I think it would be great to maybe see a 717/73G joint order!

Some airlines are thrilled to death, but I can think of several JetStar birds that have been traded and repainted more than a dozen times in 5 years.

The points made above notwithstanding, there hasn't been a single order lately where the size is completely out of proportion to the resources of the airline which has not gone to Airbus.

I wouldn't go that far. Boeing has scored many coups this year, very few of us thought Air NZ would order the 777s and 7E7s and the First Choice/Blue Panorama has exceeded the resources of the airlines, in some people's opinion.


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

One type is plenty cheaper than operating a mixed fleet, Southwest has proven this over the years, so going with the 737NG would make perfect sense. Even though the 717 is cheaper to operate than any 100 seater aircraft, I would still go with the 737NG

In terms of operating a mixed fleet, just look at the problems that Easyjet is having.



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