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Potential Customers For A346?  
User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Please let's not let this get into a A vs B thread but can we just list which airlines we think or hope would be operating the A346? I am thinking maybe,
1) QF (to replace their B743s)
2) KL (to replace B743s)
3) NW (to replace B742s)
4) MH
5) GA (to replace B742s)
6) CI (to replace B742s)
7) OA
I stand corrected if you hv more updated info, but this is just my opinion.

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User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3358 times:

1) Maybe, that is up for debate
2) Not a chance (772/773)
3) Probably not (see 6)
4) Nope (772 user already)
5) Who knows? That one would be 100% politics
6) Would not think a RR powered aircraft would suit them
7) Absolutely skint so not a prayer


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

1) QF (to replace their B743s)
2) KL (to replace B743s)
3) NW (to replace B742s)

Those three have already outlined their replacement plans, and NWA seems to be favoring additional 744s.

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-Will



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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

KL --- I assume they will get B773ERs, given that they already have B772ERs.

OA --- I doubt it. They seem to have dropped most of their long haul routes recently and,
for some time were flying their A340s ATH-LHR (do they still do that?) I can't see why they would need an even larger long haul plane...

Tony



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3336 times:

You are forgetting SQ who are openly seeking the A346 and 777-300ER  Big grin

User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

1/ 380 replace 744, 744 replace 743
2/Did that with 772 already
3/maybe
4/ 777 users already
5/ They have a few 777 due 2007 onwards
6/ CI 742 are long gone, they crash the last one two years ago.
7/ They found the 343 too hard to fill

Kev



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Definitely not KL, who don't even have any Airbuses in service yet (330s on order), are doing well with the 772ER and would likely move up to the 773ER.

OA would have to have a huge pax increase to justify 346 purchase, and with finances and management in a delicate situation no chance of any new aircraft at the moment. In answer to SNATH, AFAIK the OA 340s are frequent visitors to LHR in the summer season, but officially it's the A306/734.

QF, the only airline involved in the 777 Development Programme not to have ordered so far, seem to be showing more interest recently. So a 346 order is unlikely IMO.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

5) GA (to replace B742s)

Where would they go with such a large aircraft? Do they fly anywhere anymore?


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

I dobut you will see the A346 in the QF fleet. The 777 seems a more likley option. However the 743's have just been brought back into service but they will most likley be phased out whe then A380 arrives and routes that tha 743 flies will be replaced by 744's eventually.

User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

I hope but I doubt:
JAL
MAS
SriLankan Airlines
Swiss
Aeroflot
Finnair
Air Namibia
Air India
Vietnam Airlines

Possible?
Air Tahiti Nui



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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1780 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

I hope but I doubt:
JAL
MAS
SriLankan Airlines
Swiss
Aeroflot
Finnair
Air Namibia
Air India
Vietnam Airlines


JAL : No chance, B772/3 more likely.
MAS: No chance B772 flying already, B773 more likely
SriLankan : Possible.
Swiss : Possible
Aeroflot: No Chance, Using B772 already
Air Namibia: Possible
Air India : No chance, they're still planning to get A343s.
Vietnam Airlines: No chance, using B772s already.



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

I hope but I doubt:
JAL
MAS
SriLankan Airlines
Swiss
Aeroflot
Finnair
Air Namibia
Air India
Vietnam Airlines


Adding on to the above reply:
JAL- Loyal to Boeing
MAS- Pretty loyal to Boeing
SriLankan Airlines- Possibly, but I doubt seeing them order anything for a few years, or until things get figured out
Swiss- They (well, Swissair) were a 346 customer, so they could order it, but probably not until things get better for them
Finnair- The MD-11s will be there for a few more years, and I would bet that they would go Boeing as a replacement
Air India- Possibly, but there have been a few 777 rumors

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-Will



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 957 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Adding on to the above reply:
JAL: No chance, B772/3 more likely.
JAL: Loyal to Boeing


Again, adding to the above reply-

JAL: No chance in hell, already accepting deliveries of 777-300ER

SriLankan Airlines- Possibly, but I doubt seeing them order anything for a few years, or until things get figured out

SriLankan is, from what I understand, entering a sort of boom (maybe a bad choice of words) after their low point in 2001 when terrorist destroyed four SriLankan Airbi. Fleet growth could be in their near future.


User currently offlineBjg231 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Granted I haven't seen any info on Air Tahiti Nui's load factors, but assuming they do well with their A340-300s, I could see them ordering an A340-600. Although I'd think that they would order a 500 first, as Tahiti is pretty remote and could use an ULR aircraft.

How about some of the up and coming Chinese airlines. I have to admit that I'm pretty uninformed about their operations, but with both Boeing and Airbus lauding the booming SE Asian Airline market, maybe we could see a Chinese airline picking up a few. Any opinions?



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User currently offlineBuckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

China Southern already operates the A346.

As for emerging markets, both the 777ER/LR series and the 345/6 are overkill. Airlines instead may not buy them specifically for range, but their payload capability.

But money talks. These planes are so prohibitively expensive, that an extremely strong business case must be made for them.

I dobut you will see the A346 in the QF fleet. The 777 seems a more likley option. However the 743's have just been brought back into service but they will most likley be phased out whe then A380 arrives and routes that tha 743 flies will be replaced by 744's eventually.

Qantas will hold onto their 744's for quite a long time. The need for either a 345 or 772LR is always rumoured, but doesn't make too much sense at the moment. The case for either is, by far and large, a wet dream for most Qantas fans, IMO.

And for some reason, everyone on this forum seems to think that every airline in the world can afford 777's. Good for speculation, perhaps...


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3506 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Aeroflot actually is possible. They have only 2 leased 772. But they also have many other types in their long-haul fleet which is a mess. One they decide to clean it up we may see some buses (as they selected 319/320 for short haul).

Daniel


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Buckfifty,
Are you sure about that? China Eastern operates the A346, but China Southern operates the 772 (for longhaul I mean...I know that they are getting some 332s)...unless a deal that I have not heard about has been struck.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6751 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

GA A346?
Where would they go with such a large aircraft? Do they fly anywhere anymore?


Not a chance for the next 5 years! Their 742s and DC10s are being replaced by 737-700s for short haul, A330-300 medium haul, and the 777-200s for long haul flights to supplement the dismal long haul fleet currently of just 3 744s and 6 A333 medium haul.

Why not a chance for A346? They don't need it. They've selected the 777-200 as their tool for rebuilding their European network along with A330-300 flights via Dubai as the 3 A333 options get exercised (God Knows when but it's hotly discussed in GA).

Mandala499



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User currently offlineBuckfifty From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1316 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Buckfifty,
Are you sure about that? China Eastern operates the A346, but China Southern operates the 772 (for longhaul I mean...I know that they are getting some 332s)...unless a deal that I have not heard about has been struck.


You're right. Brain fart.


User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Am curious as to why some here say that just bcos an airline operates the B772ER there's no chance for them to try out the A346 esp QF, MH n GA when they also have the A330 in their fleet...

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

I think will some of those airlines to replace older 747 aircraft and will make switch to their new A40 aircraft anytime soon. They will like goes on with their A346 aircraft.

User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

SafetyDude,

Finnair- The MD-11s will be there for a few more years, and I would bet that they would go Boeing as a replacement

You could say why... They did go Airbus for their short-haul fleet so going
eventually Airbus for their long-haul fleet might make sense for them.

Danny,

Aeroflot actually is possible.

I agree too, but only if they really need the the capacity of the -600
(I don't think they have a plane that big right now...).

Tony



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Air India : No chance, they're still planning to get A343s.
Air India- Possibly, but there have been a few 777 rumors


I do hope I'm proved wrong. But as I mentioned on another topic, it's better to stick with goals that don't need divine intervention!


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

How about some of the up and coming Chinese airlines. I have to admit that I'm pretty uninformed about their operations, but with both Boeing and Airbus lauding the booming SE Asian Airline market, maybe we could see a Chinese airline picking up a few. Any opinions?
Quite a few Chinese airlines have placed an interest in the 7E7, and have been rumored to have paid a deposit for 60 (including options). The articles around the time of all of this seemed to suggest that the 7E7s would be used on routes that the 346 could also be used on, so I would rule out a few of those Chinese airlines.

You could say why... They did go Airbus for their short-haul fleet so going
eventually Airbus for their long-haul fleet might make sense for them.

True, but for some reason I think (purely in my head, mind you) they would go Boeing.

I do hope I'm proved wrong. But as I mentioned on another topic, it's better to stick with goals that don't need divine intervention!
I have not been able to fully read that AI topic, but perhaps you would like to give a summary of the rumors?  Big grin

-Will



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Although I'd think that they would order a 500 first, as Tahiti is pretty remote and could use an ULR aircraft.


TN did evaluate the A340-500, and determined that their destination for it (CDG) was too far and the winds too vicious to carry an acceptable payload.

The 777-200LR would probably arrive at their destination fine, but TN doesn't have the money to pay what Boeing wants for one, so they'll likely stick with what they have.

Further, buying 2 777-200LRs makes less sense than buying 2 A340-500s to go with a fleet of 5 A340-300s. When you're talking a small fleet, commonality is even more important.

N


25 FinnWings : Finnair- The MD-11s will be there for a few more years, and I would bet that they would go Boeing as a replacement You might be right with this, Safet
26 Buckfifty : Quite a few Chinese airlines have placed an interest in the 7E7, and have been rumored to have paid a deposit for 60 (including options). The articles
27 Post contains images DfwRevolution : I said this on other thread earlier, but the CEO of Finnair (Keijo Suila) have had a huge B772 plastic model on his desk now for a couple of months...
28 F4f3a : What about bmi they are looking to expand there long haul routes. Possibly could use it on routes from Manchester to china. Aeroflot i could see poten
29 Horus : Egyptair are considering re-ordering 2 A346s (plus 2 options) to replace the capacity of the retired B743s. Horus
30 Carpethead : Anybody mentioned Air India as a possible candidate if the A343 sale goes ahead. By the time bureaucracy and internal politics wrangling, it may be di
31 Post contains images SafetyDude : The two aircraft are essentially apples and oranges. 7E7's, by current definition, are too small to operate long haul trunk routes unless used in high
32 RayChuang : I think Air India (AI) may become a customer for the A340-600HGW. The reason is simple: AI needs a plane with enough pax/cargo capacity to fly from BO
33 Swissgabe : Guy's, on my list I said: I would like, but I doubt! I'm aware of the points listed down and it is well known which airline are loyal to Boeing and wh
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