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RDU-LGA: Is There Really That Much Traffic?  
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 15
Posted (11 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

OK...let me get this straight...AA has an ERJ-145 and 11 ERJ-135's (all Eagle) on the route, DL has 5 CRJ-200's (Comair), and US has 6 ERJ-145's (Chautauqua)...in addition, on RDU-JFK, AA has an ERJ-140 and 4 ERJ-135's (Eagle) and DL has 3 CRJ-200's (Comair), and AA has six ERJ-135's to go with CO's two 737-800, a 737-500, a 737-300, and 3 ERJ-145's (ExpressJet) from RDU-EWR...why the madness? RDU-NYC can't be that busy of a route to justify 44 flights (all flights researched RDU-NYC, on Wednesday, August 11, 2004)...and the majors blame the LCC's about yields being depressed? Maybe they ought to look in the mirror every so often...

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33917 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

It is a busy route, though the reason for all the flights is frequency. It is a huge route for business travelers, so the airlines offer plenty of frequency to the business travelers. The flight don't all go out full. I'd be surprised if the average load factor was higher than 65% during most of the year.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6909 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Keep in mind too that not all the traffic is heading to NYC. Some of it is connecting onward to Europe (since EWR and JFK are both major gateways to Europe). And in CO's case at EWR, there's likely some domestic connecting traffic as well.

User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

Research Triangle Park might have something to do with it. I know RTI, (Research Triangle Institute) works with other firms in the NE. We had some contract work with RTI at one point and they were always shuttling employees from RDU.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

OK, but still...the 27th largest O&D market from NYC (according to faremeasure.com) has 44 flights per day from NYC, including two airlines competing from each of the three NYC-area airports...yields can't possibly be THAT strong...

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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17365 posts, RR: 66
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

As Jerion says, Research Triangle Park is a big part of it. 15000 IBM personnel if nothing else.

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User currently offlineWomack17 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 497 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3600 times:
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Whether or not it makes sense - It is obvious that RDU-NYC has always been a busy route. Midway had six dailies on the RDU-LGA and/or RDU-EWR and at one point they were all on mainliners

Oh how I miss Midway Airlines. A class act right to then end.
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (11 years 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

What is wild is that there are so many flights each day, and except for a very few, they are all flown with Regional Jets seating 50 passengers or less - and we wonder why airports are crowded and flights are delayed?

I really do understand the logic behind regional jets, the lower operating costs for crew flying regional operations due to union rules and regs, and that the business traveller appreciates the luxury of frequency on routes so he or she can come and go at their convenience, but does any of this make sense? Its gotta be more economical for AA to fly 6 or 7 mainline flights between LGA and RDU for example than scheduling 12 Eagle departures per day. With 6 or 7 mainline flights per day, there is still a flight every 2 hours or so departing during key flying hours, more seats available on the route (possibly for discount fare passengers or connections) and it reduces arrivals and departures at busy airports - especially at a slot controlled airport like LGA, doesnt it seem wasteful to use 12 arrival slots and 12 departure slots per day on one route operated exclusively with smaller aircraft? Have the airlines gone a bit overboard with regional jets on routes such as these?

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