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If AA Gets To Asia  
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5630 times:

I did a search and nothing came up, so the question that i have is how successful do you think AA will be in Asia. They want a major expansion, but how would they do this, only NW and UA have the all important 5th freedom rights and there is no way that the japanese government would give these to AA. Also AA wants to go to China, well the thing is, IF they get rights, which may not happen, then how successful do you think they would be. I know that in Asia it seems as if people are very loyal to certain companies and UA and NW are those, NW being the bigger of the two. AA has no brand recognition in Asia, so how successful do you think they will be with this Asian expansion that they think they can do.

I personally think they will fail for the reasons that they have none of the above mentioned items needed. What do you guys think?


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User currently offlineN949WP From Hong Kong, joined Feb 2000, 1437 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5406 times:

AA has several daily flights into Tokyo, Japan. The last time I checked, Japan is definitely in Asia.  Insane

User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

The word we get from management is that the Asian market will splinter with more point-to-point flying, due to smaller, longer range aircraft such as the new A340s and 777s, as opposed to the 747-400s, in much the same way the transatlantic market changed with the advent of the 767 and A330.

However, it seems like the routes AA wants to serve will be to major hubs such as ORD and DFW. The routes AA is looking to fly are ORD-PVG and possibly DFW-Hong Kong. Despite the fact AA has little or no brand recognition in Asia, it will be more reliant upon U.S. business travelers for traffic. I would expect AA's overall growth in Asia to be very gradual.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5347 times:

AA has several daily flights into Tokyo, Japan. The last time I checked, Japan is definitely in Asia.

No kidding, that is why if you read the message it says EXPANSION. Also, you obviously dont know that by saying GETS to ASIA doesnt necessarily mean that they just begin to Asia.



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User currently offlineAsianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

perhaps AA should consider ORD/JFK-DEL/BOM? I do know that AA has considerable codeshare agreements with CX n BR so I guess for now this works best for them till the time comes when they believe they are ready to operate on thier own to say HKG and TPE.

User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

Building off of what NYCAAer stated above, the lack of fifth freedom rights really wouldn't matter for AA, because they would like to fly to Chinese cities from established U.S. hubs. Point-to-point flying from Narita for AA would be a little ridiculous... I don't think AA would want to become the seventh carrier in a market like NRT-Seoul (NW, UA, NH, JL, KE, and Asiana beat them to it).

Additionally, AA codeshares with JL and CX, so there would be no need to start their own flights from Tokyo onward to China when these routes are already covered by alliance partners.

As far as being successful in China... well, AA might not have the brand recognition there, but they definitely have it in the USA. Combine this with the growing factor of globalization, increasing Western business influence in China, and the advantage of being one of the few airlines to operate from the US to China nonstop, and I think American will perform quite well in China, if both governments give them that opportunity.


Regards,

N-Dub



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

They want a major expansion, but how would they do this, only NW and UA have the all important 5th freedom rights and there is no way that the japanese government would give these to AA

There's much more to Asia than China and Japan. If AA got that into their heads and managed to get some sort of arrangement to fly 5th freedom via Europe - as DL and NW have done - they could get started towards building up a decent Asian presence. It is bizarre though. The world's largest carrier is virtually non-existent in the world's largest continent.


User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5057 times:

I did hear that AA plans to inaugurate a Mumbai flight out of JFK or ORD!

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

In today's world, 5th freedom routes will be very seldomly awarded. UA and NW are reaping benefits of 5th Freedom after WWII plus with aircraft that can now overfly Japan, why bother?
AA is slowly building Asia, but currently it serves only Tokyo but I hope it will consider re-starting services to Osaka and start new services to China, Nagoya or others.


User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4942 times:

I heard Chicago - Hong Kong in 2005

User currently offlineB2443 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 703 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Somewhere I heard PVG was going to be granted with the 5th. If that's true, AA could fly to PVG like crazy and build a hub there instead of in Japan. Then AA could go to BKK, HKG, and even to India. I'd have no doubt AA would be successful at PVG, given the local crowd has an "any(****) foreign is better than Chinese" attitude. Oh no, don't even think about PEK.

User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4914 times:

What about AA expansion to Asia from SJC?

User currently offlineChgoflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

They need ORD HKG to tie into CX and fix one of the biggest flaws of Oneworld!


Will someone please wake me up in 4 years
User currently offlineCoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

I really doubt AA sets up a hub anywhere in asia but operates the Pacific sector like the Atlantic. They will do routes that they can w/ the 777s and then expand when one day they can afford 7e7s.


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User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4358 times:

IF AA got to Asia.... Then all the other major's would be SOL.

AA is only as big as it is b/c they are America's largest carrier. Literally. They basically own America towards the most hubs and the most departures in and out of certain airports.

If/when they get the rights which they might already have (Tokyo) then they could easily expand like none other. This would be either great or bad. But if AA plays their cards right they should have no issues. And with a few 767 in storage they can swap those on a few shorter 777 routes and then take the 777's that they have put on hold up in Seattle...

Thanks again!

UA777222



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Exactly! They might be the biggest in the world, but that world seems to end with the Americas. Compared to other carriers, they're almost non-existent in the rest of the world. It is bizarre indeed that the world's largest carrier is virtually non-existent in the world's largest continent.

Kind of like the winning baseball team being crowned "World Champions"!


User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Well I disagree with the two last replies... AA is the most important carrier all over Latinamerica, so if they built a loyal clientele and an extensive route network through the continent, why can't they do it between the US and Asia? They were nothing when they came to Latinamerica, just the replacement of Eastern Airlines...


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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4160 times:

CRFLY: Don't think anyone's saying they can't do it. It's just being pointed out that they're nowhere in Asia and not very big in Europe either.

User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Part of the problem has to do with AA's ties with CX and One World. Yes, AA should definitely expand their route to cover the major cities in Asia! A lucrative market would be to Hong Kong. DFW-HKG or ORD-HKG would be ideal. Especially considering that the only airline that has cornered that market has been UA with direct ORD-HKG. But once again, CX would probably object to that without getting a piece of the pie. And since CX has an excellent grasp of the premiere Asian routes, there is no way CX would let AA start competing with them.

Now the question then becomes, how willing is AA to closely work with CX to form a true partnership, maybe similar to NW and KLM? For instance, will AA let CX into Dallas? Will AA let CX fly the ORD-HKG route?



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4051 times:

I never understood why AA dropped daily SEA-NRT 772 service instead of just downgrading to 763. Now AA is dropping SJC-NRT 772 service. Why not try 763 on the route?




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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

Now AA is dropping SJC-NRT 772 service. Why not try 763 on the route?


Because they need the slot at Narita to operate a second daily ORD-NRT flight.


Regards,

N-Dub



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User currently offlineCX346 From Greenland, joined Apr 2003, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

And why would anyone fly AA if they can fly CX?  Smile
during the Internet boom, AA had a flight SJC-TPE but failed to attract enough business. I don't expect them to increase their destinations in Asia, but rather increase their codeshares and cooperation with CX. DFW and ORD will be linked to HKG sooner or later, but most likely on CX metal.


User currently offlineLumumba From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3656 times:

Hi everybody.
And why not jfk/ord-bru-delhi or Bombay after SABENA we don't have any asian conection anymore.And SNBA is code sharing with AA so this can be a good option.We also have a big Indain comunity in Antwerp.
Regards
Patrice


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3609 times:


"Now the question then becomes, how willing is AA to closely work with CX to form a true partnership, maybe similar to NW and KLM? For instance, will AA let CX into Dallas? Will AA let CX fly the ORD-HKG route?"

The answer to this comes down to Oneworld internal politics. Considering CX's main attraction to Oneworld was the tremendous passenger feed potential from North America that AA has, I would think they'd work as well as QF/BA work on their joint routes. An ORD-HKG flown by a CX A346 and fed by AA traffic would easily out compete any offering that Star could put together.

Would CX serve DFW direct from Hong Kong?? Probably not yet. It would be interesting to see both CX and QF start HKG-DFW & SYD-DFW at the same time. Overnight DFW becomes an ultra long haul hub for Oneworld!!


User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3570 times:


AA will not create an overseas hub in Asia. Too much expense and effort involved. U.S. airlines prefer to code share than build up liabilities such as airplanes and working capital. With Japan as something like 1/2 of total Asian GNP, then a hub in Tokyo plus the history made sense. But, those days are over. No new overseas hubs for U.S. carriers.


25 Post contains images Pilatusguy : Why would AA want to compete with it's alliance partners on the pacific route? I assume they'll make more money out of a code-share operation (with no
26 Aa777jr : http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1689666/ I found out service to HKG starts in 2005 and they would be flying ORD to PKE
27 COAB767 : I heard from a friend of mine who works at CO mainline, that CO is supposedly gonna drop the EWR-HKG run, and do a EWR-SIN run. So I wonder if that's
28 NYCAAer : Also, one thing to note: AA may not be big in Europe, but they are the largest U.S. carrier out of LHR, far and away the most heavily traveled and mos
29 Mrniji : In today's world, 5th freedom routes will be very seldomly awarded I just see it the other way. Liberalization of civil aviation and alliances increas
30 NYCAAer : Quote- Also in regards to AA not having the monet to buy 7E7, again, AA isn't in any fianancial dires. They currently have over $4 billion in the ban
31 Ishky15 : I heard from a friend of mine who works at CO mainline, that CO is supposedly gonna drop the EWR-HKG run, and do a EWR-SIN run. So I wonder if that's
32 Post contains images Fliboyz : YYZ717- Where did you hear or read that AA will be dropping SJC-NRT service? As far as I know, nothing or noone has said anything about discontiuing t
33 AA7573E : The title of this thread is a bit off. It's not a question of 'IF' AA gets to Asia, but more appropriately, 'When AA expands further into Asia'. As me
34 NYCAAer : Very well said, AA7573E! That should be the final word for this thread- it sums it up in just one paragraph!
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