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RE: Largest 747-400 Operator In The World  
User currently offlineNWA757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 172 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13948 times:

Quick Question....Who is CURRENTLY the largest 747-400 Series passenger aircraft operator in the world?? Just wondering..



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13869 times:

British Airways. They operate a fleet of 57 B 747-400s.

Heard that Singapore Airlines was ONCE the world's largest B 747-400 operator. Can anyone confirm that?


User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13827 times:

At one point it's possible.... including -400F aircraft probably..

User currently offlineAeroFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13808 times:

Sq only has 29 in their fleet now

User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13797 times:

It has to be BA. Them or maybe CX, LH (saw about 16 at FRA and that was pax only proably about another 5freighters), AF, KLM, UA(at one time or another)....

Thanks again!

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User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13758 times:

SQ's fleet of 744's is winding down. Just gave some to AI.
By late in the decade, they will be completely gone from the SQ fleet.

SQ fleet circa 2010: A380, A340-500, B777-200/300/ER/LR, etc.

It's sad, but the truth. Boeing really messed up by not giving one of the largest 747 operators what it needed for the future.

Same thing will happen, albeit on a smaller scale with QF.



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User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5870 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 13486 times:

Jal is also one of the larger 744 operators, nearly 45 i think and 2 744F to be delivered also.


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User currently offlinePhilsquares From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 13441 times:

I think you'll find the 744 in SQ's fleet for quite a while longer. There is still another freighter to be delivered this month and you will see some of the later 744 pax aircraft turned into SF's.



User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13321 times:

just a side note: China Airlines Cargo has the largest B747-400F fleet with 16 aircrafts. Newest to be delivered sometimes this month and will replace one leased 744F aircraft.


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User currently offlineUafedexflyboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 12677 times:

JAL is the largest operator of the 747. They have 111, combined passenger and freighter versions, with the 112th and 113th being assembled at Boeing right now. The 112th being a freighter and the 113th being a passenger.

This information was provided by Boeing when on the factory tour. I saw the two newer ones on the assembly line myself. It was sweet!!


User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12356 times:

LH-has only 30 744's in their fleet.


User currently offlinePlanekrazy777 From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12084 times:

I believe cargo lux has 16 400 f's with another due in th fall korean cargo around 13-14 400 f's I think the 747 is the ultimate freighter, it sure can swallow alot of freight, and everywheer it goes someone whants to snap a photo.

User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11990 times:

Uafedexflyboy,

I think the topic clearly stated the LARGEST 747-400 OPERATOR...



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User currently offlineIrishpower From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11612 times:

744's--BA has the largest fleet, followed by JAL, I believe UA would be up there too if you count a/c in storage--(I think at one time they had about 46-744's)

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8663 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 11544 times:

Philsquares,
I believe SQ has already announced that they'll be pax-744 free by 2010. So no, we will not see a pax 744 in SQ's fleet for much longer.


User currently offlineNightFlier From United States of America, joined May 2004, 284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11376 times:

Uafedexflyboy is correct JAL has the largest fleet  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11093 times:


Britisch airways has the most with 57 747-400's

second is SQ with 45 747-400s

third is JAL with 43 747-400's




greetings, maurice


User currently offlineNWA757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10599 times:

Great to see a lengthly discussion. Thanks for the help.


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10555 times:

youre welcome NWA757, although the list will change very soon, since SQ is slowly getting rid of theire 747's and probably goes the same for BA....

User currently offlineAeroFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10228 times:

MauriceB

Where did you get 45 744s for Sq from? I just checked their web site and it states 29


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10138 times:

Aerofan dont forget the 747F's


45 active planes, 4 storrage and about 2 sold/leased to iberia



24975 (838) 747-412 25/02/1991 9V-SMI
25068 (852) 747-412 21/05/1991 9V-SMJ
25127 (859) 747-412 25/06/1991 9V-SMK
26547 (921) 747-412 11/06/1992 9V-SMM
26548 (923) 747-412 16/06/1992 9V-SMN
26549 (1030) 747-412 27/05/1994 9V-SMZ
26550 (1040) 747-412 21/09/1994 9V-SPA
26551 (1045) 747-412 28/10/1994 9V-SPB
26552 (1056) 747-412 30/03/1995 9V-SPD
26553 (1069) 747-412F 29/08/1995 9V-SFD
26554 (1070) 747-412 13/10/1995 9V-SPE
26555 (1075) 747-412 07/03/1996 9V-SPH
26556 (1084) 747-412 17/07/1996 9V-SPJ
26557 (1101) 747-412 30/01/1997 9V-SPL
26558 (1173) 747-412F 03/09/1998 9V-SFG
26559 (1285) 747-412F 17/09/2001 9V-SFJ
26561 (1042) 747-412F 29/09/1994 9V-SFB
26562 (1074) 747-412 15/02/1996 9V-SPG
26563 (1036) 747-412F 05/08/1994 9V-SFA
27066 (940) 747-412 13/10/1992 9V-SMO
27067 (953) 747-412 22/12/1992 9V-SMP
27068 (1000) 747-412 13/10/1993 9V-SMU
27069 (1010) 747-412 22/12/1993 9V-SMV
27070 (1049) 747-412 16/12/1994 9V-SPC
27071 (1072) 747-412 04/12/1995 9V-SPF
27132 (955) 747-412 30/01/1993 9V-SMQ
27133 (962) 747-412 26/02/1993 9V-SMR
27134 (981) 747-412 20/06/1993 9V-SMS
27137 (990) 747-412 19/08/1993 9V-SMT
27178 (1015) 747-412 28/01/1994 9V-SMW
27217 (1023) 747-412 17/03/1994 9V-SMY
28022 (1082) 747-412 20/06/1996 9V-SPI
28025 (1289) 747-412 31/10/2001 9V-SPQ
28026 (1105) 747-412F 13/03/1997 9V-SFF
28027 (1256) 747-412F 28/09/2000 9V-SFI
28028 (1270) 747-412 29/03/2001 9V-SPO
28029 (1276) 747-412 07/06/2001 9V-SPP
28030 (1298) 747-412F 01/03/2002 9V-SFK
28031 (1266) 747-412 08/02/2001 9V-SPN
28032 (1224) 747-412F 05/08/1999 9V-SFH
28263 (1094) 747-412F 26/11/1996 9V-SFE
29950 (1241) 747-412 30/03/2000 9V-SPM
32897 (1322) 747-412F 27/02/2003 9V-SFL
32898 (1333) 747-412F 21/08/2003 9V-SFM
32899 (1342) 747-412F 05/03/2004 9V-SFN

(This is the active fleet, as you can see the recently add a 747F)



User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

When Boeing confirms the B 747 Advanced we will probably see large orders from BA, UA and SQ etc. Also CX

After the same of 8 B 747-400s to CX and KA, SQ will only have 25-27 left right?

SMN is gone BTW.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7565 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9465 times:

When Boeing confirms the B 747 Advanced we will probably see large orders from BA, UA and SQ etc.

Your kidding right? United is getting rid of 744's not to mention they have no money.



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User currently offlineAeroFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9440 times:

i think u are going to see Vs order some as well.

MauriceB. OK u are the man. Didn't count their freighters


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9197 times:

MauriceB,
I seriously doubt that BA will be shrinking the size of their 744 fleet anytime soon. I know that there has been occasional talk of overcapacity, but LHR is still quite busy and operating larger aircraft on some routes will be a necessity (whether it be the 744 or 380).
I think more evidence that BA is holding on to their 744s for some time is the failed deal with Cathay. Cathay is currently buying PW powered 744s from SQ, but they had been working out an agreement with BA for something like 10-15 RR powered 744s for commonality with their fleet. Anyway, the deal fell through because BA reportedly did not want to sell as many 744s as CX wanted. (I am not completely familiar with the details of the deal, and I welcome other comments) So, I would say that is pretty good evidence that they plan to keep them around for a while. If not, why not sell them when you have an interested buyer?


25 United Airline : UA is getting rid of SOME B 747-400s because they do not need the capacity for now. They are not getting rid of the entire fleet. Should they need rep
26 Burnsie28 : I know that its SOME 744's. And getting out of chapter 11 is looking slim. Anyway, a little off topic, here is the list according to all 747's in flee
27 United Airline : Technically UA has 42 I think UA will be fine.
28 YOW : CX has only 29? Or is that not counting freighters?
29 Burnsie28 : Not counting freighters, NW has 36 or would have 49 with Cargo aircraft included.
30 BA380 : U can't see VS ordering any 747As - they have just placed a large order for 346s and have 388s on order, too, so are unlikely to wanna add another typ
31 United Airline : Well they already operate two different aircraft type: A 340 and B 747. And they took delivery of a few B 747-400s that were originally planned for Al
32 Rwylie77 : Slightly off the topic, but why do BA not operate any 747 freighters? They have a huge cargo building at LHR but I've never seen a BA freighter only a
33 Post contains links and images MauriceB : Rwylie77, they used to have a leased 747-400F from atlas from 1998 or so till 2000 View Large View MediumPhoto © Dion Fuchs
34 GuyBetsy1 : Actually.. CX only has 19 passenger 747-400s. 5 747-400Fs and 7 747-200Fs. They're getting 3 ex-SQ 747-400s to be converted to passenger aircrafts whi
35 QANTAS747 : Qantas actually have 36 747's in their fleet, not the 34 in that list, 24 744Longreach, 6 744ER, 6 743's, but 2 are in storage, due to come out end of
36 United Airline : SAA will probably hang on with their B 747-400s for a while.....
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