ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7 Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6119 times:
What are the rules in terms of crew rest? Do crew get something like 8 hours of sleep and a couple of hours before and after or is there something fixed? Does the crew rest depend on how long the crew flew during their previous shift etc? I remember once this AA flight attendant who announced that the crew had a long day - IIRC she said about 13 hours - and that we should make it easier on them when boarding: was DFW-ATL (yeah, the nerve she had!).
Anyways, looking at CO's IAH-YVR-IAH late night flight that arrives at YVR at 23:11 and the aircraft departs at 8:15, would it be fair to assume that a different set of crew actually flies it out? The next departure is at 11:30.
Freshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6083 times:
Yes that would probably be correct that another crew would get it, unless the crew that flew it in goes on reduced rest. It all depends on how crew scheduling schedules it for them, but most of the time in a situation like that another crew takes it and that crew that brought it in will probably not fly until the next afternoon.
HAL From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6010 times:
If you were hoping for a simple answer, there isn't one. That's because the FAA has made the regulations different depending on whether you are flying domestic flights, flag (international) flights, and whether there are two, three, or more pilots in the crew. Also, flight attendant rules are different from pilot rules.
As for the basics:
In domestic flying, pilots of two-pilot aircraft may not fly more than 8 hours (flight time) between required rest periods. The FAA has decided that rest rules use a 'look back' method. What that means is that at any time you must be able to look back 24 hours and find a legal rest period somewhere in that 24 hours.
For a standard day with a two-pilot crew flying less than 8 hours, that flight time must have been preceeded by a 9 hour rest period. If the flight time exceeds 8 hours for reasons beyond the pilots control (weather, ATC delays etc) they may finish the day that they were scheduled for, but then must receive extra rest before they fly again. The numbers for that extra rest are in the FAA regs. The airline may also schedule less than 9 hours rest (down to a minimum of 8), but after the subsequent flights, the pilots must then have a much longer rest period.
And finally, the definition of 'rest' is that it is "time completely free from company duty". Whether or not the pilot sleeps is completely up to him/her. If the airline puts you up in a hotel starting at midnight, and you have a show time of 10am with another 6 hours of flying that day, it would certainly be wise to get some sleep.
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Slawko From Canada, joined May 1999, 3799 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5869 times:
Every country has their own rules on the subject, the FAA is not the be all and end all. ETstar if you are interested in Canadian rules on crew rest, and duty days go to the transport canada website and look up the Canadian Air Regulations (CARS) They give you the legal definitions, each airline then has their own agreements/contracts with their employees on duty day and crew rest issues.
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Ts-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3488 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5818 times:
6 hrs flying = 11 hrs rest or 6 hrs rest then 18 hrs.
6:01 - 8 hrs = a rest period equal to (flying hours*3)
8:01 - 10 hrs = a rest equal to (flying hours*4)
Flying over 10 hrs consecutively request prior permission from national aviation authorities.
Crew flying short/medium haul routes should have a 36 hrs rest per week.
Crew flying long haul services should have 4 consecutive days per month and 5 consecutive days each trimester or semester.
When crew fly as passengers they couldn't take service upon arrival and they should have a rest, at least, equal to the duration of the flight they made.
The annual average of flying hours shouldn't exceed 75 hrs per month. In a single month, flying hours shouldn't exceed 95 hrs. In 2 months flying hours shouldn't exceed 180 hrs, and in a trimester pilot couldn't have flown for more than 265 hrs.
This is what i have learnt in my JAR "Aviation Law" course.