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85th Anniversary KLM & Old Airlines?  
User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

What will take place around the party of 85 years KLM on October 7? Who knows the inside information? Should I wait with buying my tickets?

What about other old airlines?

http://www.klm.com/corporate_en/index.jsp

33 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

This year Avianca-Colombia will celebrate their 85th year anniversary as well, I think the best way they can celebrate is getting out of Chapter 11 before the end of the year!

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

KL and AV are the oldest operating airlines. I think mexicana will celebrate its 81th or 82th birthday this year....


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4640 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3152 times:

Qantas is 85 in 2005...

Well on the way to 100, profitable, expanding... very nice!

Trent.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Chalks is also 85 years old. The airline began regular service between Miami and Bimini in 1919. Chalks is older then Avianca or KLM.

User currently offlineJCS From Netherlands, joined Jun 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Ha, thanks people! Nice to hear all those old airlines, but I did never hear about 'Chalks' before! However, they have a nice bird on their homepage!

I think Sabena was some months older also? (They just mention 1919 on their 'website' www.sabena.com/www.sabenabankruptcy.com).


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Lufthansa is 78 years old and their predecessors date back to 1919.

pelican


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

according to KLM they are the oldest, although it isn't really KLM anymore. so think avianca is the oldest!

greetings maurice


User currently offlineKLM777 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

KLM doesn't claim to be the oldest airline, they claim to be the oldest airline still operating under the same brand name. However I guess these days will soon be over...

Kind regards,

Jeroen




Every landing is a controlled crash
User currently offlinePualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

This coming November will make 75 years that Hawaiian Airlines have been in business. I believe Quantas and Hawaiian are the world safety record holders.


pualani


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

I think Chalks isnt older than KL or AV.....maybe they are from the same year, but no more.


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

QANTAS

There is NO U.




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User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2920 times:

Avianca in Colombia and KLM in the Netherlands were regarded as the oldest operating airlines in the world, being KLM the world oldest and Avianca the America's oldest. Their age difference is not very much but KLM is now part of AF whilst Avianca is struggling to come off Chapter 11 and being handed over to the best bidder.
In this state of affairs is odd saying if either is still the oldest in the world.  Confused

Cheers ACES320 A British Colombian citizen




LHR, BHX, EDI, BKK, USM, CNX, PHU, GRU,PEI, BOG, CTG, CPH, AMS, DOH, DXB, FRA, MAD and always PEI
User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2909 times:

ACESA320: At least AV is not being bought by another airline....poor KLM.


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2897 times:

Chalks started in 1919. There are claimed to be the Oldest Airline. But they are all close and old.
JCS: Yea Chalks is great. I fly them all the time to Paridise Island Sea Plane port. Those birds can really fly! Gruman-73



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineACES320 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 393 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

RCS763av I think AV's future is as dull as the one facing KLM so far.
No aim to offend of course




LHR, BHX, EDI, BKK, USM, CNX, PHU, GRU,PEI, BOG, CTG, CPH, AMS, DOH, DXB, FRA, MAD and always PEI
User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

I believe Chalks began in Feb of 1919 and KLM in August 1919 and Avianca in November 1919.

Hope that helps


User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

The first scheduled daily international service was on 25 August 1919 by AT&T, a predecessor of British Airways. The flight was from Hounslow, near Heathrow, to Paris, Le Bourget, at 0910. It is believed that the aircraft returned as the 1230 flight back to London. Later in the year, in October, lunchboxes were introduced for those with strong enough stomachs to resist air sickness.





Per Ardua ad Astra! ........ Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense!
User currently offlineAcvitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2801 times:

It occurs to me that Miami to Bimini is international and that service began in Feb 1919 which still keeps Chalks as the oldest.

User currently offlineJOUY31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

AF was officially launched on the same day, October 7th, but 14 years later, in 1933.

User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

The first scheduled daily international service was on 25 August 1919 by AT&T





Per Ardua ad Astra! ........ Honi Soit Qui Mal y Pense!
User currently offlineFinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

Whenever talking about history of aviation you shouldn't forget Finland... Our air forces are one of the oldest and Finnair is 4th oldest airline in the world. Quite a long aviation traditions in this small country...

Best Regards,
FinnWings


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

So the oldest airlines are:

1. Chalks
2. KLM
3. Avianca
4. Finnair
5. ????? (maybe mexicana?)



Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineAnthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

MX was officially born on July 12th 1921. So it is 83 years old.


Over 80 years in business say a lot about success
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2674 times:
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SAA is a baby, celabrating 70 years this year  Smile


After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
25 JCS : Thanks for the information! Chalks seems to be our 1. Next question: what about the oldest airports from all (inter)national civil aviation airports t
26 RCS763av : I think BAQ Ernesto Cortizzos is really old, like from the 1920s!
27 Acvitale : Chalk's may have that as well simply as their airport is the government cut in Miami. Chalk's has operated out of Watson Island in Miami from 1919 til
28 Swissgabe : Well, SriLankan Airlines is getting 25 years. Swiss had it's 2nd birthday, how nice ...
29 Post contains links and images L410Turbolet : CSA's 81st birthday is coming up in October... View Large View MediumPhoto © Alan Lebeda
30 FlyCaledonian : British Airways is 30 this year! Though its predecessor Imperial Airways was also around in 1919. Its got the lineage, but the likes of KLM, QANTAS, A
31 BEG2IAH : Jat Airways is a 77 year old company. Its predecessor Aeroput was established in 1927. It was later called Yugoslav Airlines (JAT), and now Jat Airway
32 BlueSky1976 : LOT is 75 this year. Established in 1929.
33 RCS763av : Ok, Finnair cannot be the 4th oldest, they were founded in 1923!
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