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Explain This Photo...is This Real?  
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17671 posts, RR: 46
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16396 times:

How is this possible? What is the minimum separation? Is this real?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/637285/L/

[Edited 2004-08-11 17:35:30]


E pur si muove -Galileo
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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16063 times:
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And what aircraft is he shooting this photo from? If it is real, it truly is an amazing shot. The opportunity to shoot a photo like this must be one in a million.

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineAeroyu From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2000, 178 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16049 times:

It looks like very close, but it actually has 1,000 feet seperation, the RVSM rule applies.


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User currently offlineInvictus From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16049 times:

It appears to be like the bloke said: RVSM  Smokin cool


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User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16031 times:

Simply the effect of using a telephoto zoom lens. It makes the object in the far distance (the 747 in this case) appear much closer than it actually is.

No regulations broken at all as it's in RVSM airspace, and the photo is perfectly real.  Smile

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineBIGBlack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15981 times:

Photoshop is quite the application. That looks real and quite scary.


Someone special in the air
User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15955 times:


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Photo © Bailey - AirTeamImages



Once again, Bailey strikes back with another of his incredible photos! Nice one!

How is this possible? What is the minimum separation?

Which separation are you talking about now? Between the two planes visible, or between the 340 and the plane from which the photo was taken. As far as I know, 1000 feet, as described in the remark, is the amount of separation that is usually used, and I suppose that is more than enough. I am assuming this shot was taken with a long tele lens, and its flying above the 340. These are all just (probably dumb) conjectures, so we should get Bailey himself here to answer this!

Is this real?

If I were you, I would take a look through the rest of Bailey's images, before accusing him of forgery. The nature of his job (777 pilot) allows him to take pictures such as these. Always expect the unexpected from him!

Sebastian  Big thumbs up

Edit: KI911: He is a pilot, and pilots have a view out the front! Careful what you say!

[Edited 2004-08-11 17:46:54]


I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineInvictus From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15928 times:

Kl911

Been flying for 20 years now and never had a problem looking forward. What are you talking about?  Confused



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User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15903 times:

Impossible, the photographer would have been about 200 yards behind the plane to shoot this, plus , if you're on a plane you cannot look forward, only left and right. It's a fake!

As LHSebi quite rightly said, take a look at some of Bailey's other shots before accusing him of taking fake pictures. It doesn't take a genius to figure out he's an SQ 777 pilot.

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineBIGBlack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15860 times:

I would be a pilot. Awesome stuff. Is there a link to view his other photos? Looks like amazing stuff. To the untrained eye it looks scary but it still looks phenomenal especially knowing it's authentic.


Someone special in the air
User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15816 times:

I found myself looking at it for at least 4 minutes non-stop (well I did blink Big grin)

This is an amazing photo i have to admit. Thanks Bailey for providing us with such scenery!



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User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15807 times:

Is there a link to view his other photos?

Yes. Open the photo above, then click on "More" next to his name, and boom! Big grin

Sebastian



I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17671 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15796 times:

"before accusing him of forgery"

No one's accusing him of forgery. I wanted to know how this is possible primarily. I knew there was a reduced vertical minimum separation but I thought there was still a horizontal separation requirement...




E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineBIGBlack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15787 times:

Awesome! Thank you Sebastian


Someone special in the air
User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15762 times:

Ok, maybe I understood you wrong, but it applies to the others that replied too  Smile. When you said "Is it real?", the only thing I could tell from that is that you were questioning its authenticity...

Sebastian



I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15746 times:

Some of you people just have NO idea about photography.

Baily gets amazing shots like this time adn time again. As amazing as this is, I'm not surprised, as he does great things like this all the time.

-Phil



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15742 times:

I knew there was a reduced vertical minimum separation but I thought there was still a horizontal separation requirement...

But if he's 1000' above the A340, there isn't a problem. Because he is maintaining the 1000' vert seperation between him and the 340, and the 340 is 1000' above the 747, there is no problem.



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15692 times:

Just a technical question:
As the photographer's A/C is flying in the same direction as the A340, shouldn't there be a 2000 feet separation?


User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 15624 times:

As the photographer's A/C is flying in the same direction as the A340, shouldn't there be a 2000 feet separation?

You almost stumped me  Smile. I had to think about that one for a minute, but yes there should be 2000' of vert seperation. But as people have said before, I think he has a long tele lens on his camera. I hope we can get a comment on here from the photographer, but being a 777 pilot, I'm sure he's quite busy.



Hey Obama, keep the change! I want my dollar back.
User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6927 posts, RR: 76
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15590 times:

He never said how high above the A340 he was...

Distance between him and the A340 > Distance between A343 and 747

So, yes, he can be 2000ft above the A343 (3000ft above the 747)

Mandala499



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User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15585 times:

Impossible, the photographer would have been about 200 yards behind the plane to shoot this,
Zoom lenses my friend.

plus , if you're on a plane you cannot look forward, only left and right.
As mentioned, there are cockpit windows. Also, there could have a been a situation where the plane that the person was taking the picture was perpendicular to the two other planes.

"before accusing him of forgery"

No one's accusing him of forgery.

You might no be, but this person is: "It's a fake!"

 Smile
-Will



"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15373 times:

yea,bailey takes some shockingly amazing shots


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15313 times:

Wow - this guy is pretty good with a camera.

My only concern is that I hope he is not forgetting to fly his own plane while taking these shots! I'd hate to think how close he must have been to that China Air A340 (although I have heard of 'zoom'!).



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineWietse From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 3809 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15087 times:

Just one thing:

 Laugh out loud to all of you who say its fake..



Wietse de Graaf
User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1295 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 14987 times:

Awww SafetyDude, do you really think it is a fake? I hope no one would be that low as posting fake images on this great site. Do you not think the screeners thoroughly reviewed this? Is it because you can't get shots like it? Can you explain a little more? I hope you are joking.
-Matt

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FAKE???
P.S. I remember a discussion about the second shot being fake as well, and everyone said it was real.



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25 FraT : WakeTurbulence, SafetyDude was just quoting another poster who cried out FAKE before thinking.
26 WakeTurbulence : Got it, so he was joking. I just wasn't completely sure, thanks for clearing that up. Sorry SafetyDude. -Matt
27 Sfilipowicz : Great photo! What is the RVSM rule?
28 Post contains images SafetyDude : Got it, so he was joking. I just wasn't completely sure, thanks for clearing that up. WakeTurbulence, see reply #27 by FraT: "WakeTurbulence, SafetyDu
29 Post contains images Wing : Well I am no photographer.I cant say if this is fake or true.But I can say welcome to RVSM airspace. Since the introduction of RVSM airspace views li
30 Post contains links LY4XELD : Sfilipowicz, RVSM= Reduced Vertical Separation Minimum try this for more info: http://www.ecacnav.com/rvsm/default.htm LY
31 CougarAviator : What a great shot!!!!! some people have all the luck.....
32 FlyMeToTheMoon : Give the man credit! This is an awesome picture that involves a keen eye, lots of luck and that little thing called perspective. This is how the scene
33 Post contains images Klaus : As far as I know, hand flying is even strongly discouraged in RVSM airspace because the autopilot can keep the altitude more precisely and reliably. S
34 Bongo : I believe it is real. And it is not one in a million image. In fact, 3 months ago, I was flying in an AF B747 CDG-MIA and around three hours before ar
35 Dash8tech : As far as I know, hand flying is even strongly discouraged in RVSM airspace because the autopilot can keep the altitude more precisely and reliably. S
36 Apuneger : Congratulations to Bailey for another great air-to-air shot. Would love to meet him once at AMS or so and have a nice chat. Ivan
37 Mconway : In RVSM airspace, 1000 ft vertical separation is required regardless of direction of flight. The three aircraft are stacked 1000 ft apart. On the Nort
38 Post contains images Wing : What a great shot!!!!! some people have all the luck..... And they have TCAS display infront of them
39 Kl911 : Okay, it's real, I didn't know the guy and it looked a bit..... unreal. Sorry. Question: Isn't the minimum separation only allowed for planes flying i
40 Post contains images GKirk : Of course its a real shot, Bailey is probably the single-most photographer on a.net that can come up with pics likes this (as well as TripleET etc) Th
41 Smcmac32msn : The three aircraft are stacked 1000 ft apart. There has to be 2000' of seperation between the 777(?) (I'm assuming, he could be jumpseating on another
42 Post contains images Mconway : The aircraft Bailey is flying is/could be 1000 ft above the 340 (flying in the same direction) which in turn is 1000 ft above the 747. This is perfect
43 Smcmac32msn : Isn't it any a/c heading in the same direction be seperated by 2000', so another aircraft can pass between them in the opposite direction? Such as the
44 Post contains images N754PR : IT IS NOT FAKE. CLOSE THE TOPIC....... or remove all of his pics
45 Post contains links and images 747-600X : Another quick comment on photography playing tricks with the eyes - This shot is not as remarkable physically as it is aesthetically. Not only are the
46 Post contains links and images N949WP : Another one where the telephoto effect makes two planes look closer than they are: View Large View MediumPhoto © Samuel Lo This one however, is n
47 Stall : Beautiful picture. Thank you for sharing it with all of us Bailey !
48 UA777222 : Great shot! Not only is it entertainment for the flight crew but it's great for guys like us in the back of the bus who wish they were at the front! T
49 Rotate : reading some of the above comments, I just can start to throw up my yesterdays evening meal ! incredibel how some people judge that picture, without h
50 MTChemNerd757 : Robin~ I agree. Sometimes, I think there should be an "unrespected users" list, too, haha. Regardless, pretty sweet picture. Wish I was in a place whe
51 Oly720man : Great photo. Why do people have to jump to the wrong conclusions knowing few of the facts? If it's an unusual view then it must be wrong. I know Sam C
52 Post contains images GKirk : However, how the hell did the A340 make it up to that height? Must have took 10 hours
53 Londoncenter : Speration standards in airspace require aircraft to be EITHER vertically OR horizontally seperated. In RVSM airspace the vertical is only 1000 feet. E
54 Post contains links and images Kalakaua : Bailey is quite a photographer... I enjoy them a lot. View Large View MediumPhoto © Konstantin von Wedelstaedt
55 AireuropeUK733 : What an absolutely fabulous picture - whether luck, good judgment or just knowing what settings to use on the camera Bailey must be given all the cred
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