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Aeropostal DC9-32 To SolAir/Aerohonduras!  
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2568 posts, RR: 31
Posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

Hey all, this is my first post in A.net! I've been reading the forums for more than a year but hadn't had the chance to join since there is a currency-exchange control in Venezuela and we cannot exchange our Bolivares into any kind of foreign currency thus I couldn't use my credit card to buy a subscription. We gotta thank Mr. Chavez for this f*cked up economic policy. Back to aviation...
A couple of days ago I was browsing pic in myaviation.net and I saw this pic. It's an Aeropostal DC9-32 with AeroHonduras titles. The pic was taken in CCS and the plane still has Venezuelan registration (YV-46C). I'm wondering in what routes will this plane be used... Anyone has an idea?


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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Welcome to A.net Luisde8cd


Since I will be flying in a couple of weeks with Aeropostal to CCS, and living in Central America, I'm interested in the topic.

Personally I don't so to much future to Aerohonduras, taking some experience from the past. Remember Tan, Sahsa, Aero Costa Rica... Those thiny airlines flying old wet leased aircrafts can hardly survive specially in Central America, where we have a duopoly (TA and CM).

I'm not a pesimistic person, but taking a brief look to the Central American aviation industry, I really don't see Aerohonduras for many years. Sad but true.

By the way, do you know their routes and web site?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

Personally I don't so to much future to Aerohonduras, taking some experience from the past. Remember Tan, Sahsa, Aero Costa Rica... Those thiny airlines flying old wet leased aircrafts can hardly survive specially in Central America, where we have a duopoly (TA and CM).


AeroHonduras is not a new airline. They were previously known as Sol Air, and have been succcessfully flying between Miami and Honduras since July 2002.



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Sorry pals.....


SolAir equals Aerohonduras.

Web page under construction. www.solair.com



User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2993 times:

"AeroHonduras is not a new airline. They were previously known as Sol Air, and have been succcessfully flying between Miami and Honduras since July 2002."

MAH4546


Your knowledge on Latin American aviation is well known at A.net, and respected. But, why a "succesfull" airline change it's name, it's livery, and use an old aircraft?

And... Was it (Solair) profitable???



User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32573 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2991 times:

But, why a "succesfull" airline change it's name, it's livery, and use an old aircraft?

The name change was because the airline's new owners - Aeropostal - wanted to change it. They didn't think Sol Air associated with the country of Honduras. They want to build up better name recognition. Also, using an old aircraft does not mean an airline isn't successful. Using an old aircraft is typically cheaper, and, if I am not mistaken, the DC9 was already owned by Aeropostal, so it didn't require any money to buy it.

And... Was it (Solair) profitable???

No idea. However, the fact that, two years later, they are still flying in the highly competitive Miami-Honduras market with good load factors sure isn't a bad thing.



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User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2991 times:

Small airlines in Central America, what about Tikal Jets they have been flying for many years know until this year where they have been expanding operations, hope they do well. I read in a newspaper of guatemala months ago, where they interview the CEO of the company. He said that they could start service to FLL and SJO, but not yet.
Hope they do well in the future. They are the official airline of Guatemala.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2568 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Nelson Ramiz (Aeropostal's CEO) got interested in SolAir, because SolAir and Aeropostal both wet-lease aircraft from Falcon Air to fly to Miami, since both Honduras and Venezuela aren't CAT 1, so they can't use venezuelan or honduran registered planes to fly to the U.S. I believe Aeropostal asumed both SolAir and Aeropostal leases and they rotate the planes as they wish. For example there is a trip report here in a.net by a user who flew domestic in Honduras with solair and the plane had aeropostal safety cards. They lease mostly 727-200s and some 737-300.

Aeropostal also wants to start Aeropostal "Alas de Centro America" based in SJO, seems like they wanna mess with TACA in their own turf. Will be interesting to see how that develops.


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2936 times:


AeroHonduras want to fly ex SAP to MGA, GUA, SJO and PTY. Nearly three weeks ago, there were giant ads in all Honduran newspapers screaming "we´ll grow threefold", with schedules and all. But the flights are simply not bookable.

I´m phoning them every couple of days, ´cause I´d like to book a flight with them, but they´re always postponing the start date of ops. Staff are very evasive and/or don´t know anything.
In short, they better start flying soon, or else they´ll have a big credibility problem.

They quote problems with licences and permits, which doesn´t really build up trust in their professionality.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5211 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

I'm not a pesimistic person, but taking a brief look to the Central American aviation industry, I really don't see Aerohonduras for many years. Sad but true.


Small airlines in Central America, what about Tikal Jets they have been flying for many years know until this year where they have been expanding operations, hope they do well.

Juanchito - Have you seen the new WU c/s! Strong rumors going on here that they'll get an extra Dc9 ex. AM! First WU picture is from 1993 so they've been with us many years! That also count!


Back to the topic - AeroHonduras has been with us since July 2002 at least they've been with us for 2 years. And there's no other airline in Honduras or besides CM & TA in the region! I do hope they get stronger and start flights to other destinations like MEX. There's still no link from Honduras to Mexico. Odd! That AeroHunduras/Aeropostal hybrid looks very nice!


Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

"Aeropostal also wants to start Aeropostal "Alas de Centro America" based in SJO, seems like they wanna mess with TACA in their own turf. Will be interesting to see how that develops."

Good luck "Alas de Centro America".


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

"AeroHonduras want to fly ex SAP to MGA, GUA, SJO and PTY. Nearly three weeks ago, there were giant ads in all Honduran newspapers screaming "we´ll grow threefold", with schedules and all. But the flights are simply not bookable.

I´m phoning them every couple of days, ´cause I´d like to book a flight with them, but they´re always postponing the start date of ops. Staff are very evasive and/or don´t know anything.
In short, they better start flying soon, or else they´ll have a big credibility problem.

They quote problems with licences and permits, which doesn´t really build up trust in their professionality."

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Definetly not a good start.

That's only one reasons to think as I stated in reply #1. Time will tell...


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

"Back to the topic - AeroHonduras has been with us since July 2002 at least they've been with us for 2 years. And there's no other airline in Honduras or besides CM & TA in the region! I do hope they get stronger and start flights to other destinations like MEX. There's still no link from Honduras to Mexico. Odd! That AeroHunduras/Aeropostal hybrid looks very nice! "

Ghost77

Are you referring to SolAir or AeroHonduras?

AeroHonduras don't even fly yet !!!!! (Please see reply No. 8)





User currently offlineLX23 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

hmm...yeah...i really see aeropostal's modern fleet of 20 year-old MD80s (or even older DC-9s) competing with TA's 320s or CM's 73NGs...  Insane it's just another pipe dream which won't amount to much in the end.
TACAA320 is probably right...AeroHonduras will disappear in a year or so...
btw, hope you know who had the first 320's in the region..  Big grin
saludos de un tico


User currently offlineKim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

No problem. If AeroHonduras does go away in a year or two, that DC9-32 will find a new home at Northwest.

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Saludos compatriota.

Hope I'm wrong but I also don't give a year to AeroHonduras. I'm NOT wishing "bad luck" to the formerly SolAir (now known as AeroHonduras), but as I said before, I'm realistic.

Let's them start, and will see......


User currently offlineLX23 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2821 times:

@Kim777
You think it's old enough??? Big grin


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

"No problem. If AeroHonduras does go away in a year or two, that DC9-32 will find a new home at Northwest."

------------------------------------------------------

That's definitely very funny...


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2787 times:

Does anybody knows when does Aerohunduras start doing business????????

And how do they pretend to fly so many destinations with only one DC-9???.

They need at least two more aircrafts.


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2568 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

I don't have a clue when they'll start ops. And I believe they'll get more DC9s from Aeropostal when Aeropostal gets more MD80s from Aeromexico. My guess is that they'll be replaced on a 1 by 1 basis. Also I have no idea how they intend to create Alas de Centro América... more DC9s? who knows...

User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5211 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Ghost77

Are you referring to SolAir or AeroHonduras?

AeroHonduras don't even fly yet !!!!! (Please see reply No. 8)


Hey TACAA320,

Yeap I was referring to AeroHonduras. As soon as they start I would love to see them @ MEX. There's still no carrier on this route!


I don't have a clue when they'll start ops. And I believe they'll get more DC9s from Aeropostal when Aeropostal gets more MD80s from Aeromexico.

Luisde8cd,

Less than two weeks ago another MD80 departed AM/MEX for Aeropostal. So far they should have 3. The first which is under maintenance in AM right now, the second one which should be flying and the 3rd one that flew a few weeks ago to CCS. I've heard strong rumors here in AM that they'll be getting 2 more MD80s in the short term!

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2568 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Less than two weeks ago another MD80 departed AM/MEX for Aeropostal. So far they should have 3. The first which is under maintenance in AM right now, the second one which should be flying and the 3rd one that flew a few weeks ago to CCS. I've heard strong rumors here in AM that they'll be getting 2 more MD80s in the short term!

Thanks for the update  Smile. By the way... I read some rumors in these forums a couple of months ago about Aeropostal getting a B752 from AM... any news on that? thx!


User currently offlineLX23 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

As I stated earlier...Alas de Centroamerica is just a pipe dream...IF (and that's a HUGE if) they manage to get started, they won't last very long, same as Aerohonduras.

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Ghost77

You stated in reply no. 9 " AeroHonduras has been with us since July 2002 at least they've been with us for 2 years " .

In my reply 12 I told you that AeroHonduras don't fly yet. How could it possibly be with us since July 2002? AeroHonduras until now (August 2004)has just one oldie DC9-32. And they didn't start operations yet nor even have a web page where to obtain information or book a flight with them (www.solair.com, and it's still under construction). Please a;so review reply 8 again.

What a great start AeroHonduras!!!!!


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2568 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

TACAA320, may I ask what is your point here? What I feel is that you are in someway making fun of AeroHonduras only because they don't have a website and only have a DC9? As an aviation enthusiast I see the start of this new airline as a positive news to the region. Finally Hondurans will have a carrier with their country name. I think your attitude towards AirHonduras isnt the right one. We as latin american brothers should help each other develop. You guys in Costa Rica have a GDP per capita 4 times higher than Honduras and that's why u have TACA with their relatively new A320s and Honduras AeroHonduras with a DC9.

As you know Latin American countries dont belong to the developed world, so things might not be as good as they are in EU, Japan, US, etc. So let's just give them some time while they manage to get their website online and wish them the best. Competition is always healthful for everyone!

[Edited 2004-08-13 15:49:02]

25 TACAA320 : "TACAA320, may I ask what is your point here? What I feel is that you are in someway making fun of AeroHonduras only because they don't have a website
26 Post contains images Luisde8cd : TACAA320 I never said u lied about telling the facts about AeroHonduras. In fact it was me who started this thread with the DC9 announcement. What I'm
27 TACAA320 : "And by the way... TACA is not a Costa Rican airline, it's a Honduran-Salvadorian-Nicaraguan-Guatemalan-and finally Costa Rican merger of airlines. I
28 Luisde8cd : Hehe won't get into legal stuff regarding ownership or any of that, I already made my point get across. Just wanted to point out that we need to coope
29 TACAA320 : "Just wanted to point out that we need to cooperate each other as latin americans, like for example Venezuela and Mexico have been doing since 1980 wi
30 Ghost77 : Thanks for the update . By the way... I read some rumors in these forums a couple of months ago about Aeropostal getting a B752 from AM... any news on
31 Post contains images LX23 : Luis: you're completely right!! Honduras' GDP is roughly 25% of that which Ticos enjoy... So how exactly can you explain a FEASIBLE airline in a count
32 Luisde8cd : And finally, yes, I completely agree with you that we should all work together for a better Latin America...funny how an antichavista is talking about
33 TACAA320 : "...LR had A320's before they joined Grupo Taca. As a matter of fact, I believe they were the first A320 operator in Latin America" ------------------
34 Post contains images LX23 : thanks TA320...wasn't absolutely sure, but that's what I remember...my point was that LR didn't need TA to get new airplanes
35 TACAA320 : Your more than welcome!!!!!!!!! /////////////////////////////////////////
36 Luisde8cd : Hey TACAA320, Do u have an update on those TACA Venezuela rumours? I heard that they might be interesting in starting a hub in CCS... would be great t
37 Post contains images TACAA320 : As long as I know they are more than rumours. They are already "working" on that. Nevertheless, these kind of things usually takes a long time. " Feel
38 LatinAviation : Sol Air was in deep financial shape when Aeropostal/Nelson Ramiz stepped in. I wouldn't refer to them as "successful" because they have been flying fo
39 Luisde8cd : But happy because will go to CCS in a few days Really?? good to have you here! will u be staying only in Caracas? You´re flying TACA SJO-CCS, right?
40 TACAA320 : Not exactly. Taca to MIA in an early flight, and VH to CCS at 8,40. Arriving close to 11 p.m.
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