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QF Hong Kong Flights - Load Factors?  
User currently offlineQantaspower From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 516 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Hi,

Does anybody know what the loads are like of QF's Hong Kong flights.

I have heard reprts that flights such as QF 187 and 188 which is the second Sydney to Hong Kong flight have very low loads.

Reports are that some flights are lucky to have 30 or 40 people on board.

How could they continue to run such a service?

What are the loads like from other capitals?

Thanks



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User currently offlineCXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

I've heard of the same story too. This is quite unimaginable given the summer high season there in HKG!!

But I guess the cargo business is doing exceptionally well. Indeed one classic "rumour" that I've been hearing all the time is CX manages to make handsome profits just by filling up the A330 cargo belly, with not even a single passenger onboard!!

So finally, could anybody confirm this? This fairy tale sounds too good to me frankly...



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User currently offlineBeno From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 428 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

There is alot of $$$ in cargo thats one of the reasons HKG was the first destination for the A333s.

Cargo is also one of the reasons QF are keeping the A332s on transcon SYD/MEL-PER services.


User currently offlineQF747 From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

Not sure about the load factors but, QF 763s are going to be replaced with QFA333s on the route. This should mean that they get more seat and cargo capacity as well.

Maybe they are trying CX's approach to the HKG flights



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User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

I have also heard several times in last couple of weeks that the LF for QF's flights between Hong Kong and Australia are often below 50%, and there was a piece of research work I saw somewhere suggested the CX is still doing a lot better than QF on these routes, although there are many factors could be seen as 'possible causes'.

Best Regards.


User currently offlineBeno From Australia, joined Aug 2002, 428 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2847 times:

Remember CX offers conections to Europe via HKG so that also helps fill planes.

Once QF start the LHR services via HKG as well as the skybed A333s operating on the route things should start to pick up towards the end of the year.


User currently offlineQantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5869 posts, RR: 39
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

i think it may also be more of a positioning flight so that Qantas can operate flights out of HK back to other Oz ports, the 2nd QF flight to HK ex sydney usually turns around and goes to Perth, this is also the same with the melbourne flight and Perth flight, though i did take QF from hk-per in april and the load was about 40 people!


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User currently offlineCXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Sounds like a case of overcapcity to me, at least from the pax business point of view.

Wait till VS and Dragonair (the next Hong Kong based carrier) enter HKG-SYD!! Competition will sure go ever more nasty  Pissed



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Yeah, but you can bet your arse that QF flights will then be running at high capacity like all the other flights to and from London.

I'm going via Hong Kong in March, can't wait... Singapore is so boring compared to Hong Kong, so I reckon QF will absolutely plunder the route!

Trent.



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User currently offlineERJ135 From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 688 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

I fly often between Sydney and Hong Kong and have never had such a low load flight as has been mentioned, That's not to say it doesn't happen but I've never come accross it.

QF's decision to increase capacity with A330's seem to indicate a need for more seats rather than an over supply.



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User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

One of the best selling point about A330 is that an airline could still earn profit even by flying the plane empty if they could get their belly filled up.

So obviously even if the load factor is indeed below 50%, they could still keep flying as long as they have that profit.

Interesting to note is that, in future all HONG KONG - AUSTRALIA and vice versa flights will be operated by Airbus with the exception of a 744 flight from Qantas and occassion CX744 ad hoc rosters.

CX A330/A340
KA A330
QF A330/B744
VS A340

[Edited 2004-08-13 10:27:25]

User currently offlineWingtip From Australia, joined Sep 2000, 52 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

CX 134/135 (HKG-MEL-HKG) will soon be operated by B744 on a daily basis.


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

What must be remembered yield per passenger is quite high on routes to HKG especially through SYD.

The economy cabin may be half empty. However the premium in J and F is frequently full. All too often a few days before a flight there are many people on J class waitlists.

The advent of flights to LHR throught London and the upgrading of services from 763 to A333 (in terms of product) wll only serve to enhance and boost the market throught HKG for both the Business J class market and VFR Y class market.

The entry of KA and VS onto the scene will have some impact on Y and J average yeilds.


User currently offlineVictor From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2556 times:

is that cx will add one more daily flight SYD flight this winter ?

cx-- 3 flights a day to syd
qf-- 2 flights a day to syd
vs-- soon to be 1 flight a day to syd
and also
ka-- will operate daily flight to syd next year
------
7 flights a day to SYD .. is that a little bit too much ?


User currently offlineSenliture From Australia, joined May 2000, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

Speaking as a person who live in Melbourne, I would choose CX than QF. First of all is about the price, usually QF is just about A$5 to $10 cheaper than CX during promotion period. Secondly is coz i am 100% sure that CX has better services than QF: while QF still use their old 767, they don't have PTVs. 9 hours flights without entertainment is a bit too boring, and I can't fall asleep in a plane anyway (but the only time that i fall asleep natually is on QF domestic, SYD-MEL heh). Oh yea, I still reckon CX's fligthcrew is more friendly then QF, maybe coz of my bad experience once so not really interested in trying QF again.

Had wanted to book QF for this Christmas time, but in the end i choose SQ, coz I wanna have a stopover in Singapore. Cheers!


User currently offlineAussie747 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

"Secondly is coz i am 100% sure that CX has better services than QF: while QF still use their old 767, they don't have PTVs. 9 hours flights without entertainment is a bit too boring"

QF only uses the A333 to HKG, complete with PTV Q entertainment system in economy and skybeds in J class.



User currently offlineCXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

QF only uses the A333 to HKG, complete with PTV Q entertainment system in economy and skybeds in J class.

Okay, just for argument's sake: CX actually offers more entertainment channels than QF on its PTV system!!  Big grin Nevertheless, I am giving the new Qantas international A333 a big happy "trial" next month, flying between PER and HKG.

Also that today I had a little chat with my travel agent who insisted that QF hires HKG-based crews on its flights, although I wasn't ready to agree with her...

So was she correct or I've just been mistaken?? Thanks  Smile



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User currently offlineOH-LGA From Denmark, joined Oct 1999, 1436 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2325 times:

Tell that to me when I was trying to fly SYD-HKG back in February... both flights were full and I had to go to CX to get out  Smile

Kai



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User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

CXoneWorld,

Qantas only has long haul bases in Sydney, Melbourne & Perth. Qantas has contract crew (employed by Adecco) in Auckland & Bangkok! I have seen some literature that they have some Japan based crew as well, however I am not sure about that???

Brisbane will open as a new long haul base either by year end or early next year & following that London will be the only other long haul base & that is scheduled to open (Qantas cabin crew UK) by July 2005. From what I have been told, the london based crew will do all the London to Sin/Bkk & Hkg flights, with Australian based crew making up the rest of their flights! Of course the BKK & AKL based crew also fly those routes as well!

As far as Hong Kong flights go I understand that loads with QF have been quite good on Syd & Mel sectors, with Perth flights increasing to 4 a week.

Cheers - BZF






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