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US Airways To Cut Nonstops To 20 Cities From PIT  
User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10082 times:

Cuts from Pittsburgh will include:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040812/dcth038_1.html

Akron-Canton, Ohio
Binghamton, N.Y.
Burlington, Vt.
Charlottesville, Va.
Columbia, S.C.
Elmira, N.Y.
Frankfurt
Grand Rapids, Mich.
Greenville-Spartanburg, S.C.
Ithaca, N.Y.
Lexington, Ky.
London (Gatwick)*
Lynchburg, Va.
Montreal
Ottawa
Portland, Maine
Roanoke, Va.
State College, Pa.
Tri Cities, Tenn.
Williamsport, Pa.



[Edited 2004-08-12 19:21:10]

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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9874 times:

To clarify, these destinations are being discontinued from PIT, not from the US Airways network.

Also, this is just the official announcement of what has been known for a little while already, thanks to our good friend freshlove1.



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User currently offlineSmcmac32msn From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9855 times:

Thats sad... Its slowly falling away... pretty soon, PIT won't have a US presence at it at all (at this rate). Will US continue flights from PHL and CLT to these cities, or is this it for them?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9775 times:

I'm extremely surprised (yet pleasantly amused) that they're discontinuing PIT-FRA.

LGW I can understand, but I never thought we'd see the end of the Bayer Express until we saw the end of US itself.


....wonder if they'll talk LH into coming in. Probably not with PHL that close though


User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1061 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9763 times:

The cities that say connecting with a YES next to them will still be served from either PHL or CLT and maybe both depending on the city. The only too that look like they will lose service all togeather are GRR and CAK.

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7737 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9739 times:

However if USAirways has the available slots, both Grand Rapids and Akron/Canton seem like they are both decent candidates for service from DCA/LGA/BOS. I guess we will need to wait and see if and when USAirways announced additional services from the above three focus cities or PHL/CLT.


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6417 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9731 times:

I'd be very surprised to see a European carrier enter the PIT market. At least US had some feed for the FRA/LGW flights out of PIT. The days of the big fortress hubs in medium sized metro areas are coming to an end it seems, with few exceptions (CVG for instance).


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9692 times:

The cities that say connecting with a YES next to them will still be served from either PHL or CLT and maybe both depending on the city. The only too that look like they will lose service all togeather are GRR and CAK.

I'm unsure about that. GRR currently has 1x PHL, and CAK currently has 1x CLT. It's possible that those services will go away entirely. It's also quite possible that US will increase frequencies in those markets, just not offering connections in the PIT-GRR/CAK markets (since the connecting points would be rather out of the way).



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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9593 times:

Another reason why US might keep service at CAK, that totally slipped my mind earlier:

PSA has a maintenance base there.



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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 788 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

Why would an airline have two of its biggest hubs within about 200 miles of each other in the first place? Just a basic question that I'm sure has been asked bazillions of times.

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9515 times:

>>Why would an airline have two of its biggest hubs within about 200 miles of each other.<<


Actually, it's more like 300 miles, but the point is taken...

You have to look at the history of USAir to understand why they ended up being so big at PIT and PHL.



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2380 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 9442 times:

PHL-GRR just began this week. I hope we don't lose that too. I'm betting we'll see 3x / day PHL-GRR (US Airways Express) and perhaps even CLT-GRR service....


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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9321 times:

A fairly surprising list, given the fact that none of the destinations cut are hubs of competing airlines, like the previous cuts. I was expecting cities like Cincinnati, Washington-Dulles, and maybe Detroit to get the ax.

Nevertheless, you have to realize that the feed which allows US to operate flights from Pittsburgh to cities like SEA, DEN, SFO, and IAH comes from destinations which have now been removed from the system. Cutting "trunk routes" like ROA, PWM, SCE, and the like might not seem like a very big deal, but this is all leading to a point where PIT will no longer be a US hub, and will only retain destinations like LAX, LGA, and MCO... a STL-east if you will.



Regards,

N-Dub



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9287 times:

While we all expected cut-backs at PIT, the most surprising news, in my opinion, is that US is dropping both the London and Frankfurt flights out of Pittsburg.......I thought that overseas flying was a niche where US was making some money. (Just about all of the other cutbacks are regional services, however, US has announced other mainline cuts at PIT in the past weeks.) Unless US adds flights to LGW and F R A from PHL or CLT, this is a major cutback in US's transatlantic services into those cities and cuts seats system wide.

At one time, didnt TW fly a PIT-LHR flight, and/or did BOAC ever fly the route? I too am curious as to whether any other carrier starts transatlantic service out of PIT in the future.


User currently offlineSpinzels From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9238 times:

At one time, didnt TW fly a PIT-LHR flight,

Yes, they did, they flew at least L1011s on this route.



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User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3011 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9226 times:

Don't think TW ever served the market nonstop, but BA certainly did.


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User currently offlineSD330PSU From United States of America, joined May 2004, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9177 times:

Actually in a previous business model the PIT and PHL hubs were both profitable and both needed. PIT was the focus-hub of the east coast trunk routes and PHL with its heavy O & D and the international growth. When US was operating at higher capacity both airports were needed. However, with the decline in short-distance east coast flying and the general erosion of planning and vision at US, the PIT hub was the sacrifical lamb. Its true that they needed to "thin" PIT out some, but to do what they are now, is a travesty. I don't really think US has an option currently to do anything at PIT differently, yet if Mr. Wolf, Gangwall, and Siegel would have had more vision and a desire to grow or "shape" US into profitability the good people at PIT may not be going through this now.

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9144 times:

I was expecting cities like Cincinnati, Washington-Dulles, and maybe Detroit

CVG is a Trans States J41 town. IAD is a Colgan SF3/BE1 town. US doesn't control those markets, the affiliate Express turboprop carriers do. That's what US refers to when it says "Additionally, further cuts are possible on the US Airways Express network since the independently-owned affiliate carriers still are finalizing their schedules." For whatever reason, US does well in DTW.

Unless US adds flights to LGW and F R A from PHL or CLT, this is a major cutback in US's transatlantic services into those cities and cuts seats system wide.

Rumors point to the return of the 2nd PHL-LGW and the return of BOS-FRA with the 2 widebodies that this frees up.



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User currently offlineKim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9128 times:

Those aren't just "cuts, " that's a bloodbath. It's also hard to see a LCC stepping in and filling some of those routes lost except for possibly B6, but only after they take delivery of some Embraers.

User currently offlinePitrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3040 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9106 times:

I am also surprised to see PIT-FRA go. I believe there is enough O&D traffic in PIT for one nonstop to Europe. British Airways served PIT daily for 15 years. A good portion of that 15 years was without any alliance with US Airways. Even though they don't serve the route anymore, I think it is more because of a shift towards global alliances and their hubs instead of a lack of demand in PIT.

Dutchjet - TWA did serve LHR before BA.

With Bayer, Siemens, and other german companies located in PIT, I think PIT-FRA would be a perfect route for the all business class Lufthansa/Privatjet A320s.




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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9077 times:

when its PIT-FRA is mostly for Bayer, so why not an A319LR direct to CGN or DUS. Its much nearer than FRA.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3763 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

With US cutting larger markets, i wonder why and how their switching CRW to 2 daily CRJ's and 2 erj's? up from 2 do 328's a dash 8 and 1 erj.

User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9038 times:

With US cutting larger markets, i wonder why and how their switching CRW to 2 daily CRJ's and 2 erj's? up from 2 do 328's a dash 8 and 1 erj.

The D328s are all being retired by September. Thus, many of their former routes are seeing equipment upgrades.



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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9024 times:

It's also hard to see a LCC stepping in and filling some of those routes lost except for possibly B6, but only after they take delivery of some Embraers.


Rephrase - very, very hard to see a LCC stepping in and filling the routes lost. I guarantee you that flights like PIT-LEX, PIT-ITH, and PIT-Williamsport have near zero O&D figures. The inverse of what I stated above is also true... just as the mainline flights need the feed from cities like Lynchburg and Roanoke, routes to cities like Lynchburg and Roanoke need the feed from other mainline destinations. Start cutting routes like these and you can cut a hub at PIT out of the picture as well.


CVG is a Trans States J41 town. IAD is a Colgan SF3/BE1 town. US doesn't control those markets, the affiliate Express turboprop carriers do.


Ahh, ok... thanks for the clarification. Let me rephrase... it wouldn't shock me to see the Express carriers cut CVG or IAD. I just threw DTW into the mix as US had a pattern of cutting PIT cities with existing nonstop competition, like MSP and MEM.


Regards,

N-Dub



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8937 times:

so why not an A319LR direct to CGN or DUS

One word... cargo


25 Post contains images Pgh234 : I have never heard anywhere that PIT-FRA is anything but profitable? Once again, US management shows that they have a brain Even if they decided even
26 Usairways85 : Why should US start BOS-FRA when LH already operates 1 or 2 daily flts on the route
27 JoFMO : Now in summer we even have three daily flights with LH. two times FRA with 340 and once MUC with 330. @ConcordBoy: why fright? It was always mentioned
28 MAH4546 : Rumors point to the return of the 2nd PHL-LGW and the return of BOS-FRA with the 2 widebodies that this frees up. I do not expect it to happen at all,
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : I'm still really surprised that US is cutting SCE-PIT. SCE is a unique market that traditionally US has dominated. There are a lot of local FF's (resi
30 N766UA : I thought they were dropping CLE?
31 SHUPirate1 : Just out of curiousity, could somebody come up with a listing of the cities that have so-far retained nonstop service out of PIT on US Airways?
32 A330323X : I'm still really surprised that US is cutting SCE-PIT. As I said when I found out about these cuts, SCE is the only domestic market to be cut that has
33 Ncflyer : Didn't USair lose it's monopoly in SCE once NW and DL moved in? I'm not really sure, but if I'm right that had to hurt. These cuts are painful for cen
34 Ncflyer : And by the way, a CLE drop was never announced in a press release, not that I ever saw or that was discussed on this board. But without a major hub in
35 N670UW : Just out of curiousity, could somebody come up with a listing of the cities that have so-far retained nonstop service out of PIT on US Airways? ABE, A
36 N670UW : And another question, when is the schedule updated to reflect these cuts. I expect timetables will be updated this weekend. 670
37 NWADC9 : "I'd be very surprised to see a European carrier enter the PIT market." We had British Airways untill the late 90's with 767's and 747's. Let's think
38 A330323X : And by the way, a CLE drop was never announced in a press release, not that I ever saw or that was discussed on this board. From today's press release
39 ERJ170 : Ohhh.. Myyy.. Goshhhh.. that is funny. PIT is simply going to turn into any regular Tier 2 airport. That's just the reality. PIT needs to go ahead and
40 PSU.DTW.SCE : I highly, highly doubt you'll see CLT-SCE. We aren't as big as ERI. ERI used to see mainline US equipment from PIT. SCE has never seen more than a Das
41 Ncflyer : I don't agree at all that PIT is too far east to be a good hub. I'll bet if you were to draw a population center of gravity of the US, it would be rig
42 Post contains links and images N670UW : The airport authority should be working on getting any additioonal airline acquired for any additional destinations. They already are. The ACAA is in
43 ERJ170 : No need to look.. somebody would correct me if I was wrong.. and you did.. so thank you.. I think it is an excellent idea for PIT to move ahead.. I am
44 KITH : Hey lay off ITH! Its sad to see an airport such as ITH go from four/five DC-9 flights to PIT to none. Yes, they will likely upgrade our service to all
45 Ithdca : Speaking of flights to ITH: I notice that the press release only mentions Piedmont stopping PIT-ITH. Does this mean (hope springs eternal) that PSA an
46 N670UW : I notice that the press release only mentions Piedmont stopping PIT-ITH. Does this mean (hope springs eternal) that PSA and/or Mesa will still operate
47 Jr : I flew a BA763 on the LGW-PIT route about 8 or so years back, when BA and US where still buddies. Never imagined those silver planes would turn to bla
48 WGW2707 : This cut is entirely PIT's fault for refusing to reduce the fees charged for US Airways. The PIT authorities made the choice to loose US Airways, and
49 N670UW : This cut is entirely PIT's fault for refusing to reduce the fees charged for US Airways. They didn't 'refuse.' US Airways told the ACAA throughout ban
50 Post contains links Newkai : There's a good article in the New York Times about how devastating cuts like these are to small airports like Ithaca (ITH): http://www.nytimes.com/200
51 Rwylie77 : What are they planning on doing with the planes currently serving these routes? Place them elsewhere on more profitable routes or cut costs and park/s
52 MAH4546 : What are they planning on doing with the planes currently serving these routes? Place them elsewhere on more profitable routes or cut costs and park/s
53 ERJ170 : Are they finally going to do a RDU-FLL route? and I'm still waiting on the RDU-TPA.. I could be waiting till Hell freeze over, but i have time.. and n
54 Pgh234 : Why is everyone whining about the ACAA keeping costs so high? Lets not forget that US Airways worked with Allegheny County in the early 90's to custom
55 MAH4546 : Are they finally going to do a RDU-FLL route? I don't think they will. They are going to concetrate on Northeast markets and namely markets were they
56 MasseyBrown : This isn't the end of the PIT cuts. At the end of the winter season, US will cut the warm weather vacation flights to O&D levels and eliminate their n
57 ERJ170 : To me.. sounds like USAirways is currently finished with RDU? Perhaps they will make the S only MCO flight daily? Upgrade the DCA flights to EMB170? T
58 A330323X : Are they finally going to do a RDU-FLL route? and I'm still waiting on the RDU-TPA. Perhaps they will make the S only MCO flight daily? I could see RD
59 ERJ170 : Ahh.. interesting.. thanks A330323X... I DO like the way you speak..
60 MAH4546 : Perhaps they will make the S only MCO flight daily? No. The only reason they run all those Saturday-only flights from Orlando is because they are plan
61 Post contains links A330323X : US will add 3x RJ on PHL-BGM and upgrade 1x prop to 1x RJ, for a total of 6x RJ and 1x prop. PIT-BGM previously received 2x RJ and 2x prop. http://www
62 MAH4546 : The Saturday RIC-TPA RJ service does very well, and it's a much smaller market. That flight has been pulled. 6 November is the last day.
63 Cbs5150 : PIT will turn into a ghost airport by next year. A few LCC's want the PIT market, but it's not profitable nor is it good hub location. No matter how m
64 Lfutia : Wow. by looking at that list and i was surprised that they still kept JST. the loads must be good to keep the route going i guess eh?
65 A330323X : Wow. by looking at that list and i was surprised that they still kept JST. the loads must be good to keep the route going i guess eh? As a matter of f
66 Scottb : JST and most of the small Pennsylvania/New York/West Virginia airports retaining prop service to PIT are subsidized by the federal government under th
67 Flaps : PIT is not a poor hub location. Far from it. From a geographic and feed standpoint it is an excellent location. Better than DTW, CLE, MSP, BWI, IAD an
68 SD330PSU : Awesome Reply "Flaps"! I think that is the most insight that anyone has given on this rather unfortunate situation.
69 Lfutia : thanks for your replies about JST. What makes it EAS by the way? I know that it is a college town. Hopefully US Airways will serve it from PHL or UA w
70 A330323X : thanks for your replies about JST. What makes it EAS by the way? I know that it is a college town. Hopefully US Airways will serve it from PHL or UA w
71 Freshlove1 : Colgan flys the JST-PIT route so it would be up to them to see if they could move it to another airport. It also has alot to do with how the EAS contr
72 Flack4ric : Watch for a seasonal reinstatement. As noted previously, the Saturday only RIC-TPA and RIC-MCO flights have carried very high loads, and yields are ge
73 MAH4546 : but close to 70% of the US population lies within 1.5 hours flying time from PIT. How? Texas, California, and Florida alone represent about 25% of Ame
74 Post contains links A330323X : In addition to the 3 additional PHL-BGM, looks like US is adding 3 more PHL-ITH as well. http://www.ithaca.edu/ithacan/articles/0408/26/news/1airport_
75 Post contains links A330323X : US will also add 3 frequencies on PHL-SCE for a total of 7x daily flights. 4 of the daily flights will be on RJs. SCE does not currently see RJ servic
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