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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9658 times:

Since we haven’t had one of these for a while.

Firm Orders:

Air France - 10
Emirates - 41 passenger, 2 freighters
Federal Express - 10 freighters
ILFC - 5 passenger and 5 freighters (two pax aircraft are bound for Emirates)
Korean - 5
Lufthansa - 15
Malaysian - 6
Qantas - 12
Qatar - 2
Singapore Airlines - 10
Virgin Atlantic - 6

MOUs:

Etihad - 4

Unconfirmed Orders:

Thai - 6
A significant unannounced Asian customer - ?

Jeremiah



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9530 times:

Is that all for on orders with A380 now? What airlines will result for next annoucement on their new A380?

User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9469 times:

Now tell me...What the heck is Emirates going to do with 41 all pax versions of
this Goliath?
Forty one planes can haul a lot of people. Note the route structure of Emirates vs the other carriers...Qantas, Lufthansa, Air France. Wouldn't you figure a much larger carrier would purchase 41 planes vs a smaller airline like Emirates?
Do I think different then the rest of you or do you ask the same question?

safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

139 orders down, 112 to go to profitability.

Emirates is planning a huge expansion, but 41 is a bit much. Expect to see A380 DXB-BAH Big grin.

Other possible orders:
CX
JL
NH
CA
CI
SA
GF
LY (rather unlikely, although probaly considering, they really should have it on TLV-JFK)
Anyone else?



The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9389 times:

I'm with you "Safe," at least EK won't have look far to find deserts to park their grounded big birds.

User currently offlineRabenschlag From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 1007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9361 times:

the A380 would be certainly of use for JL, NH, and LY, but there is some risk that political pressure will prevent those airlines from buying what they want.

if there only was free trade...





[Edited 2004-08-14 16:03:29]

User currently offlineAC From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2004, 77 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9324 times:

Other possible orders:
CX


possible but not in near future... CX now prefers to expand its fleet by ordering A330 and B777 and by acquiring used B744....



I Believe I Can Fly...
User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9306 times:

I'm with you "Safe," at least EK won't have look far to find deserts to park their grounded big birds.


Another idiot comment from someone who thinks that all airlines are bankrupt and contracting.

Guess what? Clue one: EK is profitable and expanding rapidly. Clue number two: their planes are flying with good loads. Clue three: the 'free fuel' bull is exactly that, bull.

40 A380s translates to ten longhaul routes covered at four aircraft each. Hardly a profile of a US legacy carrier with a lossmaking global and domestic network is it?

If anything their fleet plans and route development looks more like SQ (who aren't losing money either) with capacity for their biggest routes and flexibility for others.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9283 times:

What longhaul route currently flown by any airline worldwide requires coverage by 4 A380 size aircraft on a daily basis?

User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9239 times:

First, with regards to Emirates, these A380s could be used to allow them to become bigger players on the Europe (specifically UK) to Australia market. One flight in each direction would require something like 4 aircraft. A few flights from SYD, one from MEL, maybe others but I don't know if the other major cities would have passenger loads to justify an A380...anyway up to LHR, CDG, or FRA. This would account for a bit. I also understand that Emirates is getting significant amount of Europe - India travel, not to mention likely US - Europe travel as they increase traffic. Yes, some of these routes may be slow to develop, but if they have spaced out their delivery schedule, they could develop routes in time for new arrivals. Plus, no one says that they need to put 550 some seats on board. They could easily increase the number of business class seats to appeal to business travelers. The main thing that is shaping my opinion is that I can remember when people thought SQ was nuts for buying a ton of 744s many years ago given that they were such a small country (yes, I know that Singapore has about 4-5 million people in contrast to Dubai's nearly 1 million), yet SQ turned out quite well. Then again, Emirates could be over their head too, and the routes may not develop in time. There is always a lot of predictions and speculation on what the market will be like, and trying to be the first to meet what happens.

Enough of that. My other question regards the whole 250 or so mark that Airbus states is the break-even point for the A380. In order to break even, they must make enough profits to make up for about US$12 billion in R & D costs and the costs of making the facilities (I'll go with the common US$12 billion figure). However, at 250 aircraft, that is US$48 million per aircraft. That seems like a bit, especially when you consider how many launch orders are sold with such substantial discounts. This means that later aircraft need to make higher profits in order for 250 to be the break even point. Sorry, I don't mean to be criticizing Airbus or the A380, but the topic was about this aircraft. I feel the same way about the 7E7. Who knows how low of rates ANA is paying. Also, has anyone seen Boeing's estimate of the breakeven point for the 7E7? Thanks.


User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9204 times:

I am surprised British Airways have not ordered the A380. I wonder if they will do the whole waiting thing like they did with the A320. I mean they operated a few after taking over a British Caledonian order but it was years before they ordered any themselves.

When the first B741 was released how many orders did Boeing get? From what I remember reading a while ago, it was not that many... Sometimes it can take airlines a while to catch onto a good thing, for example the Boeing 757. For quite a few years the Boeing 757 was seen as the poor sister to the B767 and now look at her!

Anyways just my opinion (not making this into B vs A)

Kimb.


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9167 times:

I keep observing in these threads how airlines, particularly EK, are expanding based on the SQ model. This seems to me to beg the question: why hasn't SQ, the creator of the paradigm which already has a fully developed route system, ordered 43 A380s?

User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9136 times:

Leelaw,
Good question.  Smile


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9126 times:

Now tell me...What the heck is Emirates going to do with 41 all pax versions of this Goliath?
There was a great image of a model of DXB with what seemed to be an A380 terminal. Big grin

What longhaul route currently flown by any airline worldwide requires coverage by 4 A380 size aircraft on a daily basis?
QF LAX/LHR-SYD and SA LHR-CPT/JNB.

I am surprised British Airways have not ordered the A380.
I am not surprised at all. If they order it - and as many will tell you, that is a big if - it will not happen for a few years. My guess is that many loyal Asian 744 customers as well as BA will strongly push the 744 Advanced.

When the first B741 was released how many orders did Boeing get?
I believe that Pan Am was the launch customer with 25 orders. That was the largest launch order to date, until the ANA order of 50 7E7s.

why hasn't SQ, the creator of the paradigm which already has a fully developed route system, ordered 43 A380s?
I see no reason was to why they should. 10 A380s will be pretty good for their route system.

 Smile
-Will

EDIT: Fix the JNB airport code.

[Edited 2004-08-14 18:32:09]


"She Flew For What We Stand For"
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9108 times:

Maybe that's why QF sensibly ordered 12 aircraft.

User currently offlineKim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9054 times:

Welcome back from temporary exile Scotty!!  Smile

AFAIK, the order count stands at 129 according to latest Airliner World unless there was a new order announced at Farnborugh.

Hard to believe a little country like the UAE has an airline that has ordered 41 (!!!) of these behemoths. Can't believe there's THAT much O&D to/from Dubai.

What does THAT tell you about the importance of oil in today's marketplace??

 Nuts


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21478 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8909 times:

Leelaw: why hasn't SQ, the creator of the paradigm which already has a fully developed route system, ordered 43 A380s?

Because they´ve got a comparatively lousy hub location? Australia isn´t that great a location for covering anything else than traffic from and to Australia and New Zealand.

EK is in an excellent hub position: Between Europe, Africa and Asia, with America on the other side and still good access to Australia - it could hardly be any better if they tried!


User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1872 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8866 times:

Once again, for those who don't read or don't understand EKs development plans. (has been discussed at leasrt 10000 times....)
As Klaus said, they have a very interesting geographic position.
In addition to that , EK belongs to the royal family (but is profitable and not subsidized) and EK is a key player in the after oil planning strategy.
The vision of the royal family is to transform Dubai into both a kind of Singapore and an holiday resort.
You can see all the banks installed in DXB, the free zones, the internet village, etc...
You can see all the new and fabulous hotels, such as the Burj al Arab.
And the construction of the palm tree island is well advanced.
So, DXB is your next destinqtion for your business and your next holidays. (at least, it is the strategy)
And if you are still not convinced, they create events for you: Dubai shopping festival, summer festival, golf , tennis or rugby turnaments, ...
So, if everything works as per plans, the 41 planes will be very profitable. (10 to 15 could probably be full today !!!)
Teva



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User currently offlineMaddy From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8756 times:

DXB is just a HUB for EK and they TRY to attract the people to stay in Dubai with special stopover programs.

I believe that they can fill their A380´s by flying in the Europe-Africa-Australia-Asia circle and feeding them at DXB. When you look at today´s route map there is still room for growth.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13218 posts, RR: 77
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8714 times:

BA are not ordering anything right now, no cash, a young-ish fleet.
T5 and a better business environment may well change that, but not before T5 is established.

SAA will probably be next when you see the amount of 744s (with A340-200/600s too) at LHR daily, with all the slot restrictions.

Why do I think that if Boeing had built B747-500/600 an more to the point for EK, a -700, and EK had ordered a load of these, there would not be all this stuff about how they don't know what they are doing, it would be 'way to go EK' with positive comparisons against other, less friendly Arab states.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8696 times:

Now that we had fun with Emirates 41 big boys, where do you park, say 10 at one time during the "hubbing hour" and where do you put all that luggage from said fleet parking within say 20 minutes? .....Not to say where do you put 5000 people getting off 10 planes and 5000 getting on?
And WHITEHATTER...no one discussed bankruptcy. We know Emirates has a few bucks or they would not have made this investment so calm down will ya? There are a few of us out here in cyberspace with common sense and even a brain.
keep smilin....And thank you LEELAW...nuff said and nicely too.
safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9847 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8654 times:

With the current congestion at LHR I see BA ordering/leasing the A380, just like a lot of airlines operating to LHR will use their A380 for LHR flights. These airlines can't expand more at LHR, hence the A380. In BA's case, I think it has not much to do with competition that they must operate the A380, because of other airlines using it to LHR, but it has more to do with the congestion and no room for more expansion from LHR. BA will eventually need an aircraft the size of the A380 to overcome the congestion at LHR.

As for EK, I don't know much about their market, but what the others have said, makes sense. DXB is on its way to become a major (transfer) city between Europe and Asia (and maybe even Africa). Their geographical position is very good, so who knows what we can see in the future at DXB. What does surprise me is that more airlines from the United Arab Emirates are expanding rapidly, Etihad Airlines being the latest example. I do not know if all these airlines will be able to operate with full loads with such big aircraft fleets. But as I said, I do not know much about their market or future predictions.

Regarding Japan, I still don't know whether JL and/or NH will order the A380. The U.S. has a lot of influence in Japan. On the other hand Airbus is increasing its presence in Japan by working more closely with Japanese companies. China is also a country that may be able to fill a A380 sized aircraft if the growth predictions regarding the Chinese market will become a reality. So we must keep an eye on Japan and China as well.

A388


User currently offlineSquirrel83 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8619 times:

Hmm if you would like updated Numbers here is the link to Airbus Deliveries and ORders List ~ Need Microsoft Excel to veiw. . Its updated monthly . . it states 129 orders for the A380.

http://www.airbus.com/media/orders_n_deliveries.asp
http://www.airbus.com/doc/media/ordersndeliveries/orders_n_deliveries.xls


User currently offlineRuscoe From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1567 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8516 times:

The 380 is still severely restricted with the number of airports it can fly into or get out of. Any expansion by EK will have to be at 380 compatable airports plus a suitable diversionary airport. This is one of the reasons why airlines will still be interested in the 747advanced. There is a different economic climate now than when the 747 was introduced. Airport owners are more than ever asking "Who is going to pay?", so I think development at airports to accommodate the 380 will be slow. (I have been told that the 707 actually required more airport upgrade than the 747 did.)

Even in Australia, with Qantas ordering 12, some of the airports that will be used as diversions run the risk of FB ingestion, because they are not wide enough for the outer engines. They are safe, but could cause a lot of disruption and expense. I know that other airlines are saying they don't want to cop higher fees to cover 380 operations. If the whole cost is borne by the 380 operators then it will mitigate against some of the 15% of advantage which is left after weight increases are taken into account.

This is why EK's expansion plans worry me!

Ruscoe


User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8497 times:

The 380 is still severely restricted with the number of airports it can fly into or get out of.


The A380 can get into and out of any airport that can handle a 747. It fits into the 80m box which airports use to make allowances for large aircraft.

This has been discussed to death. The whole A380 concept was that it would not require major taxiway or runway construction. The only real issue is with terminal design and speed of loading/unloading where jetways are used.


25 Post contains images SafetyDude : Now that we had fun with Emirates 41 big boys, where do you park, say 10 at one time during the "hubbing hour" and where do you put all that luggage f
26 Ruscoe : Whether it has been discussed to death or not the 380 can not routinely operate into many if not most 747 compatable airports because of the runway an
27 Whitehatter : If it can routinely use 747 compatable airports why are airports like Heathrow, LA, Sydney (750 million),( Brisbane probably needs to spend 250 millio
28 A388 : The A380 initial goal is the congested/major hub airports around the world. These airports are investing in their airport stuctures to accomodate the
29 NWA742 : 139 orders down, 112 to go to profitability It's not at all that simple. It's 112 orders to go for profability at LIST PRICE. Airbus has sold most, if
30 Whitehatter : Airbus has sold most, if not all A380s at heavily reduced prices. Evidence?
31 Isitsafenow : Ok WHITEHATTER..Check this out. You stated some talk about an 80m box. You stated if you can fit a 747 in that box, an 380 can fit also. Right? NOW...
32 Wdleiser : Emirates is government owened, they pretty much have as much money as they want to spend.
33 Bill142 : Emirates is government owened, they pretty much have as much money as they want to spend. Yeah.. no it dosn't work like that. Many companies are gover
34 Ruscoe : Whitehatter, Please catch up. The 380 can use the same airport that a 777 can in terms of weight bearing per tyre, but not total weight on infrastruct
35 AZA330 : I would like to see BA flying the A380 on routes like London-New York where the only thing to do to increase the number of passengers is to have bigge
36 WGW2707 : Whitehatter, sorry to dissaspoint you but EK is subsidized up to the neck. That's why they unlike everyone else are not contracting. At least the oil
37 Post contains links Maddy : This is how it will look like in Dubai! http://www.airport-technology.com/projects/dubai/dubai1.html
38 Post contains images Solnabo : Maddy: That pic of DBX is georgeus, and I think Dubai will a MAJOR hub for flights to Americas and Asia with all longhoul a/c *my €500.000* Micke//S
39 Leelaw : I've learned an important lesson from this thread. I've actually flown to Dubai on EK four times since 1998 for business and to sport fish in the Pers
40 Post contains links Teva : WGW2707 Pls, read this and tell me where the subsidies are http://www.ekgroup.com/ANREP2004/index_pdf.html EK has received one time payment for the st
41 Scorpio : NWA742, It's 112 orders to go for profability at LIST PRICE. First time I ever hear this. None of the times Airbus have mentioned the 250 order thing
42 Post contains images SafetyDude : Airbus has sold most, if not all A380s at heavily reduced prices. Evidence? I do not think that a single commercial aircraft has ever been bought at l
43 Isitsafenow : Boy oh boy, I just cant see it. Just because the hometown carrier has 41 mega-jets and nice state-of-the-art airport, that does not put Dubai on my fa
44 FlyingDoctorWu : Emirates Current Fleet Size: B777-300 3 Class 16+42+320=378 x 12= 4536 B777-200 3 Class 16+49+236=301 x 5 = 1505 2 Class 49+304=353 x 4 = 1412 A340-50
45 Leelaw : Thanx for the nice calculation Dr. Wu, it's very illustrative. In past threads, the EK "True Believers" and A380 "chauvinists" have explained to the m
46 Kim777fan : Emirates has more than 10 times the capacity of Air New Zealand and I would rather visit New Zealand 10 times as much as I would Dubai. I know that Ne
47 WGW2707 : Kim777, the directors of Emirates agree with you. That's why they use DXB primarily as a connecting hub, and serve New Zealand from that hub, and from
48 GDB : Just because some from a notoriously insular and not well travelled (or informed) population would not want to visit Dubai, does not mean that a lot o
49 Leelaw : GDB: I'm from the U.S., I don't know if I'm "insular" (I think it's ironic that someone who lives on an island himself accuses others of being "insula
50 Post contains images GKirk : "What longhaul route currently flown by any airline worldwide requires coverage by 4 A380 size aircraft on a daily basis? " If BA ordered the A380, th
51 Na : Chris, you wrote on Emirates expansion: "Total Seat Capacity once orders fulfilled= 60651" Mathematically that seems right but you forgot that when al
52 Aerosol : I've come to this conclusion for some fundamentally sound reasons: NO GAMBLING; NO BOOZE; NO NAKED WOMEN! At least you can smoke there. By the way do
53 Jamesvf84 : GDB: couldn't agree with you more Leelaw: I've come to this conclusion for some fundamentally sound reasons: NO GAMBLING; NO BOOZE; NO NAKED WOMEN! So
54 FlyingDoctorWu : Mathematically that seems right but you forgot that when all these orders will be turned into real airplanes, most of the current fleet, especially th
55 Post contains images Leelaw : I can just see those EK ads now: "Fly Our Big Birds To Dubai, Shop 'Til You Drop, And Smoke To Your Heart's Content!" Gee JamesVf84 I would think some
56 Post contains images Jamesvf84 : Hi Leelaw Ok I did like the "Fly Our Big Birds To Dubai, Shop 'Til You Drop, And Smoke To Your Heart's Content" nice touch. However there is a slight
57 Leelaw : Hi Jamesvf84: Perhaps I would have made my point better by saying that hubris, whether it be on the part of a young upstart (Emirates) or an oldline b
58 Gigneil : Whitehatter, sorry to dissaspoint you but EK is subsidized up to the neck. Just because you repeat that doesn't make it true. He provided the Emirates
59 Caravelle : People don't put the competition down here officially, seems so many have been admished by mods for doing exactly that. But judging from contents here
60 WGW2707 : First of all, GDB, I do not appreciate that remark about my country. The average American is very well travelled. I myself have visited 20 countries i
61 Dc10guy : Look for an order from UPS. I'll bet they change some of there A300's orders to A380's.... Any takers ???
62 Post contains images SafetyDude : Look for an order from UPS. I'll bet they change some of there A300's orders to A380's.... Any takers ??? Some of their A300's... Sorry, I could not h
63 Dc10guy : AHH There is no 777F .... The A380 is going to make Fedex a bunch of money flying back and forth from China. UPS will want in on that action.
64 Post contains images Leelaw : WGW2707: Regarding your accounting analysis I offer a some of observations. When I began my professional life working as a CPA 22 years ago, Revenue w
65 BCAInfoSys : Actually DC10Guy, you're wrong. 777F conversion kits as well as the 772LRF are both in the works. Expect to see them both around the time that the 772
66 Newkai : "What the heck is Emirates going to do with 41 all pax versions of this Goliath?" Like we say in college about rich kids: "Daddy's Credit Card" Or in
67 Dc10guy : 777f conversion kits ??? Do the kits come in a big box ??? A 777-200 would carry the same as an MD11 why would UPS go to that expense ??? Because its
68 Post contains images Jamesvf84 : Hi Leelaw Regarding the A380Fs, I have heard that they will do a lot of flower shipping, do not laugh, I know it may sound bizarre but you should see
69 Rwylie77 : WGW2707: Yes I agree, some Americans are very well travelled (I am married to one and we live in the UK). However, still only 1 in 5 Americans hold a
70 RT514 : ...only 1 in 5 Americans hold a passport...in most European countries that average is nearer 80-90% Yes, the statement that "the average American is v
71 WGW2707 : Whoops Leelaw, you're right, slight typographical error on my part. I meant the income statement... Somewhat embarrassing error. The rest of the post
72 Isitsafenow : I still want to see 10 747-400 parked side by side, remove em, and replace with 10 A380's in THE SAME AREA. Someone in an above post seems to think it
73 GDB : Firstly, my jibe was aimed at the lame, often xenophobic, one or two line dismissals of both EK and the nation it is based in, that infect this site s
74 Post contains images SafetyDude : There is no 777F .... The A380 is going to make Fedex a bunch of money flying back and forth from China. UPS will want in on that action. UPS knows ab
75 Dc10guy : Whose 777's would UPS buy and use the "kits" on ??? I would guess they would want a fleet of 777's. Uniteds ??? That would cost as much or more then t
76 Post contains images Leelaw : Crossing my fingers that the trend towards Big, Bigger, Biggest doesn't result in Empty, Unprofitable, Bankrupt.
77 Post contains images RT514 : Perhaps someone could explain to me where in Europe you can fly a distance of 4,963 miles without leaving your country and not needing your passport.
78 Rabenschlag : here are some other schengen long-runs (quite realistic ones): OUL-FAO: 2359 mi ARN-TFN: 2687 mi HEL-FNC: 2678 mi
79 Knoxibus : First of all people, in the States, you can fly from New York to Honolulu without once needing a passport. Perhaps someone could explain to me where i
80 JoFMO : But Paris-Martinique or Paris-Reunion are not unrealistic relations. That are routes to far away islands, same as USA to Guam or Hawaii. Schengen-Coun
81 Gaut : IMO it's not a good thing for Airbus to have about 30% of its A380 orders in the hand of ONE customer.... SafetyDude, Next time try to be less arrogan
82 HlywdCatft : In a class financial project we did on the A380, Airbus needed more like 350 to break even.
83 Post contains images DfwRevolution : Whose 777's would UPS buy and use the "kits" on ??? I would guess they would want a fleet of 777's. Uniteds ??? That would cost as much or more then t
84 SimProgrammer : In a class financial project we did on the A380, Airbus needed more like 350 to break even. Unlikely, the figure will be around 250 units and that in
85 Leelaw : Sales success of A380 will ultimately depend on whether there really is demand for all the additional seats per day which will be coming online as del
86 RayChuang : I think the success of the A380 right now depends on how well the plane meets its fuel consumption targets. If they do meet the fuel consumption targe
87 Rabenschlag : another important function of the A380 was to end boeings monopoly in the large aircraft domain. this was an important strategic move, as the 747 was
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