Pouyazad From Iran, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 4043 times:
I read in the news that Iran's Economy Council has approved purchasing 22 MD-90s for Iranian airlines. Does anybody know where are these aircrafts coming from? And do you think it is a right decision?
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7374 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 3936 times:
Because of the stupid embargo imposed by the US to Iran, It sounds strange that Iran could buy some Md-90...
Iran Air is trying for many years now to find an agreement with Airbus to renew its fleet, but because of the American components of the planes, especially in the engines, the contract failed to be signed many times.
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 3909 times:
But as you are living in the 51st state of the U.S.A, I don't expect you to agree my point of vue...
No one's country who has replied so far would make a good "51st State". If you are going to try be stupid, at least make it funny.
Back to the topic of MD-90s, where Iran Air would be getting them from would depend on who currently has them. There are many MD-90s in Asia as well as with DL, but I have not heard anything about some MD-90s leaving a fleet.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 3900 times:
The aircraft wouldn't be new build because the MD90 is out of production. The only single source of twenty aircraft would be Saudi Arabian Airlines which has 27 in their fleet. The other major operators of this type have fewer than 20 planes. Haven't heard confirmation that DL or JL is dropping the type. Not sure what the source of 22 aircraft would be.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5813 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 3848 times:
Reno Air/AA had a handful of MD-90's. Are they still in the desert? It's too bad that a trade embargo exists for Iran. They've been trying to get Boeing to do several things such as upgrade their current fleet. But politics isn't friendly, unfortunately. Perhaps that can change if we get a new president.
Pouyazad From Iran, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 3821 times:
Everyday, I hear and read about Iran's purchases but I don't know which one is really reliable and which one is not. One day, they place order for Tu-204, the other day you see they show interest in F-50 and F100 and the day after, MD-90s are in centre of focus! What is clear is these decisions are only short-time remedies for Iran's sick aviation industry. Did you hear about Iran Air's two emergency landings in one day in Athens and Rome?
And my friend, you can say "stupid embargos" but let's not forget that stupid leaders cause them. I mean both Iranian and American leaders, Poor Iranian people in between.
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 3805 times:
Doesn't the embargo with the "axis of evil," as the US president so eloquently puts it (sarcasm), just prevents Boeing to sell Iran the products directly. However they can still obtain it through say a European financing company through lease or purchase. Although I do realize Boeing is no longer selling the model, but just throwing that out there so next week when the plane Iran Air wants is the 737-700 we have the basis covered.
It's a big building with patients, but that's not important right now.
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 3799 times:
Salam Pouyazad! Khobam?
I am at a loss with the Iranian order for the Tu-204s. Two years ago, they ordered 15 Tu-204s from Sirrocco Aerospace (with RR engines) with Libya. Anyway that's why I was surprised by this recent 'order' as it probably indicates the initial order was cancelled.
Deviating slightly, I've been on Iran Air's B741s, B742s and B74SPs and I think the aircraft are in excellent shape considering they've been flying for so long. The legroom in Y class is probably best around, but unfortunately IFE is lacking. The upper deck had a surpise too (email me and I'll tell you).
Has the new airport opened yet? Even though it officially opened last year, I read there were problems which delayed the starting of flights in/out of the airport.
Pouyazad From Iran, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 3747 times:
The new airport is not open yet. There are some problems between the Turkish operator and Iranian authorities although Iran's minister of intelligence has announce that the Turkish operator has no security problem (in relation with Israel and other stories!).
Yes F100s are still in service and a few ex-Korean are added to Iranian fleet.
I must say Ahlan va Sahlan va Marhaba bekom, if you wanna go to Iran, right?!
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7374 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 12 hours ago) and read 3727 times:
The Embargo concerns American products and "High Technology" goods, of course, but also products that contain a certain % of "American" components. That's why Airbus (and not only Boeing) can't sell directly new airplanes to Iran.
I hope the new "Imam Khomeiny" Airport will be able to open soon, though it will be a real mess for connections if they keep the domestic traffic out of Mehrabad airport as it was originally planned...
LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 3677 times:
The ex-Reno Air MD-90's are still sitting in the desert looking for a buyer as far as I know. Considering that the few MD-90's produced are still in airline services I don't know where anyone would be able to get 22 MD-90's.
A300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 3548 times:
I had initiated a post on this topic last week.
1) The MD90s are for Iran Air Tours (B9/IRB).
2) Like Pouyazad, I am confused who is buying what in Iran.
3) I am unclear how the planes are being transferred to Iran; they are under the very stupid, murderous and imperialist embargo.
3) Iran Air has 5 F100s in fleet. Iran Aseman (EP) has 10 (8 ex-KL, and 2 ex-Air Lib). One of the EP planes (EP-ASM) was on short lease to IR earlier this year.
4) F50s have been purchased by both Kish Air and Aram Air.
5) The Tu-204 purchase is confirmed. I am not sure if this planes are for IR or B9. They are with PS-90A engines. RR, under pressure from USA, will not sell their engines to Iran.
6) The Tunisian A320s were withdrawn because of the US pressure on Tunisia.
6) I have heard of the near disaster with the IR's A310-304 with emergency landings at ATH and FCO.
7) This one is for Amirs: Israel receives more US aid than Puerto Rico. PR is likely to become the 51st state at some point. El Al's biggest headache is to fly on Saturday or not. Meanwhile in Iran, we are at risk of getting killed from our own planes, Monday through Sunday. This is an intensely personal issue for me.
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9511 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 3458 times:
I still don't understand this embargo. If I read these posts correctly, Iran isn't allowed to operate any aircraft with U.S. manufactured components. However, I also know Iran Air operates both the A300-600R, A310-300 and A310-200, both of which are operated with U.S. build engines (General Electric). So, how come Iran is allowed to operate these aircraft while at the same time not allowed to operate any other aircraft using U.S. build components. The Airbuses Iran Air operates are also registered in Iran, so what's the story here?
JpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4330 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 hours ago) and read 3441 times:
"But as you are living in the 51st state of the U.S.A, I don't expect you to agree my point of vue...
No one's country who has replied so far would make a good "51st State". If you are going to try be stupid, at least make it funny. "
Israel maybe?? You have no clue as to the political message of this statement.
ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3351 times:
I doubt that Saudia's fleet of MD-90s would go to Iran Air, especially since Saudi Arabia is so influenced by the USA.
Where does IR get its spare parts then for the 310s? Under the stupid embargo on Iran (which obviously does not affect the Iranian government a bit and puts a toll on the country's citizens), are there any restrictions as to whether or not another airline sells it's own aircraft to IR?
Amirs, yet again you pull off with the 'as an Israeli' rebuttal like all other Israelis. If you have no issues with the 'arab embargo' which also has no effect on your country since you are compensated for it by aid which is more than that of all African countries' combined and don't see people dying off it as a direct result, then it does not mean that others who are much worse off should remain quiet.
Kim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3345 times:
Embargo or no embargo, it would be hard for Iran to find ANY aircraft built outside of Russia that doesn't have a significant portion of American parts.
The F-100 is probably no exception.
And regardless of where they are going, it will be sad to see the MD-90 fleet leave DL although I realize that DL just can't afford to operate just 16 of one ac type that has limited commonality to anything else in its fleet.
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16212 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3065 times:
I still don't understand this embargo. If I read these posts correctly, Iran isn't allowed to operate any aircraft with U.S. manufactured components. However, I also know Iran Air operates both the A300-600R, A310-300 and A310-200, both of which are operated with U.S. build engines (General Electric).
Good question. The A300-600's were acquired new from Airbus during a brief thawing in relations with the West -- the US approved this export of the new A300 to Iran. This embargo was clamped back on soon after. The 312/313 fleet was acquired 2nd hand, and I presume there is a loophole in technology exports to Iran that permits the export of used aircraft. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on the embargo could confirm this.
I also recall that Iran Air added the new F100 fleet (Dutch built, British engines) since it could be acquired without US approval. I understand this was also the basis for Iran Air interest in the RR 333 some time ago.
A related question -- did MEA choose the RR 332 to minimize US content? Ie, avoid PW/GE and possible sanctions?
That's why I call it a "stupid and useless" embargo : Only the Iranian people is suffering from this embargo...
Let's leave politics for the non-av column.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.