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MD-90 For Iran?  
User currently offlinePouyazad From Iran, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Hi,
I read in the news that Iran's Economy Council has approved purchasing 22 MD-90s for Iranian airlines. Does anybody know where are these aircrafts coming from? And do you think it is a right decision?

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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Because of the stupid embargo imposed by the US to Iran, It sounds strange that Iran could buy some Md-90...

Iran Air is trying for many years now to find an agreement with Airbus to renew its fleet, but because of the American components of the planes, especially in the engines, the contract failed to be signed many times.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

Stupid Embargo?
You obviously have no understanding of world affairs and politics.
I as an Israeli have a hard time excepting the Arab Embargo on Israel, but you wont find me calling it "stupid".


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

I confirm : "this STUPID and RIDICULOUS U.S embargo over Iran".
This embargo is stupid, useless, unjustified, unavailing, and hypocrite.

But as you are living in the 51st state of the U.S.A, I don't expect you to agree my point of vue...

Anyway, this is out of topic.

Considering the situation, it sounds impossible to me that Iran decides to buy any new Boeing airplanes at the moment.


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3984 times:

But as you are living in the 51st state of the U.S.A, I don't expect you to agree my point of vue...
No one's country who has replied so far would make a good "51st State". If you are going to try be stupid, at least make it funny.  Insane

Back to the topic of MD-90s, where Iran Air would be getting them from would depend on who currently has them. There are many MD-90s in Asia as well as with DL, but I have not heard anything about some MD-90s leaving a fleet.

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-Will



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

The aircraft wouldn't be new build because the MD90 is out of production. The only single source of twenty aircraft would be Saudi Arabian Airlines which has 27 in their fleet. The other major operators of this type have fewer than 20 planes. Haven't heard confirmation that DL or JL is dropping the type. Not sure what the source of 22 aircraft would be.

User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

Pouyazad,

Didn't Iran placed recently quite a big order of Tu-204 for Iran Air Tour and Kish Air to replace old Tu-154 ? Was the Tu-204 choosen precisely because no western built a/c were available for Iran ?


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5912 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3923 times:
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Reno Air/AA had a handful of MD-90's. Are they still in the desert? It's too bad that a trade embargo exists for Iran. They've been trying to get Boeing to do several things such as upgrade their current fleet. But politics isn't friendly, unfortunately. Perhaps that can change if we get a new president.

User currently offlinePouyazad From Iran, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

FLYSSC,
Everyday, I hear and read about Iran's purchases but I don't know which one is really reliable and which one is not. One day, they place order for Tu-204, the other day you see they show interest in F-50 and F100 and the day after, MD-90s are in centre of focus! What is clear is these decisions are only short-time remedies for Iran's sick aviation industry. Did you hear about Iran Air's two emergency landings in one day in Athens and Rome?
And my friend, you can say "stupid embargos" but let's not forget that stupid leaders cause them. I mean both Iranian and American leaders, Poor Iranian people in between.


User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Doesn't the embargo with the "axis of evil," as the US president so eloquently puts it (sarcasm), just prevents Boeing to sell Iran the products directly. However they can still obtain it through say a European financing company through lease or purchase. Although I do realize Boeing is no longer selling the model, but just throwing that out there so next week when the plane Iran Air wants is the 737-700 we have the basis covered.


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Salam Pouyazad! Khobam?

I am at a loss with the Iranian order for the Tu-204s. Two years ago, they ordered 15 Tu-204s from Sirrocco Aerospace (with RR engines) with Libya. Anyway that's why I was surprised by this recent 'order' as it probably indicates the initial order was cancelled.


Deviating slightly, I've been on Iran Air's B741s, B742s and B74SPs and I think the aircraft are in excellent shape considering they've been flying for so long. The legroom in Y class is probably best around, but unfortunately IFE is lacking. The upper deck had a surpise too (email me and I'll tell you).

Has the new airport opened yet? Even though it officially opened last year, I read there were problems which delayed the starting of flights in/out of the airport.


Horus




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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

I agree 100% Pouyazad ! That's why I call it a "stupid and useless" embargo : Only the Iranian people is suffering from this embargo...

Does Iran Air still operate the 5 F-100 ? what about the A320, leased from "Nouvelair Tunisia" ?

PS :I plan to come to Tehran in November for a few days... I haven't been there for more than a year now  Big grin


User currently offlinePouyazad From Iran, joined Sep 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Horus
The new airport is not open yet. There are some problems between the Turkish operator and Iranian authorities although Iran's minister of intelligence has announce that the Turkish operator has no security problem (in relation with Israel and other stories!).

FLYSSC
Yes F100s are still in service and a few ex-Korean are added to Iranian fleet.
I must say Ahlan va Sahlan va Marhaba bekom, if you wanna go to Iran, right?!


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

DeltaMIA,
The Embargo concerns American products and "High Technology" goods, of course, but also products that contain a certain % of "American" components. That's why Airbus (and not only Boeing) can't sell directly new airplanes to Iran.


Pouyazad,

I hope the new "Imam Khomeiny" Airport will be able to open soon, though it will be a real mess for connections if they keep the domestic traffic out of Mehrabad airport as it was originally planned...  Nuts


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Wedgetail:

The ex-Reno Air MD-90's are still sitting in the desert looking for a buyer as far as I know. Considering that the few MD-90's produced are still in airline services I don't know where anyone would be able to get 22 MD-90's.


User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3651 times:
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There are rumors of MU and CZ's M90's leaving the fleet in the not to distant future.The aim being to reduce fleet models.

MU & CZ operate 22 M90's between them.



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User currently offlineA300 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3623 times:
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Hi all,
I had initiated a post on this topic last week.
1) The MD90s are for Iran Air Tours (B9/IRB).
2) Like Pouyazad, I am confused who is buying what in Iran.
3) I am unclear how the planes are being transferred to Iran; they are under the very stupid, murderous and imperialist embargo.
3) Iran Air has 5 F100s in fleet. Iran Aseman (EP) has 10 (8 ex-KL, and 2 ex-Air Lib). One of the EP planes (EP-ASM) was on short lease to IR earlier this year.
4) F50s have been purchased by both Kish Air and Aram Air.
5) The Tu-204 purchase is confirmed. I am not sure if this planes are for IR or B9. They are with PS-90A engines. RR, under pressure from USA, will not sell their engines to Iran.
6) The Tunisian A320s were withdrawn because of the US pressure on Tunisia.
6) I have heard of the near disaster with the IR's A310-304 with emergency landings at ATH and FCO.
7) This one is for Amirs: Israel receives more US aid than Puerto Rico. PR is likely to become the 51st state at some point. El Al's biggest headache is to fly on Saturday or not. Meanwhile in Iran, we are at risk of getting killed from our own planes, Monday through Sunday. This is an intensely personal issue for me.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9855 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3533 times:

I still don't understand this embargo. If I read these posts correctly, Iran isn't allowed to operate any aircraft with U.S. manufactured components. However, I also know Iran Air operates both the A300-600R, A310-300 and A310-200, both of which are operated with U.S. build engines (General Electric). So, how come Iran is allowed to operate these aircraft while at the same time not allowed to operate any other aircraft using U.S. build components. The Airbuses Iran Air operates are also registered in Iran, so what's the story here?

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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3516 times:

"But as you are living in the 51st state of the U.S.A, I don't expect you to agree my point of vue...
No one's country who has replied so far would make a good "51st State". If you are going to try be stupid, at least make it funny. "

SafetyDude,

Israel maybe?? You have no clue as to the political message of this statement.



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

I doubt that Saudia's fleet of MD-90s would go to Iran Air, especially since Saudi Arabia is so influenced by the USA.

Where does IR get its spare parts then for the 310s? Under the stupid embargo on Iran (which obviously does not affect the Iranian government a bit and puts a toll on the country's citizens), are there any restrictions as to whether or not another airline sells it's own aircraft to IR?

Amirs, yet again you pull off with the 'as an Israeli' rebuttal like all other Israelis. If you have no issues with the 'arab embargo' which also has no effect on your country since you are compensated for it by aid which is more than that of all African countries' combined and don't see people dying off it as a direct result, then it does not mean that others who are much worse off should remain quiet.


User currently offlineKim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Embargo or no embargo, it would be hard for Iran to find ANY aircraft built outside of Russia that doesn't have a significant portion of American parts.

The F-100 is probably no exception.

And regardless of where they are going, it will be sad to see the MD-90 fleet leave DL although I realize that DL just can't afford to operate just 16 of one ac type that has limited commonality to anything else in its fleet.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

FLYSSC, since when did you become from Lebanon?


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

I still don't understand this embargo. If I read these posts correctly, Iran isn't allowed to operate any aircraft with U.S. manufactured components. However, I also know Iran Air operates both the A300-600R, A310-300 and A310-200, both of which are operated with U.S. build engines (General Electric).

Good question. The A300-600's were acquired new from Airbus during a brief thawing in relations with the West -- the US approved this export of the new A300 to Iran. This embargo was clamped back on soon after. The 312/313 fleet was acquired 2nd hand, and I presume there is a loophole in technology exports to Iran that permits the export of used aircraft. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable on the embargo could confirm this.

I also recall that Iran Air added the new F100 fleet (Dutch built, British engines) since it could be acquired without US approval. I understand this was also the basis for Iran Air interest in the RR 333 some time ago.

A related question -- did MEA choose the RR 332 to minimize US content? Ie, avoid PW/GE and possible sanctions?

That's why I call it a "stupid and useless" embargo : Only the Iranian people is suffering from this embargo...

Let's leave politics for the non-av column.






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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

A related question -- did MEA choose the RR 332 to minimize US content? Ie, avoid PW/GE and possible sanctions?

There are no sanctions on Lebanon.

And they choose the RR Trent 772Bs because they perform better than the PW/GEs and to maintain some commonality with the IAE V2533-A5 turbofans on the A321 which mostly have RR parts than PW.



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16285 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3111 times:

Thanks BA. I thought there had been partial US sanctions on MEA which precipitated a RR 332 order. Thanks for confirming the opposite.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
25 Yak42 : Parts based on components of Boeing or GE/PW equipment are made in China for Iranian based aircraft. I dont know why Iran is so slow to buy new Russia
26 Yyz717 : I dont know why Iran is so slow to buy new Russian products. They cant be that bad. Even the Russians arent buying new Russian aircraft, at least not
27 A300 : The two A300-605R's acquired by IR in 1994 (EP-IBA and IBB) were allowed by the Americans as a compensation for their shoot down of the IR A300B2-203
28 FLYSSC : Yyz717, The B737-200s have recently been retired from service, ( as have the last B727-100s ). They are stored at Iran Air's maintenance base at Mehra
29 Yyz717 : Thanks FLYSSC. I knew the 722 fleet was still flying. I assumed the 732 fleet was also.
30 Dl021 : If the MD-90's were sold/leased to Iran how would they maintain the things? Would it not be difficult for them to arrange for maintenance and spares u
31 Post contains images UnitedTristar : Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there a large fleet of MD90's in China. China could easily sell those aircraft to Iran. The focus of airlines these
32 A300 : I doubt that the Chinese would brake the embargo and risk the anger of their largest export market. While I agree that politics should be kept out of
33 QIguy24 : I must say that I got a little shock when I landed in CPH last weekend. Iran Air was there with one of their Boeing 747. And I actually started to won
34 Yyz717 : And I actually started to wonder why they operate US built aircrafts when they hate the US. I didn't know much about Iran Air's fleet. Iran Air's rema
35 QIguy24 : Ahhh. That makes more sense. Thanks for the infoYyz717.
36 A300 : QIguy24, The Iranians don not hate the US. It is mostly Western propaganda that there is any hatred. Nevertheless, we hate the actions of the US gover
37 FLYSSC : Today, most of the 34 a/c operated by IR were acquired prior to 1979. The Airbus A300 were introduced and flown on regional routes in 1978. At that ti
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