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Rumor: Delta Fires All Flight Attendants On Leave  
User currently offlineNwfltattendant From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 6 months 11 hours ago) and read 9951 times:

I heard a rumor that DL fired all the FAs that took voluntary 1,2, and 5 year leaves. IF YOU CAN CLARIFY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, PLEASE POST !

[Edited 2004-08-16 08:12:10]

29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAirframeAS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

I dont think that would be legal, IMO... If DL did really do this, the union would go berserk probably.

They would need to have very, very good grounds for termination. Now if the voluntary UNPAID leaves of absence were 'offered' to the F/As, then it would be illegal termination, but if a F/A took an leave of absence on their own with management approval, then that would probably be different.

But in reality, I dont think DL has fired anyone so its got to be a stupid rumor to get the DL employees and unions on the edge. BTW, sources helps alot too.


User currently offlineLaxintl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 9699 times:

I do not believe DL's flight attendants are unionized. However have not heard of any such mass terminations.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 9702 times:

I thought the DL F/As were unioned along with pilots and mechanics. But the rampers and CSAs are not.....

User currently offlineLono From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

F/A's at DL are not unionized

Only Pilots and dispatchers are unionized


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 6 months 10 hours ago) and read 9681 times:

Airframe-Hate to say this one to you (and all of the non-union people at DL) but the only unionized groups at Delta are the pilots and the dispatchers...

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (11 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 9424 times:

FWIW, all the Delta VLA packages only carry a conditional reinstatement clause. There will be no guaranteed return to active duty at the end of the leave period - that is conditional upon there being spare jobs at the time. Seniority doesn't mean squat.

User currently offlineDalmd88 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (11 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 9214 times:

I know a couple of mechanics that took the five year leaves. I doubt they will be able to come back if they want to.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 9137 times:

What sense would it make to just terminate all FA's on leave? If there are no positions to come back to, then they don't come back. It wouldn't accomplish anything, only make for more anxiety among the employees.

User currently offlineGeg2rap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 6 months ago) and read 8903 times:

i really hope they didn't fire the ones on military leave....would sure end my days of flying delta....
probably meant the ones on leave for other reasons.


User currently offlineBobnwa From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 8762 times:

Did you really hear this rumor or are you the originator?? Give us the details please.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8445 times:

This is obviously an unfounded rumor. Perhaps this thread should be closed?

User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

Delta's flight attendants are not unionized. There was a drive in 2002 to organize, and it was rebuffed with a 73% nay vote. So only the pilots and dispatchers are union.

As far as the voluntary leaves offered after 9/11, the way they work are, if you took a 1 year leave, Delta will try and offer you re-instatement after that 1 year. If the opportunity is not available, then you are furloughed, and recall rights will go into effect for 5 years. You will also have recall right before any other voluntary leave workers.

If you took a 3 year leave, Delta will try and offer you re-instatement after 3 years. If the opportunity is not available, then you are furloughed, and recall rights will go into effect for 5 years. You will have recall rights before the workers who took the 5 year leave, and so on.

So any flight attendants that took the one year leave and could not be recalled are furloughed and awaiting the recall, but I believe most of them have come back already.


User currently offlineBruno From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

If this is true, that's just one more reason why I will never fly Delta again.
I will pay a higher price to avoid flying Delta.


User currently offlineN328KF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6403 times:

Why is it that some people always assume that it's bad that some employees are not unionized? Sheesh. Unions aren't for everyone.

User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

DL's F/A's are not members of a union....They voted it out for some reason, and now the company is screwing them...no one can do anything about it now....

User currently offlineN839mh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6250 times:

S12PPL....The DL f/a's were never unionized so they never voted one "in" not "out."

Pretty quick on assuming this "rumor" is truth to say the company is screwing them.

supposedly the "general public" unveiling of the "purged Delta" will take place next Thursday, the 26th.


User currently offlineReltney From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5701 times:

I haven't been to work in a few days(pilot) to catch up on rumors but I have a Delta F/A girlfriend and she never heard the rumor. (it is a good one)


It is stated in previous messages there are just 2 unions at Delta and that is correct.

Funny thing. My sister in law is a Southwest pilot and she said Southwest is the most unionized airline out there but I think it is AA or UAL. My AApilot brother says it is UAL....Anybody know?

Cheers


User currently offlineNwfltattendant From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5578 times:

Again, this is a rumor, its not solid, which is why im throwing it out there to see what the a.net community knows. I have never insinuated that this it fact, nor have I denied it. My intention is not to start malicious crap, but just get the truth from those who have it

User currently offlineLono From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

Isn't the time frame for these recalls already past...???
Did DL offer LOA's again after the 1995 re-structuring..???


User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

she said Southwest is the most unionized airline out there but I think it is AA or UAL.

She's right...last I read on this website, WN is the most unionized carrier, in terms of the percentage of total employees belonging to a union, not the actual # of different unions on the property.

UA and AA are a very close 2nd, I'm sure.


User currently offlineL-188 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5456 times:

really hope they didn't fire the ones on military leave....would sure end my days of flying delta

Well at least there are federal protections that they can attempt to go through. Firing National Guardsmen and Reservists on recall to active duty can get you some very serious sanctions.

I think that prohibition from federal contracts being one of them.


User currently offlineSkyhawk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5335 times:

To my knowledge there have been none and will be none fired. If things change and I get any knowledge via my husband(he works as LGA now) or a friend of ours that works out of MCO, I will be sure to let all know.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

Nwfltattendant -

It might be a rumor, but did you check ANY other sources before posting it? Did you check usvaviation, or even the Yahoo boards? At least do a little homework before posting a rumor that you can substantiate in ANY way.

How would you like it if this title said NWA instead of DL?

I still suggest this thread be deleted.


User currently offlineBucky707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

I have not heard this rumor. I did hear a while back that no one will be coming back off leave for a while. So even if you took a one year leave, and that year is up, you are not coming back yet. I also seem to remember they were told that was a possibility when they took the leaves, but not sure.

25 OttoPylit : Yes Bucky, that is correct. When the leaves were offered, there was a lot of people jumping to get at them. Take a leave, but still get flight benefit
26 AirframeAS : Since there are no sources provided, I agree that the thread should be deleted.....
27 Aa767400 : I work for AA, And I to have heard this rumor. I always wondered whether it was true or not. Why is it such a big deal for someone to post a so called
28 Cvgbear : It would depend on the language of the agreements the F/A's signed. i.e. If a F/A agreed to a one year unpaid leave of absence then at the end of that
29 Milesrich : If Delta wants to terminate the Flight Attendants on leave, they can, and there is no grounds to sue. They will be eligible for 26 weeks of unemployme
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