Aeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2957 posts, RR: 30 Posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6159 times:
Obviously I missed this news. When did they order 8 A340-600s??? I thought the A345 was bought instead. But now when I looked on A340.net, I saw that Emirates has 8 on order. So when did this happen?
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Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8320 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 5974 times:
probably at the same time the order for the A345's and the A388's was placed. Not to sure exactly. What I can tell you is that they are HGW's which as far as I know Airbus is still working on it.
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4934 posts, RR: 47 Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 5755 times:
They indeed have orders for 18 A340-600s. The deal was announced at the paris airshow last year. On top of that they are leasing two additional planes from ILFC, for a fleet of 20.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 5474 times:
Whats a A346HGW?
Because the 777-300ER performed so well, the current A346 is at a disadvantage in terms of payload and range. The A346 also suffers from a heavier than expected OEW, which compounds this issue. The A346HGW uses lighter structures in some places and is ceritified to carry a greater payload and fuel, which Airbus hopes will even it with the 773ER or possibly leap-frog it.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 5396 times:
Perhaps someone can explain why EK needs both the A346 and 773ER in their fleet? What's the logic of having two types of similar capability designed to do the same missions?
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 5377 times:
The A340-600HGW was announced before the 777-300ER's improved performance. Airbus was always planning on extending the range of this frame.
Perhaps someone can explain why EK needs both the A346 and 773ER in their fleet? What's the logic of having two types of similar capability designed to do the same missions?
They need more planes than either manufacturer can deliver alone on the timeframe required.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 5315 times:
I'm not so sure about Airbus delivering the A346, but Boeing couldn't deliver as many 773ER's as EK needed? The ramp at Everett is kinda like a ghost-town these days, capacity wouldn't seem to be an issue?
ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 5287 times:
Complete with the factor on EK of new A346. It still need to more aircraft into the fleet with EK. Will even need to get more new routes out of DXB or AKL? It will make for longer range to JFK on their new A346.
SafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 16 Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5214 times:
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5154 times:
Scorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4934 posts, RR: 47 Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5109 times:
Speaking of the A340-600HGW, this week's Flight International mentions that some of the planes in the recent Virgin Atlantic order will be taken as the HGW version. Virgin says the first batch of around five aircraft will be the standard -600, while the others will be -600HGWs.
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5059 times:
Since increased performance is achieved primarily through lighter internal structures it would not seem feasible/cost effective to convert the earlier version to the higher standard.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5035 times:
If capacity isn't an issue then why couldn't timely delivery be achieved?
Because the capacity Emirates wanted within the timeframe (from order) that they wanted them could not be realistically achieved from the 777 family-only when taking the entire market into consideration.
I.e., why ramp a multiple 777 lines for the express purpose of filling a factory-order for EK, only to have the line run dry in a matter of months due to overproduction relative to market/backorder demand?
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4980 times:
Since increased performance is achieved primarily through lighter internal structures it would not seem feasible/cost effective to convert the earlier version to the higher standard.
This isn't quite accurate. The HGW will feature lighter structures, but the most gain will of course come from uprated engines.
The 346 has a fair amount of tankage that can't be used with the current structural certification.
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25 Leelaw: "...why ramp a multiple 777 lines for the express purpose of filling a factory-order for EK, only to have the line run dry in a matter of months due t
26 ConcordeBoy: To make a $3-3.5 Billion sale As opposed to the cost of adding an additional line to a family assembly that was already in the plannings for relocatio
27 Bill142: but you can never recover a lost sale. *cough*SQ A343*cough* (not sure on the truth behind that tho)
28 Leelaw: "As opposed to the cost of adding an additional line to a family assembly that was already in the plannings for relocation to a different/smaller faci
29 Sabena 690: Virgin says the first batch of around five aircraft will be the standard -600, while the others will be -600HGWs. With the A340-600HGW apparently havi
30 Eg777er: Well, it may have better performance, but does this equate to improved economics over standard length legs? Virgin operate their A346s on routes such
31 KL808: HGW doesnt just mean extra range, it could also equate to extra payload. VS might not need the range, but they can use the extra payload. Therefore or
32 SafetyDude: Virgin operate their A346s on routes such as [...] LHR-EWR Really? NYC gets every type of VS aircraft, even the 742s when they were still around. -Wil
33 The Coachman: You can bet on EK flying the new birds to SYD when they get them. The first city to get the A340-500 has a really high demand for seats on the daily f
34 Hamlet69: "it's relatively easy to adjust production tempo up or down for an in-production aircraft" No, it's not. To ramp-up production, one needs to inform su
35 Leelaw: Hamlet69: The key word I used was relatively. All this chatter started when I asked why EK needed two aircraft, 773ER and A346 (30 and 20 a/c ordered
36 Scorpio: Sabena 690, With the A340-600HGW apparently having a better performance, why has VS chosen to get the normal A346 for the first 5 frames? Probably bec
37 Hamlet69: Leelaw, I see. I understand your question perfectly, and now I see where the confusion started. ". . .with the same capabilities, designed to do the s
38 Gigneil: I think it might be a bit premature to speculate if the -300ER is more capable than the -600HGW, unless you have numbers that I don't. N
39 Hamlet69: Gigneil, Unfortunately, Airbus has not confirmed the exact performance specs of the -600HGW as of yet. However, I can give you what I have: MTOW will
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