CXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11505 times:
Hong Kong's Cathay Pacific Airways has disciplined the flight crew of a B744 passenger flight following an allegedly "sporty'' approach to HKG.
Angelique Tam, the airline's manager of corporate communications, confirmed the news that the captain and first officer on CX 904 (29 July) had ignored the advice of air traffic controllers and consequently led the aircraft to make a 60-degree turn just 500 feet above the choppy waters in order to land safely on the Runway 07L. Reportedly that the aircraft's ground proximity warning system (GPWS) was not activated during the incident
``There was no danger to passengers. We take all necessary action to maintain our high standards of flying.'' Tam added.
Nevertheless, the Civil Aviation Department in Hong Kong confirmed that it had launched an investigation into the incident together with the airline.
Elcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9698 times:
I know that in commercial operation you are told to make smooth manuevers to the conform of passenger, but I beleive that making an steep turn with 60 degrees bank wont compromise the safety of the pax, so what is the big deal,
I am wondering what will happen if they (pilot) make side slip aproach...that will be fun .....
Propatriamori From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9444 times:
I was on that flight, seat 82A upper deck...
It was a very choppy approach, and the first time I've ever felt like I was going to get sick on a plane. When we broke out of the clouds, it was noticable to me that we were way below normal glideslope, and we did make a large turn (maybe 40 degree?) about 500 feet above the water, and maintained that altitude until landing at Hong Kong. It did cause me a bit of concern, as it felt like we were outside the normal approach procedures.
There were only 4 other pax on the upper deck, so I don't know if anyone else even noticed.
Funny thing is, I remember the captain announcing in Manila that the First Officer would be handling the flying portion of the duties for that flight, and after landing I remember thinking that maybe the FO had made a mistake on approach.
SevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9443 times:
Personally that sounds like the kind of approach I would have enjoyed! .
I believe that they article is saying that they made a 60 degree turn i.e. from heading 010'-070' to intercept the correct approach to 07L and not that they initiated a 60 degree banked turn - now that would have been interesting at 500 ASL!!!
If they were indeed avoiding adverse weather then the manouver sounds fair enough. I can't quite figure out what they were doing so low - I guess they lost a lot of height performing the turn, but obviously some other individuals are less keen on this kind of flying.
Njoizflyin From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8741 times:
It does not sound like there was any real danger involved, just very different from a normal maneuver. Five hundred feet is a bit low, but depending on what kind of flyer you are it would be a scary thing or an exciting one. Let's try not to whine about it too much though.
SevenHeavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7500 times:
To clarify there is nothing to say that the aircraft excecuted a 60 degree banked maneuver. It made a 60 degree turn which is a completely different thing. The degree of bank was in all likelyhood perfectly acceptable so there would be no cause for any kind of bank angle warning to sound
Propatriamori From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7437 times:
From my recollection, the bank angle was dramatic, but I'm not sure it was quite 60 degrees. Eyewitnesses and memory being somewhat less than perfect, I could not venture a guess. Being a few feet behind the cockpit door, I do recall hearing some kind of loud annunciation, again, can't remember what.
We were very low and a long way from the runway, in fact quite a lot of throttle was applied to get the plane higher in altitude and back on glideslope.
500 feet from the ocean banking that hard was certainly exciting.
A sixty degree change of heading is more likely judging by the bearing I saw from my window to a powerplant-like structure off on the far shore.
CXCPA From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 387 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7140 times:
The most terrible point is that Cathay said it is safe.
Indeed, it is dangerous action!
Even at Kai Tak, it is not neccesary to make a 60 degree turn at so low altitude!
And the interesting point is whether they use ILS approach or visual approach. If they use ILS approach, this kind of events should not happen, if they use visual approach, why they use visual approach?